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[quote=SolidSnake84;687414]I honestly dont know if staying out of camp is good or bad for him at this point.

I mean i know why he wouldnt want to be there, and i dont blame him, but if he ends up staying here, that could really factor against him because you know how Shanahan likes active participation. It wouldn't surprise me if Jason is #3 because Shanahan didn't like that Jason wasn't very involved.[/quote]

uhhh, shanahan approves of jason staying away. he might have even been the one who suggested campbell stay away: 1) he doesn't want campbell getting hurt and eliminating whatever trade value campbell has left. 2) his presence would be awkward for the team. donovan is the teams leader now and campbells presence would only be a distraction.

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[quote=SmootSmack;687367]Mark Rypien is Canadian, but he never went to the CFL (which is what I think you're saying), or threaten to retire and then come back and then retire again (which is what I think is what you're saying)

Rich Gannon's stats:
So where is all this "no game tape to judge him on"?
[/quote]


When it comes to Rypien, I'm just going by what the announcer said then he was out of shape in preseason. I didn't know he was Canadian until they said he considered playing there instead of re-uping with us. Omit it if you want, but you have to admit, he seemed very sluggish until well into the season. At least he did to me.

I wasn't saying that there was not game tape on him, i was replying to someone ELSE who said that by saying that he obviously had done enough if so many other teams signed him. Besides, everyone starts out with no NFL game tape. It's call having a great scouting team and coaching staff. There's more than just stats to see the potential of a man. The same way that a perfect pass, popped up by a guy thinking about AFTER the catch, caught by the corner of the opposing team... that's an interception in the QB's stats. They say that the numbers don't lie, but if you actualy watch the game and pay attention, you know the real deal.

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Anyone around here thinking we are getting anything more than a fourth(or most likely a fifth) round pick for Campbell needs to leave fantasy island and return to the land of reality.

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I guess looking at the numbers, Neither Brad Johnson nor Rich Gannon looked like Superbowl level QB's... but hey, neither did Doug Williams. As the Buc's QB, they went 2-14. Wow... 2 games worse than JC's last season. (since everyone considers the win/loss record as a qb stat)

Rypien's pre-superbowl stats weren't very impressive either. Not horrible, but not, "Holy Crap! This guy's gonn abe a Superbowl NVP some day" looking either.

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I'm just saying, pryor to his superbowl victory behind an awesome team, his best seasonal rating was 76.8.

His last season before Gibbs brought him here, he threw 9 tds and 11 interceptions. So tell me, Mr Smootsmack... if you look at all the QBs that have won the big one, and just look at stats, are they all Marino and McNabb like?

Lack luster, yet dependable QBs with some "but not necessarily great" comeback abilities like Brad Johnson and Trent Dilfer prove that with a great defense and a 'solid' offense, the big games can be won WELL! Great line, Steady QB, solid RBs, and sure handed passing options are all it takes if the defense is top 5.

Joe Theismann played 5 full seasons before throwing more TD's than picks. I guess when Joe Gibbs get here, he should've looked at Joe' sold stats and ignored the gameplay, huh. Judging by his stats, he was NOT a Superbowl winner. Instead of drafting Mark May to solidify the o-line, we should've gotten one of the great QBs available.

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[quote=Beneil (diehard since 87);687899]When it comes to Rypien, I'm just going by what the announcer said then he was out of shape in preseason. I didn't know he was Canadian until they said he considered playing there instead of re-uping with us. Omit it if you want, but you have to admit, he seemed very sluggish until well into the season. At least he did to me.[/quote]

I'll omit that what you said about him going to the CFL because it never happened. Yes, he used it as leverage in negotiations with the Redskins but that's as far as it went

[quote]I wasn't saying that there was not game tape on him, i was replying to someone ELSE who said that by saying that he obviously had done enough if so many other teams signed him. Besides, everyone starts out with no NFL game tape. It's call having a great scouting team and coaching staff. There's more than just stats to see the potential of a man. The same way that a perfect pass, popped up by a guy thinking about AFTER the catch, caught by the corner of the opposing team... that's an interception in the QB's stats. They say that the numbers don't lie, but if you actualy watch the game and pay attention, you know the real deal.[/quote]

