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The 33rd Team
@The33rdTeamFB
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16h
For reference, Fields (
@justnfields
) under pressure on 79 drop backs was 22-46 for 278 yards, 4 TDs and 3 INTs with 20 sacks

Best completion % under pressure with 50+ drop backs: Mac Jones (
@MacJones_10
)

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[quote=AnonEmouse;1272647]Not saying I wouldn't take Watson with that deal, but I'd balance this with the fact our brain trust took Chase instead of Tua last year, and that worked out pretty damn well. Imagine 3 more potential monster picks like Chase on the team by 2024? I'd be sure I'm as confident as possible we can't find a guy in this draft before I pulled the trigger on that deal.[/quote]

Are there going to even be 3 players of Chase' ability available in the next 3 drafts? let alone available where the skins will be drafting n the next 3 drafts? Most likely not even close.

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[quote=EdmundDorf;1272660]The 33rd Team
@The33rdTeamFB
·
16h
For reference, Fields (
@justnfields
) under pressure on 79 drop backs was 22-46 for 278 yards, 4 TDs and 3 INTs with 20 sacks

Best completion % under pressure with 50+ drop backs: Mac Jones (
@MacJones_10
)[/quote]

With that WR core and RB and OL I am not surprised it is Mac Jones

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I still say keep our draft picks and players, and continue to build out this young team. Watson isn't going anywhere, and even if he is, it would be too costly. Let a team like SF mortgage their future for him if they want to. WFT can find a QB that will elevate this team for much less cost/risk, on the FA market and/or in the draft.

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[url]https://sports.yahoo.com/deshaun-watson-may-want-traded-172918479.html[/url]

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1272709][url]https://sports.yahoo.com/deshaun-watson-may-want-traded-172918479.html[/url][/quote]

Not to read too much into things, but he also expressed annoyance at not being consulted about the GM hire; he was told management would speak to him for his input then they didn't. Not like he had a veto or anything, but to say we value your input so we'll come talk to you and then not do it, says he's not going to trust them in future.

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[QUOTE=AnonEmouse;1272720]Not to read too much into things, but he also expressed annoyance at not being consulted about the GM hire; he was told management would speak to him for his input then they didn't. Not like he had a veto or anything, but to say we value your input so we'll come talk to you and then not do it, says he's not going to trust them in future.[/QUOTE]Would it be too much to hope for a reverse TW situation?

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Current draft order after this weekend's games

1. Jaguars

2. Jets

3. Dolphins (via Texans)

4. Falcons

5. Bengals

6. Eagles

7. Lions

8. Panthers

9. Broncos

10. Cowboys

11. Giants

12. 49ers

13. Chargers

14. Vikings

15. Patriots

16. Cardinals

17. Raiders

18. Dolphins

[B]19. Washington Football Team[/B]

20. Bears

21. Colts

22. Titans

23. Jets (via Seahawks)

24. Steelers

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I think our first round pick will go toward a TRADE for our mystical franchise QB.

Either to move up in the draft OR to make an Uber-trade for a FA.

In fact, I think we’ll have a pretty shallow draft because they will trade picks away to get the QB they want.

To get STAFFORD, is going to take A LOT of draft pick juice.

He’s going to take: this year’s 1, 3 & 5 and next years: 2. He’s worth it!!


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This year’s 1, 3 & 5 and next years: 2.

:puke:

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^ I don't think the price for Stafford would be as crazy as that

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1273679]This year’s 1, 3 & 5 and next years: 2.

:puke:[/quote]

It won't take that much, he's 31 or 32 now. I'd offer our 2nd if they say no I'd offer 2022 1st

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I’d give this years first and next years 2nd for Stafford initially. I’d would sweeten it with a couple later rounds picks if needed.

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Hold the fuck up............

[B]Devonta Smith only played the first half last night?[/B]

His stat line was this:

12 receptions for 215 yards and three touchdowns.

