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[quote=The Goat;670338]Rabach's smallish size is already a bit of a liability facing the nasty d-lines in the NFC East...putting him at guard is downright scary so I can't imagine we paid him to do anything but play center. That said Mawae would have been an enormous upgrade so I'm kind of surprised we "rushed" to lock up Rabach.

I think Shanny has to be very focused on the oline (obviously) beyond just acquiring younger, legitimate players. In Denver he didn't face conference rivals w/ d-lines like we see so he could get away w/ smallish, quicker linemen for the zone-blocking. Smallish guys, no matter how talented, will probably get destroyed facing our rivals 6 games each year. I think he needs the best of the best type of trench troops, extremely agile large guys to make his scheme work now. That cries out youth like I don't know what. This is why I was worried about Clifton coming here. We need serious talent in this group. Btw I think Shanny/Allen know this and probably don't expect to sign our LT/RT starters in FA. Just my hunch...[/quote]

I was hopefull for Clifton because as far as I can tell we only have two starting quality lineman at the moment. I am not panicked but I am nervous...

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[quote=30gut;670334]I never thought Levi Jones was playing well last year.
And the stats from pro football prospectus list him as the second worst OT in the league last year.

Imo, OT and specifically Levi Jones were the biggests weak spot on the team.

I don't know why Jones gets a pass from some people yet Heyer gets bashed although he played most of the season injured and still finished the season with better stats then Jones.[/quote]

That's what I was thinking too.

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[quote=The Goat;670338]Rabach's smallish size is already a bit of a liability facing the nasty d-lines in the NFC East...putting him at guard is downright scary so I can't imagine we paid him to do anything but play center. That said Mawae would have been an enormous upgrade so I'm kind of surprised we "rushed" to lock up Rabach.

I think Shanny has to be very focused on the oline (obviously) beyond just acquiring younger, legitimate players. In Denver he didn't face conference rivals w/ d-lines like we see so he could get away w/ smallish, quicker linemen for the zone-blocking. Smallish guys, no matter how talented, will probably get destroyed facing our rivals 6 games each year. I think he needs the best of the best type of trench troops, extremely agile large guys to make his scheme work now. That cries out youth like I don't know what. This is why I was worried about Clifton coming here. We need serious talent in this group. Btw I think Shanny/Allen know this and probably don't expect to sign our LT/RT starters in FA. Just my hunch...[/quote]

I think Denver had a winning record against the NFC East....and big guys tire more easily when they're a mile high above sea level(I think anyway)

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I'm kinda glad we didn't pick up Clifton, I think we need to get our LT of the future in the draft, and nothing would make me happier than having Okung be that LT of the future. I do hope we pick up Pashos, he'd be a huge upgrade over Heyer at RT.

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[quote=Ruhskins;670349]I'm kinda glad we didn't pick up Clifton, I think we need to get our LT of the future in the draft, and nothing would make me happier than having Okung be that LT of the future. I do hope we pick up Pashos, he'd be a huge upgrade over Heyer at RT.[/quote]

Yeah, we need a guy that we're fairly confident will hold up for us.

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[quote=Ruhskins;670349]I'm kinda glad we didn't pick up Clifton, I think we need to get our LT of the future in the draft, and nothing would make me happier than having Okung be that LT of the future. I do hope we pick up Pashos, he'd be a huge upgrade over Heyer at RT.[/quote]

Agreed.

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;670340]I was hopefull for Clifton because as far as I can tell we only have two starting quality lineman at the moment. I am not panicked but I am nervous...[/quote]

My sentiments exactly...

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If we can get a few rookies or younger folks growing and learning together it'll be like a real group of lineman. Like the Hogs or any succesful group that grows, matures and progresses together. Shanahan has a much longer leash than Zorn had. He has time to think about the future. Zorn had no chance to win with an old team that wasn't ever really his in any way. Okung and more Oline.