Sigh...kudos to you I guess for having the vision to see that Rich Gannon would have a Peyton-esque season or two in his 10+ years of pedestrian QB play

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[quote=Beneil (diehard since 87);687901]I guess looking at the numbers, Neither Brad Johnson nor Rich Gannon looked like Superbowl level QB's... but hey, neither did Doug Williams. As the Buc's QB, they went 2-14. Wow... 2 games worse than JC's last season. (since everyone considers the win/loss record as a qb stat)

Rypien's pre-superbowl stats weren't very impressive either. Not horrible, but not, "Holy Crap! This guy's gonn abe a Superbowl NVP some day" looking either.[/quote]

Actually, you're wrong about Doug Williams...but that won't stop you from defending your error I suppose

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[quote=Beneil (diehard since 87);687293]Rypien: He eent to the Canadian league and toyed with us like Favre did Green bay. Once we got him back, he was out of shape and missed a lot of training and stuff. We didnt have Mr Superbowl man, we had an out of shape canadian and a crappy back-up. Stan, had we kept him, would've been a FAR better follow-up to the QBs we had after Rypien.[/quote]Hindsight = 20/20.

[quote]Gannon: Um, in short, yes. I guess you would've gotten rid of Peyton Manning after HIS crappy first year too huh? Look, Every great QB starts out as a new guy that has no NFL game tape to go on. His preseason and the few plays he got in, whatever. All i know is i remember saying, "What the heck!?! What happened to Gannon?" Sorry for not taping tha games he DID play to use as evidence that I thought he was good. the other teams he played for obviously saw what i saw.[/quote]Have you sent your resume in to the Skins yet, if I'm correct the scouts' contracts are up shortly after the draft? If you saw Gannon as a SB QB when he was with us...well I'll just say you've got Miss Cleo beat.

[quote]As for the "O-Line isn't a position" statement... that was just stupid and pointless. you watch the movie 'Blindside'? even my WIFE knows the importance of having a monster Tackle on the left side of a right handed QB. (and vice versa) Oh, and in front of any alltime great QB is an inteligent and dependable center. If you think a QB can be great without at least those two things, please, name one great QB that won games while lying on his back.[/quote]Glad to see that your depth of football IQ stems from watching The Blindside. What position did Oher play in the movie....was it O-Line? No, it was LT. You mention a Center, different position from LT. Last time I checked, there were 5 positions on the O-Line. QB is a position, a single player, and it is the most important SINGLE POSITION on the field, without question. And we did significantly upgrade this position with the acquisition of McNabb.

Of the five positions on the OL we have a gaping hole at LT, a solid LG, a C whose best days are behind him, but may be a stopgap this year, RG is an unknown (Hicks, Williams, Rinehart) but it should be average or slightly below, RT is probably either Heyer or Levi, again average or slightly below would be my current assesment of the position. We are not going to completely rebuild the OL in a single off-season.

Forgive him, for he knows not of what he speaks

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more like Beneil (hardhead since 87) amirite?

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[quote=tryfuhl;688031]more like Beneil (hardhead since 87) amirite?[/quote]:lol:

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I made my peace with Beneil months ago. You guys should do the same. He's just a passionate fan. He does have good points from time to time.

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i still don't get what his point actually was and how its relevant to the topic of the thread.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;687990][B]Hindsight = 20/20[/B].

Have you sent your resume in to the Skins yet, if I'm correct the scouts' contracts are up shortly after the draft? [B]If you saw Gannon as a SB QB when he was with us...well I'll just say you've got Miss Cleo beat.[/B]

[B]Glad to see that [U][I]your[/I][/U] depth of football IQ stems from watching The Blindside.[/B] What position did Oher play in the movie....was it O-Line? No, it was LT. You mention a Center, different position from LT. Last time I checked, there were 5 positions on the O-Line. QB is a position, a single player, and it is the most important SINGLE POSITION on the field, without question. And we did significantly upgrade this position with the acquisition of McNabb.