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[quote=Chico23231;1273870]Hold the fuck up............

[B]Devonta Smith only played the first half last night?[/B]

His stat line was this:

12 receptions for 215 yards and three touchdowns.[/quote]

Yeah he balled out big time. Ohio State didn't seem too interested in paying that much attention to him. He was beating them on the same shit over and over.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1273871]Yeah he balled out big time. Ohio State didn't seem too interested in paying that much attention to him. He was beating them on the same shit over and over.[/quote]

I watched the first half and declared this game was over...had no idea that guy didn’t play the second half and wasn’t stat watching

That’s sick...this dude is amazing. What an embarrassment for OSU

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Apparently the Ohio State coaching staff has never seen a player go in motion before.

That being said, Smith is a fucking stud. I'd gladly take him at 19. He would be BPA for sure.

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But how long would Smith last in the NFL ??? He certainly is a great athlete, but his body is rather small. How many hard hits could he take without serious injury?

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[quote=Ohioskins;1273880]But how long would Smith last in the NFL ??? He certainly is a great athlete, but his body is rather small. How many hard hits could he take without serious injury?[/quote]

He's like Marvin Harrison

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The Heinicke/Allen starts in 2021 draft. If we signed or traded for a vet I would replace Purdy with BPA.

19: R1 P19 - TE Kyle Pitts - Florida
51: R2 P19 - OT Christian Darrisaw - Virginia Tech
74: R3 P10 - QB Brock Purdy - Iowa State
82: R3 P18 - WR Terrace Marshall Jr. - LSU
121: R4 P19 - S Caden Sterns - Texas
160: R5 P19 - CB Shakur Brown - Michigan State
239: R7 P17 - LB Nate Landman - Colorado
241: R7 P19 - LB Jamar Watson - Kentucky

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[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErqS5PkXMAUTJju?format=jpg&name=900x900[/IMG]

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1272230]If we took Jones at 19 I'd be cool with that[/quote]

All you people that want to take Mac Jones need to wise the eff up. He’s basically a white version of Dwayne Haskins. Fat, lazy, and rides on the coattails of his big time program with elite talent all around him comparable to most opponents. He’s a frat boy that’s going to come in cocky, not hungry, like Haskins did from OSU. I don’t want him and would rather mortgage a bit more to trade up for someone like Wilson or Lance that (I think will be hungrier and have a better work ethic).

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1273881]He's like Marvin Harrison[/quote]

Or, DeSean Jackson.

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[quote=SkinzWin;1274054]All you people that want to take Mac Jones need to wise the eff up. He’s basically a white version of Dwayne Haskins. Fat, lazy, and rides on the coattails of his big time program with elite talent all around him comparable to most opponents. He’s a frat boy that’s going to come in cocky, not hungry, like Haskins did from OSU. I don’t want him and would rather mortgage a bit more to trade up for someone like Wilson or Lance that (I think will be hungrier and have a better work ethic).[/quote]

I've already gone on record (a few days ago) that I want no part of Mac Jones. I'd be pissed if we drafted him.

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[quote=SkinzWin;1274054]All you people that want to take Mac Jones need to wise the eff up. He’s basically a white version of Dwayne Haskins. Fat, lazy, and rides on the coattails of his big time program with elite talent all around him comparable to most opponents. He’s a frat boy that’s going to come in cocky, not hungry, like Haskins did from OSU. I don’t want him and would rather mortgage a bit more to trade up for someone like Wilson or Lance that (I think will be hungrier and have a better work ethic).[/quote]

His story is much different than DH

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[quote=SkinzWin;1274054]All you people that want to take Mac Jones need to wise the eff up. He’s basically a white version of Dwayne Haskins. Fat, lazy, and rides on the coattails of his big time program with elite talent all around him comparable to most opponents. He’s a frat boy that’s going to come in cocky, not hungry, like Haskins did from OSU. I don’t want him and would rather mortgage a bit more to trade up for someone like Wilson or Lance that (I think will be hungrier and have a better work ethic).[/quote]

