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[quote=Ruhskins;664695]So in this scenario, what would you give Denver to get Kuper? He's an RFA, and will likely be tendered by McD.[/quote]

Supposedly McDaniels won't retain him/tender him, because he wants bigger OLineman.

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We don't need no stinkin linemen !!!!!! :)

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[quote=CultBrennan59;664744]Supposedly McDaniels won't retain him/tender him, because he wants bigger OLineman.[/quote]

[URL="http://www.denverpost.com/search/ci_14314460"]From the Denver Post[/URL]'s Mike Klis.

[quote]I believe Kuper will be back. Yes, McDaniels wants to strengthen his offensive interior line. And yes, Kuper, as a right guard, is an interior lineman who was drafted by the Broncos in 2006 as a prototype zone blocker. But Kuper is too young, too talented, too competitive, and even as a restricted free agent, too inexpensive to let go. Chris Kupers are simply too difficult to find to let go.[/quote]

Any marquee RFA is extremely likely to be tendered or signed to a new contract by their team. This is why I criticize the QB-first camp, as much as Shanny can build an offensive line, he's going to have to do it with older and less talented players.

[quote=budw38;664747]We don't need no stinkin linemen !!!!!! :)[/quote]

Nice!

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[quote=Ruhskins;664748][URL="http://www.denverpost.com/search/ci_14314460"]From the Denver Post[/URL]'s Mike Klis.



Any marquee RFA is extremely likely to be tendered or signed to a new contract by their team. This is why I criticize the QB-first camp, as much as Shanny can build an offensive line, he's going to have to do it with older and less talented players.



Nice![/quote]
Good morning . I would love for the Skins to sign 2 OL in F/A , and draft two more .... then we would have a shot at contending for the playoffs , I wouldn't bet my next paycheck on that .... but we can always hope for the best !

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With a limited FA pool this year I think a lot of teams are going to hold on to their own guys even if they aren't an ideal fit.

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Well if we can't get Kuper than lets get Chester Pitts from Houston, he's 31 and knows Shannys offense (Kyles) as well as Kubiaks which is pretty much shanny's offense.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;664752]Well if we can't get Kuper than lets get Chester Pitts from Houston, he's 31 and knows Shannys offense (Kyles) as well as Kubiaks which is pretty much shanny's offense.[/quote]

Ok, then, what do you do at LT and RT? Someone capable is going to need to protect your boy Bradford's blindside, otherwise he'll be seeing Dr. Andrews again.

I must say, I like Pitts. Haven't heard anything about the Texans trying to keep him.

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[quote=Ruhskins;664754]Ok, then, what do you do at LT and RT? Someone capable is going to need to protect your boy Bradford's blindside, otherwise he'll be seeing Dr. Andrews again.

I must say, I like Pitts. Haven't heard anything about the Texans trying to keep him.[/quote]

It's possible that the Texans will franchise him.

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Given Shanny's past, maybe we'll trade for Cleveland's entire OL. Problem solved. :)

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I think the very best lineman who will be available to sign in free agency will be Ben Hamilton, and while he will probably end up here in some capacity, he's a below average player, not dissimilar from Dockery.

Really the two best players on our OL are STILL Samuels and Thomas. That's the part I think we have to change this offseason. Thomas, I think, will be the RG next year, but I don't think we can count on him to not get hurt, and I think Samuels will ultimately decide to retire.

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[quote=GMScud;664349]Pack mentality? Nah. Maybe it's be the fact that he gets used like a rag doll against better competition, specifically 3-4 nose guards? Or the fact that he can't call out protections to save his life? Yeah, that's why I think he's a bum. Nothing to do with the internet.[/quote]



name the nose guards...

let somebody tee off on you unabated 40-50 times in three hours in stupidly contrived offenses that feature dinks and dunks ..

He was a part of the line that made the playoffs twice before the Zorn disater.. The Center has more responsibilities than covering for third string guards..and guys that the Rams passed over..