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Drafting Okung would give us an OLine of LT Okung, LG Dockery, C Rabach, RG Williams and RT Levi Jones. Heyer, and Reinhart as backups. I'd like to bring back Jansen (though I think I'm the only one) and another serviceable FA backup (Hank Fraley or David Bass). This would allow us to draft another lineman or two in rounds 4-7.

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[quote=Ruhskins;670349]I'm kinda glad we didn't pick up Clifton, I think we need to get our LT of the future in the draft, and nothing would make me happier than having Okung be that LT of the future. I do hope we pick up Pashos, he'd be a huge upgrade over Heyer at RT.[/quote]

I'm glad we didn't get Clifton, and for that matter I'd be ok if no free agents are signed other than rookie undrafted ones (I do hope Pierce comes back but it isn't likely). I know that might not be practical, but at the same time, this looks like at least a moderate rebuilding effort and they've got to get young bodies in to compete.

Edwin Williams may pan out as a diamond in the rough, but the fact that Rabach was re-signed could mean they have confidence in him to develop, or it could mean that they'll just rely on CR for a year or 2 till they can draft a center. E. Williams was undrafted, they'll have to find more guys like that this year.

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[url=http://www.nfl.com/freeagency#players-tab-set-1:players-grid-container-position/players-list-links-position:pos-ol]NFL Events: Free Agency[/url]

Here is a list of FA O-linemen

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What is the tender on Marcus McNeil?

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E. Williams was cut wasn't he?

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;670430]E. Williams was cut wasn't he?[/quote]

Eddie Williams the Fullback was I think Edwin Williams the OL is still on the team.

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Yep you're right. got confused :)

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[quote=rypper11;670425]Drafting Okung would give us an OLine of LT Okung, LG Dockery, C Rabach, RG Williams and RT Levi Jones. Heyer, and Reinhart as backups. I'd like to bring back Jansen (though I think I'm the only one) and another serviceable FA backup (Hank Fraley or David Bass). This would allow us to draft another lineman or two in rounds 4-7.[/quote]

Jansen's staying in Detroit

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[quote=Redskin Warrior;670429]What is the tender on Marcus McNeil?[/quote]

1st and 3rd, he ain't going anywhere.

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After reading this I am pretty happy that Clifton left town. Congrats to him for getting paid.

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I am happy they signed Hicks and Pashos, but i think theey should resign Levi Jones. From what I can see he is the best LT out there.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;670592]I am happy they signed Hicks and Pashos, but i think theey should resign Levi Jones. From what I can see he is the best LT out there.[/quote]

Pashos isn't signed, at least not yet

still visiting cleveland

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[quote=T.O.Killa;670592]I am happy they signed Hicks and Pashos, but i think theey should resign Levi Jones. From what I can see he is the best LT out there.[/quote]

I agree.. Levi wouldn't be the answer but he's depth and at least a fill in starter.. I've got the strong sense that Okung will be the pick only if they have to because Bradford is gone and they can't move down..

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[quote=tryfuhl;670593]Pashos isn't signed, at least not yet

still visiting cleveland[/quote]
Here is my link. I hope your wrong.
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just found another.
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[quote=T.O.Killa;670599]just found another.
[URL="http://www.thehogs.net/washington-redskins/transactions.php"]Washington Redskins Transactions[/URL][/quote]

Nice work Killa!

Who is buying Super Bowl tix?! ;-)

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[quote=T.O.Killa;670597]Here is my link. I hope your wrong.
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It's pretty universally sourced that Pashos isn't a Redskin, and is headed to Cleveland right now.

If he's heading to Cleveland, he's not a Redskin. He's not on assignment.

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[quote=Paintrain;670596]I agree.. Levi wouldn't be the answer but he's depth and at least a fill in starter.. I've got the strong sense that Okung will be the pick only if they have to because Bradford is gone and they can't move down..[/quote]
Hey, I am starting to think that if they dont get Bradford they will take Clausen. I am also thinking they may try to trade up with the Rams. I am not sure how, but here are some players I think that are tradable. Cooley, Carter, and Campbell. They all would help the Rams get better. And of course draft picks.