Do you personally know him? Whether it is college or the pro’s you surround him with a solid OL and receivers and he can be a solid QB, he proved it in the championship game vs a talented D.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1274057]His story is much different than DH[/quote]

Please. Tell me more. The last picture I saw of him on social media was with his shirt off rocking a beer gut with a cigar in his hand at what appeared to be a frat keggar. QB’s who take football seriously and put in work don’t have time for that shit. That picture told me all I need to know about that guy. Being a QB for the University of Alabama is a status symbol and priority for him. If putting football first was most important in his life, that picture wouldn’t exist.

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[quote=SkinzWin;1274059]Please. Tell me more. The last picture I saw of him on social media was with his shirt off rocking a beer gut with a cigar in his hand at what appeared to be a frat keggar. QB’s who take football seriously and put in work don’t have time for that shit. That picture told me all I need to know about that guy. Being a QB for the University of Alabama is a status symbol and priority for him. If putting football first was most important in his life, that picture wouldn’t exist.[/quote]

He worked his way up the ranks at Bama, sat and learned behind Hurts and Tua. Got his opportunity and ran with it.

[url]https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/30479499/alabama-qb-mac-jones-stakes-claim-most-interesting-man-college-football[/url]

[YT][url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-g9YoZJctRc[/url][/YT]


[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-g9YoZJctRc[/url]

Haskins is all about the show and social media BS

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[quote=SkinzWin;1274059]Please. Tell me more. The last picture I saw of him on social media was with his shirt off rocking a beer gut with a cigar in his hand at what appeared to be a frat keggar. QB’s who take football seriously and put in work don’t have time for that shit. That picture told me all I need to know about that guy. Being a QB for the University of Alabama is a status symbol and priority for him. If putting football first was most important in his life, that picture wouldn’t exist.[/quote]

The guy can't celebrate winning the National Championship?

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1274058]Do you personally know him? Whether it is college or the pro’s you surround him with a solid OL and receivers and he can be a solid QB, he proved it in the championship game vs a talented D.[/quote]

No I obviously don’t. But read my post above. Haskins was the exact same way. Came from a big time college program. Thought highly of himself. Took selfies during games, had stripper parties, focused more on his social scene than his football skills. He had an above average o line this year, ranked 6th overall by PFF at the end of the year. Had good skill position players in Gibson, McLaurin and Thomas. But what did he do? Nothing. Terrible decision making, accuracy and ability to read coverage. Because. He. Didn’t. Put. In. The. Work. He expected things to come easy to him like they did at OSU. I see a similar trajectory for Mac Jones with some of the stuff I’ve seen floating around the interwebs about him.

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Also Big Ben was not the most cut up guy either and I think that worked out pretty good for Pittsburgh.. I wouldn't stress that much over that stuff. The dude can play

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[quote=SkinzWin;1274062]No I obviously don’t. But read my post above. Haskins was the exact same way. Came from a big time college program. Thought highly of himself. Took selfies during games, had stripper parties, focused more on his social scene than his football skills. He had an above average o line this year, ranked 6th overall by PFF at the end of the year. Had good skill position players in Gibson, McLaurin and Thomas. But what did he do? Nothing. Terrible decision making, accuracy and ability to read coverage. Because. He. Didn’t. Put. In. The. Work. He expected things to come easy to him like they did at OSU. I see a similar trajectory for Mac Jones with some of [B]the stuff I’ve seen floating around the interwebs about him.[/B][/quote]

Please share some of that interweb stuff with us.