I've seen him struggle at times..and you certainly have your right to your opinion..all I hear about Casey is his professionalism..and work ethic .. he is no bum...

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The Skins WILL draft a LT with thier first pick, for the simple reason that they have to.
Yes, have to.
They NEED an all-pro caliber LT to be successful,
they don't have one,
and there are no realistic FA's who fit that definition.
No other options.
It sucks to spend a #4 overall pick on a lineman, but you just have to bite the bullet, and you'll be glad you did, every sunday for 10 years.

Best LT with 1st pick, and either Pouncey or Iupati in the 2nd.

Next year, take QB (Locker/Mallett)in the 1st, OL in the 2nd.

Just get young tough athletic lineman and let them gel over time.

BTW, next season is gonna be a mess, we'll be drafting top 5 again.

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2nd Round-Charles Brown-USC-OT
3rd Round-Jared Velheer-Hillsdale-OT/OG(Trade to get a pick)
4th Round-Matt Tennant-BC-C/OG

Resign Levi Jones

Our 2010 offensive line
LT Charles Brown/Jared Velheer
LG Dockery
C Tennant
RG Rinehart/Montgomery
RT Velheer/Levi Jones

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I have a Velheer analysis that I am going to be putting together when I can rent game tape of both Grand Valley-Hillsdale games from this year for "coursework", but I'll just say that I'm not all that impressed with watching him live. He's a dominant lineman in division 2, but he looked very slow against some of the better D-II pass rushers (GVSU's line).

Considering that the best pass rushers at this level make up the bottom of the barrel at the professional level, I think his best chance to make it might be on the inside. Not all that dissimilar from Chad Rinehart. I don't really have a good concept of his build or projection as an interior lineman though. So maybe that's not realistic.

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;664664]Sorry, I cannot let this one go by...
Heyer is not "servicable to good". Heyer is like your emergency 3rd string QB. When he has to go into the game in the second quarter, the s*hit has already hit the fan and you are downwind.[/quote]

Without the hyperbole, why isn't Heyer serviceable?
He played hurt last year but played better then the un-injured Levi Jones who some would consider serviceable.
Also, if you recall the 2009 after Samuels was hurt Heyer stepped in at LT and played well.


[quote]Edwin Williams did not "play good" at guard. He did not soil himself; he did not embarrass his family. Other than that, you would have to look really hard to come up with positive statements about his play on the line.[/quote]

Again i ask you why? How would you describe Edwin Williams play at RG?
OL play is hard to evaluate.
Not hearing a players name is a good thing and when Edwin played RG his named wasn't mentioned for negatives.
And you have to remember Edwin was an UDFA playing out of postion

What was negative about Edwin Williams play?

[quote]Rinehart has never - - as in not ever - - done anything on a Sunday in Washington that would distinguish him from an off-duty piano mover in a Redskins' uniform. MAYBE he will blossom into an offensive guard someday; maybe he will go back to his home and take up needlepoint for a living. So far, the performance on the field in real NFL games on Sundays tends to make me think about the "needlepoint option".[/quote]

These are cool sounding phrases and such but what specifically did he do on the field to support your opinion? The stats support that both Edwin Williams and Rinehart were 2 bright spot on our OL.


[quote]If the Redskins OL for 2010 has E. Williams, Rinehart and Heyer as starters, maybe we need to sign Barry Sanders to play QB - - because the QB will be running for his life for much of the season...[/quote]

Its like you weren't even reading my post.
We can't in one offseason realistically upgrade every position on the OL.
And the interior OL began playing well once the rotating door stopped.
There are players from last year that are going to play on the OL this year.
We don't know what Edwin and Rinehart are going to become but they are the youth on this team that show some promise.
Personally i don't think you were paying close attention to which players were playing well on the OL, you just know that as unit they were bad and you're ready to damn them all.
While i would love to have an all-pro OL it takes time to build one especially when our OL has be neglected for a decade.




Instead of simply sharpshooting why don't you tell us how you would realistically approach improving the OL with and without using thr 4th pick on an OL?