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[quote=GTripp0012;670605]It's pretty universally sourced that Pashos isn't a Redskin, and is headed to Cleveland right now.

If he's heading to Cleveland, he's not a Redskin. He's not on assignment.[/quote]

Hey Pash! We can call you Pash right? Of course, we pay you! I forgot to get Holmgren his gift basket out for Christmas, mind making a stop in Cleveland on the way back home to pack? Thanks PashyPoo, seeya on the 15th!

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Hey guys we haven't really signed a solid LT, maybe we're drafting one.

Just for you guys freaking out.

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Oh no. No Pashos.
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[quote=T.O.Killa;670622]Oh no. No Pashos.
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Umm yeah I tried telling you that awhile back.. it's been on the board for hours.

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We went from being super aggressive to letting people go freely...

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Don't worry, something is telling me he is flying to Cleveland to ratchet that contract up about 250k a year from the skins.

Our line will suddenly look formidable with the additions of Pashos, Okung and Asamoah. Now I just hope we can get a real #1 receiver that JC can toss to. Every day it looks more and more like we will fix LT and the other guard position in the draft, and JC will be our QB of the future. maybe with a line and a real #1 pass catcher, he can flourish. Here's to hoping!!!

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[quote=CultBrennan59;670650]We went from being super aggressive to letting people go freely...[/quote]

I think this is in BA's wheelhouse. He wasn't brought here to overspend.

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I think I see what they're doing here if they sign Pashos. We'll draft a LT at No. 4 and have a heavy zone blocking o-line. Okung(for sake of argument) dockery, Rabach (loneexception to the heavy line) artis hicks and pashos. Yeah they're slow but at least they're slow together...and are mashers for damn-sake.

mash right, mash left, mash in the middle, pass, and win.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;670650]We went from being super aggressive to letting people go freely...[/quote]

Maybe the money wasn't right? Maybe we're waiting to see what happens in the draft before deciding who we might want to start? What if Pashos says, "I like the offer, but I want to start" or something? Not fair to guarantee that.

Maybe we go in and get an Okung or Campbell and there we have our answer, then we can sign someone for depth or be happy with what we have at tackle at the moment. Maybe we don't go T 1st round and do it 2nd round with a guy we think can start. Maybe someone else goes T and ends up cutting a decent guy that might start otherwise allowing us to pick him up?

I'm not going to get too upset about us passing over 2 or 3 30-some year old tackles when more will enter the picture in the coming months.

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[quote=tryfuhl;670670]Maybe the money wasn't right? Maybe we're waiting to see what happens in the draft before deciding who we might want to start? What if Pashos says, "I like the offer, but I want to start" or something? Not fair to guarantee that.

Maybe we go in and get an Okung or Campbell and there we have our answer, then we can sign someone for depth or be happy with what we have at tackle at the moment. Maybe we don't go T 1st round and do it 2nd round with a guy we think can start. Maybe someone else goes T and ends up cutting a decent guy that might start otherwise allowing us to pick him up?

[B]I'm not going to get too upset about us passing over 2 or 3 30-some year old tackles when more will enter the picture in the coming months.[/B][/quote]

Bingo.

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I think we'd rather have jimmy clausen then bradford..way better prospect....I know sorry wrong board I know. But yes pashos would be nice to have, we also should address the OL in the 2nd round assuming we go QB in the first...which we should and will b/c the QB draft for next year looks miserable. Not much talent until the USC QB comes out....i'm assuming we won't have a top 5 pick next year so LOCKER is out of the question.

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people need to learn....to WIN in the NFL you need to do 3 things.

1. have a high level QB.
2. protect your high level QB.
3. get to the other teams QB.

plain and simple

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My biggest regret about this offseason? The board slowed down. That's it. The rest of my regrets won't start until it's clear that we've ignored things, if we do.