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[quote=SkinzWin;1274062]No I obviously don’t. But read my post above. Haskins was the exact same way. Came from a big time college program. Thought highly of himself. Took selfies during games, had stripper parties, focused more on his social scene than his football skills. He had an above average o line this year, ranked 6th overall by PFF at the end of the year. Had good skill position players in Gibson, McLaurin and Thomas. But what did he do? Nothing. Terrible decision making, accuracy and ability to read coverage. Because. He. Didn’t. Put. In. The. Work. He expected things to come easy to him like they did at OSU. I see a similar trajectory for Mac Jones with some of the stuff I’ve seen floating around the interwebs about him.[/quote]

Jones is a 4.0 student, currently working on his Master's, Haskins was working on his strippers Phd.

[url]https://www.rollbamaroll.com/2021/1/5/22215456/making-the-case-for-the-2020-heisman-trophy-mac-jones[/url]

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1274064]Please share some of that interweb stuff with us.[/quote]

ESPN article: “ "He's a clown," punctuates Kalif Jackson, who has known Jones since they were 15-year-old rivals in 7-on-7.”

“When asked to self-evaluate, to put himself in context with 2020's other quarterback phenoms -- Trevor Lawrence and Justin Fields and Trask -- Jones offers a frank assessment: "Those guys can probably all throw better than me, and some of them can run faster than me. I wouldn't say I have a bunch of physical characteristics that are super impressive."

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[quote=SkinzWin;1274067]ESPN article: “ "He's a clown," punctuates Kalif Jackson, who has known Jones since they were 15-year-old rivals in 7-on-7.”

“When asked to self-evaluate, to put himself in context with 2020's other quarterback phenoms -- Trevor Lawrence and Justin Fields and Trask -- Jones offers a frank assessment: "Those guys can probably all throw better than me, and some of them can run faster than me. I wouldn't say I have a bunch of physical characteristics that are super impressive."[/quote]

That's pretty damning. He likes to have fun, and he's humble. Yep, better pass on him.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1274066]Jones is a 4.0 student, currently working on his Master's, Haskins was working on his strippers Phd.

[url]https://www.rollbamaroll.com/2021/1/5/22215456/making-the-case-for-the-2020-heisman-trophy-mac-jones[/url][/quote]

Maybe I’m wrong. I’ve been reading up on him some more and apparently he cataloged all of the Alabama playbooks he ever had last off season, regularly works with his girlfriend to diagram plays at night she calls out to him at the facility and had his high school coach fly in to help him work on developing his deep throws this past off season, which is well documented he did well with this year. I’ll be the first to own up for being too harsh in my surface level assessment of him.

I just can’t get away from feeling like we would be wasting a first round pick on a QB that doesn’t appear to have elite QB traits. Maybe I’m wrong, but I’ve always felt that’s what you should be getting if you are going to invest a 1st round pick on a QB.

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[quote=SkinzWin;1274069]Maybe I’m wrong. I’ve been reading up on him some more and apparently he cataloged all of the Alabama playbooks he ever had last off season, regularly works with his girlfriend to diagram plays at night she calls out to him at the facility and had his high school coach fly in to help him work on developing his deep throws this past off season, which is well documented he did well with this year. I’ll be the first to own up for being too harsh in my surface level assessment of him.

I just can’t get away from feeling like we would be wasting a first round pick on a QB that doesn’t appear to have elite QB traits. Maybe I’m wrong, but I’ve always felt that’s what you should be getting if you are going to invest a 1st round pick on a QB.[/quote]

Who knows maybe he drops to the late 1st round or 2nd. He did look impressive during the championship game, his stats were ridiculous. Let's see if he plays in the Senior Bowl and how he performs.

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[url]https://www.hogshaven.com/2021/1/14/22228713/washington-football-team-2021-mock-off-season?utm_campaign=hogshaven&utm_content=chorus&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter[/url]

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1274105][url]https://www.hogshaven.com/2021/1/14/22228713/washington-football-team-2021-mock-off-season?utm_campaign=hogshaven&utm_content=chorus&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter[/url][/quote]

I could live with that scenario.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1274109]I could live with that scenario.[/quote]

Yeah I think 19 is worth Stafford and the FA class would be great additions