Of the five positions on the OL we have a gaping hole at LT, a solid LG, a C whose best days are behind him, but may be a stopgap this year, RG is an unknown (Hicks, Williams, Rinehart) but it should be average or slightly below, RT is probably either Heyer or Levi, again average or slightly below would be my current assesment of the position. [B]We are not going to completely rebuild the OL in a single off-season[/B]. [/quote]

Okay, now you're just TRYING to be mean. I didn't say that IIIII learned from watching The Blind Side. I said any idiot can watch blindside and see how important an OT is. And why is the whole " 'O-line' is not a position" thing even part of your argument!? You're just being aimlessly facitious. My point is obvious. The Center and Tackle opposite the strating QB's throwing arm are the two most important positions to have GREAT PLAYERS in my opinion but as a whole, the ENTIRE OFFENSIVE LINE doesn't need to be AWESOME but have depth. If you disagree on THAT then say your side, but to focus on the fact that O-Line is not the name of a specific position is stupid. :doh: You're acting like i said "Oher is the best Center ever!" or something. I said LT was important, then in a seperate sentence i say Center is important, so you put the two together and practicaly call me a moron. Nice. Us Redskins fans are always looking out for eachother.

As for not rebuilding the OL in a single offseason, we pretty much already have. (though not an UPGRADE)
Think. How many O-Linemen did we start with last year and how many of them are here now? The best we had is gone and most of them are new faces. Some that weren't here or starting all year are still around, others retired or got dropped and even the ones that had a few decent games, like Levi Jones, are gone. We ARE rebuilding... just not improving. Your description of our O-Line alone shows that I am right. I guarantee that starting 5 this year won't have but maybe 2 names at the MOST from last year. The bench may have one as well, but i'm calling that a rebuilt o-line... i just hope it's an improvement.

And finally, you cna say 20/20 all you want. The fact is that i only been on this site for so long. If I had a computer when i was a kid and this site was around, i would've been making post after post against losing the players that i mention seeing something in. I was saying it then and I'm typing it now. it sure as heck was NOT hindsight 20/20 on MY behalf. Right now, i'm saying the same thing about Jason Campbell. though I hope we keep him because if our O-LINE POSITION[U]S[/U] aren't drasticly improved, my 'cleo'-like prediction is that McNabb is gonna get hurt behind it and i'd rather have Jason in than Rex. I see a lot in Campbell. If on a team with a decent line, i "predict" HE'LL have a ring before he's done too. Just because you were wrong about players in the past doesn't mean everyone else was too. Some people can look at a short Dolfin receiver that can barely make the #4 spot and say "We should use this little Welker guy with that older has-been who's stinkin' up the Raiders and really make some noise". Then there are people like you who can't see greatness until his stat sheet is filled with wins.

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We haven't rebuilt the O-Line, we've just had a carousel. When something is built that means that it's done, we're currently building the O-Line. Past years should tell us that depth is very important.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;688054]I made my peace with Beneil months ago. You guys should do the same. He's just a passionate fan. He does have good points from time to time.[/quote]

Friend from another board?

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[quote=Beneil (diehard since 87);688063]Okay, now you're just TRYING to be mean. I didn't say that IIIII learned from watching The Blind Side. I said any idiot can watch blindside and see how important an OT is. And why is the whole " 'O-line' is not a position" thing even part of your argument!? You're just being aimlessly facitious. My point is obvious. The Center and Tackle opposite the strating QB's throwing arm are the two most important positions to have GREAT PLAYERS in my opinion but as a whole, the ENTIRE OFFENSIVE LINE doesn't need to be AWESOME but have depth. If you disagree on THAT then say your side, but to focus on the fact that O-Line is not the name of a specific position is stupid. :doh: You're acting like i said "Oher is the best Center ever!" or something. I said LT was important, then in a seperate sentence i say Center is important, so you put the two together and practicaly call me a moron. Nice. Us Redskins fans are always looking out for eachother.[/quote]The problem is this. You make a paragraph long rant about QBs we "gave up on". Multiple folks here pointed out your factual inaccuracies and hindsight observations. Then you go into another mini-rant about repeating the past, that ends with "Injury prone QB" and "Crappy line". That argument gets blown up...again with facts and reality, and you go off to something else. Now you want to cry foul...c'mon.

[quote]As for not rebuilding the OL in a single offseason, we pretty much already have. (though not an UPGRADE)
Think. How many O-Linemen did we start with last year and how many of them are here now? The best we had is gone and most of them are new faces. Some that weren't here or starting all year are still around, others retired or got dropped and even the ones that had a few decent games, like Levi Jones, are gone. We ARE rebuilding... just not improving. Your description of our O-Line alone shows that I am right. I guarantee that starting 5 this year won't have but maybe 2 names at the MOST from last year. The bench may have one as well, but i'm calling that a rebuilt o-line... i just hope it's an improvement.[/quote]We haven't done jack to our OL outside of bringing in Hicks and some camp fodder. Our starting OL, based on who we have now (and counting our 1st pick on LT) will likely be: LT - 1st rd pick, LG - Dock, C- Rabach, RG - Hicks, RT - Heyer. But....the draft hasn't happened, there are other cuts to be made, etc., etc., etc. The O/L is not anywhere near to a finished product. We have plenty of holes on this team, otherwise we wouldn't have been 4-12. Those holes won't all be filled in a single off-season. But one hole we did fill, at least in the short term, is at QB.

[quote]And finally, you cna say 20/20 all you want. The fact is that i only been on this site for so long. If I had a computer when i was a kid and this site was around, i would've been making post after post against losing the players that i mention seeing something in. I was saying it then and I'm typing it now. it sure as heck was NOT hindsight 20/20 on MY behalf. Right now, i'm saying the same thing about Jason Campbell. though I hope we keep him because if our O-LINE POSITION[U]S[/U] aren't drasticly improved, my 'cleo'-like prediction is that McNabb is gonna get hurt behind it and i'd rather have Jason in than Rex. I see a lot in Campbell. If on a team with a decent line, i "predict" HE'LL have a ring before he's done too. Just because you were wrong about players in the past doesn't mean everyone else was too. Some people can look at a short Dolfin receiver that can barely make the #4 spot and say "We should use this little Welker guy with that older has-been who's stinkin' up the Raiders and really make some noise". Then there are people like you who can't see greatness until his stat sheet is filled with wins.[/quote]Certainly your top-flight scouting abilities are beyond question. Without knowing what your other all-seeing, all-knowing, predictions are (that aren't after-the-fact) we'll just have to see how the JC thing pans out. I'm making my prediction (and have in numerous other posts) that JC will be nothing more than a back-up and if he gets a ring, he'll have about as much to do with winning it as Chase Daniel did to get his.

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[quote=SmootSmack;687916]Actually, you're wrong about Doug Williams...but that won't stop you from defending your error I suppose[/quote]


uh huh... I was wrong, his worst season was 5-11.

You know, you guys are right! As a Buc, his 31 wins, 34 losses, and one tie as practicaly SCREAMS 'Superbowl record breaker' if you think about it! You're right. As soon as I saw is best season of 76.8 rating i would've forgotten all about the two years where he rated in the lower 50's. Wow! If his early work would've inspired you to hire him, i bet you must LOVE Jason Campbell! His first buc season was 5-11, then they went 10-6... which would be cool if they didn't just end up going to 5-10-1 the next season (WAY better than JC), but i guess his final 9-7 season is what really told you he was destined for greatness.

No... i bet it was his 14-22 record as an Arizona Outlaw in the USLF that you guys saw that cemented in your mind that THIS was [U]the guy[/U]!

Look, though the latest Superbowl winning QBs are upper echelon like Manning, Brady, and Brees, One: the change that GOT them to the big game is improved defense, improved o-line (+insane kicker), and improved defense respectively. A great QB breaks records like Dan Marino, but alone is as useless as having only Barry Sanders. Fill the stat books but not win championships. Also, without the other pieces, a great player can be hidden behind lacklust stats due to the rest of the team. If you just look at wes welker in Miami, especialy just his stats, you do NOT see him as the guy you have to game plan around. TWO: there are PLENTY of Superbowls that were won by teams with QBs that dont' have the IT factor. If IT factor was all it took, Dan Marino would have more rings than fingers and Trent Dilfer would DEFINATLY not have a ring. Rex Grossman sure as hell wouldn't have had a superbowl appearance either.

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Oh and no, i dont' think we'll have a "Perfectly Rebuilt Offensive Line" by week one. That's one of the main reasons I question the McNabb signing.

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[quote=SmootSmack;688116]Friend from another board?[/quote]

No, i just know him from here. Him and Me got into it pretty hard over a Clinton Portis argument last fall, but eventually the dust settled and we made peace lol.

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[quote=Beneil (diehard since 87);688121]If you just look at wes welker in Miami, especialy just his stats, [B]you do NOT see him as the guy you have to game plan around.[/B] TWO: there are PLENTY of Superbowls that were won by teams with QBs that dont' have the IT factor. If IT factor was all it took, Dan Marino would have more rings than fingers and Trent Dilfer would DEFINATLY not have a ring. Rex Grossman sure as hell wouldn't have had a superbowl appearance either.[/quote]Welker has never been "gameplanned around". Randy Moss is a guy that's gameplanned around, that opens things up for Welker.

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[quote=Beneil (diehard since 87);688121]uh huh... I was wrong, his worst season was 5-11.

You know, you guys are right! As a Buc, his 31 wins, 34 losses, and one tie as practicaly SCREAMS 'Superbowl record breaker' if you think about it! You're right. As soon as I saw is best season of 76.8 rating i would've forgotten all about the two years where he rated in the lower 50's. Wow! If his early work would've inspired you to hire him, i bet you must LOVE Jason Campbell! His first buc season was 5-11, then they went 10-6... which would be cool if they didn't just end up going to 5-10-1 the next season (WAY better than JC), but i guess his final 9-7 season is what really told you he was destined for greatness.

No... i bet it was his 14-22 record as an Arizona Outlaw in the USLF that you guys saw that cemented in your mind that THIS was [U]the guy[/U]![/quote]

Dripping sarcasm noted....Anyway, in his 2nd year in the league, Williams was the QB of a team that went to the NFC Championship game (I think, not positive off hand). A team that was only in ts 4th year of existence.

But I'm not even sure what your point was in the first place.

[quote]Look, though the latest Superbowl winning QBs are upper echelon like Manning, Brady, and Brees, One: the change that GOT them to the big game is improved defense, improved o-line (+insane kicker), and improved defense respectively. A great QB breaks records like Dan Marino, but alone is as useless as having only Barry Sanders. Fill the stat books but not win championships. Also, without the other pieces, a great player can be hidden behind lacklust stats due to the rest of the team. If you just look at wes welker in Miami, especialy just his stats, you do NOT see him as the guy you have to game plan around. TWO: there are PLENTY of Superbowls that were won by teams with QBs that dont' have the IT factor. If IT factor was all it took, Dan Marino would have more rings than fingers and Trent Dilfer would DEFINATLY not have a ring. Rex Grossman sure as hell wouldn't have had a superbowl appearance either.[/quote]

IT factor is, of course, not all it takes but more often than not a team won't make a Super Bowl without a franchise QB.

Though I'm still not sure what your point is in all of this. And what your rants about Rypien, Humphries, and Gannon were all about

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[quote=Beneil (diehard since 87);688123]Oh and no, i dont' think we'll have a "Perfectly Rebuilt Offensive Line" by week one. That's one of the main reasons I question the McNabb signing.[/quote]

i am curious - why did you wait until 1987 to become a diehard skins fan?

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Yeah I didn't bother replying to most of that because I didn't see it going anywhere.

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[quote=Beneil (diehard since 87);688123]Oh and no, i dont' think we'll have a "Perfectly Rebuilt Offensive Line" by week one. That's one of the main reasons I question the McNabb signing.[/quote]So by your logic, we should wait until we upgrade the OL before we look to improve the QB postion, correct?

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;688137]So by your logic, we should wait until we upgrade the OL before we look to improve the QB postion, correct?[/quote]
Yeah, apparently you have to prioritize order outside of the draft too!

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Probably the only mistake Shanny has made so far: asking Jason Campbell to stay away from the Park and Practice. This SCREAMS "we don';t want you and have no intention of having you around"....which incidentally screams to other clubs..."well fellas, don't bother giving us a draft pick because we're gonna release him".

Now, a team like Buffalo only has to offer a 7th rounder or at best a 6th rounder in order to get the Skins to bite. I doubt that Campbell will be around much longer because Shanny does not want to give him a playbook, knowing that he will never make the club.

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[quote=internetcareer;688344]Probably the only mistake Shanny has made so far: asking Jason Campbell to stay away from the Park and Practice. This SCREAMS "we don';t want you and have no intention of having you around"....which incidentally screams to other clubs..."well fellas, don't bother giving us a draft pick because we're gonna release him".

Now, a team like Buffalo only has to offer a 7th rounder or at best a 6th rounder in order to get the Skins to bite. I doubt that Campbell will be around much longer because Shanny does not want to give him a playbook, knowing that he will never make the club.[/quote]


I would lump that in with alienating the best player on the team. But you are right, by signing Grossman and McNabb, they have lowered Jason's value significantly.

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[quote=internetcareer;688344][B]Probably the only mistake Shanny has made so far[/B]: asking Jason Campbell to stay away from the Park and Practice. This SCREAMS "we don';t want you and have no intention of having you around"....which incidentally screams to other clubs..."well fellas, don't bother giving us a draft pick because we're gonna release him".

Now, a team like Buffalo only has to offer a 7th rounder or at best a 6th rounder in order to get the Skins to bite. I doubt that Campbell will be around much longer because Shanny does not want to give him a playbook, knowing that he will never make the club.[/quote]

This is definitely a big mistake. Not sure if I agree with you on it being the only mistake. I haven't agreed with most of the offseason moves thus far. If the geriatric three headed rushing attack pans out and McNabbulous takes us to the postseason I'll be wrong, but I don't see it.

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[quote=internetcareer;688344]Probably the only mistake Shanny has made so far: asking Jason Campbell to stay away from the Park and Practice.[/quote]
If he's still trying to trade Haynesworth make that 2

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After the Redskins' trade for Donovan McNabb, the kneejerk reaction was that Jason Campbell was not long for Washington, D.C. The Washington Post's Jason Reid reported later in the week that Campbell's agent had been given the green light to explore trade opportunities for Campbell, and on Monday, the QB signed his RFA tender, clearing a final hurdle to his being traded.

Possible destinations for Campbell
Oakland: Lost out on McNabb, other options aren't too encouraging
Buffalo: Campbell's not from California!
Minnesota: You know, in case Favre doesn't come back
Carolina: ESPN's NFC South blogger Pat Yasinskas thinks Campbell is worth a shot for the Panthers, possibly with a mid-round pickJacksonville: David Garrard's not getting any younger, although Michael C. Wright tweets that the Jags aren't interestedBoth Oakland and Buffalo (which pick consecutively in the first round, appropriately enough) need a QB upgrade, but could also take a tackle with their first pick. And of course, there is the chance of a team biding its time and getting into the mix later (say, a Favre-less Minnesota Vikings, if they see Campbell as an upgrade over the Tarvaris Jackson-Sage Rosenfels duo).

ESPN.com's Matt Mosley thinks it'll take a fourth-rounder for Campbell, and throws the 49ers and Browns into the list of possibly interested teams. ESPN's John Clayton concurs with the price tag, noting that a mid-round pick could probably get it done. Assessing the different possibilities, Jeremy Green of Scouts, Inc. thinks that the Raiders' offensive philosophy is the best match for Campbell's game:



Jeremy Green
He's got the big arm Al Davis loves

"While it is hard to get excited about any player going to Oakland because of the nature of the Raiders organization, the down-the-field throwing style they ask from the QB in the offensive system does suit Campbell's skill set the best. Campbell is a pocket passer with a strong arm who throws a good deep ball, which is the No. 1 requirement in the Raiders' offensive system."

JC's screwed.

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[quote=internetcareer;688344]Probably the only mistake Shanny has made so far: asking Jason Campbell to stay away from the Park and Practice. This SCREAMS "we don';t want you and have no intention of having you around"....which incidentally screams to other clubs..."well fellas, don't bother giving us a draft pick because we're gonna release him".

Now, a team like Buffalo only has to offer a 7th rounder or at best a 6th rounder in order to get the Skins to bite. I doubt that Campbell will be around much longer because Shanny does not want to give him a playbook, knowing that he will never make the club.[/quote]


What it really says is we don't want you getting injured at a mini camp and really screwing up any trade possibilities.

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[quote=internetcareer;688344][B]Probably the only mistake Shanny has made so far: asking Jason Campbell to stay away from the Park and Practice. This SCREAMS "we don';t want you and have no intention of having you around".[/B]...which incidentally screams to other clubs..."well fellas, don't bother giving us a draft pick because we're gonna release him".

Now, a team like Buffalo only has to offer a 7th rounder or at best a 6th rounder in order to get the Skins to bite. I doubt that Campbell will be around much longer because Shanny does not want to give him a playbook, knowing that he will never make the club.[/quote]

The McNabb trade alone "screamed" that. JC's staying away doesn't matter with this.

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Campbell has been sent the playbook to study, says he'll report to activities if not traded

[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/jason-campbell/campbell-will-study-shanahans.html]Redskins Insider - Campbell will study Shanahan's playbook despite absence from minicamp[/url]

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[quote=tryfuhl;689166]Campbell has been sent the playbook to study, says he'll report to activities if not traded

[URL="http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/jason-campbell/campbell-will-study-shanahans.html"]Redskins Insider - Campbell will study Shanahan's playbook despite absence from minicamp[/URL][/quote]

Studying is what he does best.

Honestly, I'd love to retain him as the backup but am expecting a draft-day trade. If the move directly helps us fix the O-line...I'm fine with it and as long as we don't pull a Philly and trade him in the division (we'd never...), I'll root for him.

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[quote=tryfuhl;689166]Campbell has been sent the playbook to study, says he'll report to activities if not traded

[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/jason-campbell/campbell-will-study-shanahans.html]Redskins Insider - Campbell will study Shanahan's playbook despite absence from minicamp[/url][/quote]

I was hoping maybe it would link to the Smurfs' game :)

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[quote=SmootSmack;689182]I was hoping maybe it would link to the Smurfs' game :)[/quote]
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on ESPN980 they just said that Campbell is in another NFL city today and they said they would reveal the city after the break. i'm not going to be able to listen - if anyone knows where campbells at, it'd be interesting to know.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;689940]on ESPN980 they just said that Campbell is in another NFL city today and they said they would reveal the city after the break. i'm not going to be able to listen - if anyone knows where campbells at, it'd be interesting to know.[/quote]

It was 2 seperate emailers claiming the saw JC in the Charlote Airport. They said they have no idea if it's true but only mentioned it because it came from two different people claiming the same thing.

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I thought it was JC who chose not to attend camp because he feels like he will be with another team soon.

I think the best way to maximize Campbell's value is to hold onto him, and wait for summer camp. If another starter in the league goes down with an injury, then that team will be more desperate to make a deal. If not, then we have 2 quality starting QBs going into the season, not such a bad thing.

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wow. 2 seperate e-mailers. thank goodness people are only allowed to have one e-mail account. otherwise, this could just be one person who was making up crap.