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[quote=SkinsGuru;1275569]probably because chances are low we can get Stafford . . . too many better qualified teams will be looking (Patriots, 49ers, Colts, Rams), so why would he come here?[/quote]

Our Defense is better than all of those teams other than LAR.. Also the Rams would take a big chunk to eat Goff's salary

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[quote=EdmundDorf;1275555]If we trade for Stafford we won't have a first round pick[/quote]

Most likely true.

But if we did somehow keep the pick, I'd say no, we don't need to draft a QB in round 1 if we got Stafford. Stafford/Heinicke and or Allen would be sufficient for next 2 years.

If we signed or traded for a lower tier QB, I'd say yes to drafting a QB.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1275567]What if we get Golloday back with Stafford, we send them a first and a third this year and a 3rd next year and they send Stafford and Golloday[/quote]

Golladay is an UFA. We can just sign him - if a deal can get done.

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[quote=SkinsGuru;1275569]probably because chances are low we can get Stafford . . . too many better qualified teams will be looking (Patriots, 49ers, Colts, Rams), so why would he come here?[/quote]

Ian Rapoport is saying that a third of the league has called Detroit to inquire about what it will take to trade for Matthew Stafford.

I don't think he has a say in where he goes, like Watson with the no trade clause. It will come down to the highest bidder.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1275581]Ian Rapoport is saying that a third of the league has called Detroit to inquire about what it will take to trade for Matthew Stafford.

I don't think he has a say in where he goes, like Watson with the no trade clause. It will come down to the highest bidder.[/quote]

He has a say in that any team trading for him will want to be assured that he'll be open to signing a longer term deal to stay there beyond just the two years remaining on his deal.

When negotiations get serious, teams vying for his services will ask to talk contract with Stafford's team. They'll want to make sure all parties are happy.

So if he says, hey I can't stop you from trading me to the Jets, but I'm not signing there long term, the Jets likely offer less to the Lions at that point. Stafford definitely has influence in the process.

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[quote=MTK;1275558]I think you're underselling Stafford and the value of having a legit QB to go along with this growing defense, but anyway, given our brilliant W/L record since 1991 how is winning a few more division titles at the very least, a bad thing?[/quote]

It is not but i am being devils advocate.

Do we try to build to a long term winner or a flash in the pan NFC east champ for a few years?

The ULTIMATE question is is Stafford the piece that pushes our needle to Super Bowl contender. My gut says no.

I rather trade a bunch of assets get Watson then build around a 25 year old stud QB. That in the short term may move us back a step where in the short term with the Stafford trade moves us forward a step or two.

Look at Tampa Bay once Brady is injured or retires they are toast. All their chips lie with him.

BUT one could argue the NFL is a NOW league and long term plans in the NFL are non existent.

If you go the Stafford route you got go find weapons to place around him that can produce now.

My overall point is Stafford alone doesn't really get us anywhere special just not in the basement where we have lived so long.

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If I'm a Tampa fan I could care less about what happens after Brady especially if he wins a SB or two.

If Watson is really available I'd definitely make a big push for him, no question. Doesn't seem likely though so that's why most are focused on Stafford.

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[quote=Schneed10;1275584]He has a say in that any team trading for him will want to be assured that he'll be open to signing a longer term deal to stay there beyond just the two years remaining on his deal.

When negotiations get serious, teams vying for his services will ask to talk contract with Stafford's team. They'll want to make sure all parties are happy.

So if he says, hey I can't stop you from trading me to the Jets, but I'm not signing there long term, the Jets likely offer less to the Lions at that point. Stafford definitely has influence in the process.[/quote]

Oh, he definitely has influence, I'm just saying he doesn't hold the same leverage that D Watson does. Ultimately if a team wants him, and pays Detroit's price, it's a done deal.

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[QUOTE=EdmundDorf;1275555]If we trade for Stafford we won't have a first round pick[/QUOTE]



That is such a good point. Lol

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[quote=MTK;1275588]If I'm a Tampa fan I could care less about what happens after Brady especially if he wins a SB or two.

If Watson is really available I'd definitely make a big push for him, no question. Doesn't seem likely though so that's why most are focused on Stafford.[/quote]

We've been waiting for the future since 1991. Let's make a damn move.

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[QUOTE=sdskinsfan2001;1275596]We've been waiting for the future since 1991. Let's make a damn move.[/QUOTE]And we built the team for this type move. The holes that exist, other than QB, are doable with FA, and solid mid round drafting. Sure everyone wants a stud at every position, but only a few positions really require a stud, and only 1(QB) is demonstratably more important than the rest.

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I need to see Redskins One gassing up and flying between Detroit, Houston and Green Bay in a no fly zone pattern in order to land one of these QB

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1275604]And [B]we built the team for this type move[/B]. The holes that exist, other than QB, are doable with FA, and solid mid round drafting. Sure everyone wants a stud at every position, but only a few positions really require a stud, and only 1(QB) is demonstratably more important than the rest.

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This is what I wish people would understand. We have an amazing core of young players and we need a QB to get us over the hump. We also need to take advantage of being in a division where the rest of the teams are in QB disarray, have aging players, and/or have no cap room. We get Watson, Dak, or Stafford, we are immediate favorites to be division champs again.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1275571]Our Defense is better than all of those teams other than LAR.. Also the Rams would take a big chunk to eat Goff's salary[/quote]

Not sure i agree with that . . . 49ers defense was missing their best player in Bosa (their Young) and quite a few others. They were a superbowl team that almost won the year before. They also have far better WR's than us, one of the the best TE's in the league, and a great running game (all 3 things we are missing).

Colts, same thing, much better offense skill players, great offensive line, great running game, good WR's. And a stellar defense that IMO like the 49ers is still ahead of ours. Definitely more consistent for now.

That being said, our defense is close to both of those teams, but our offense is not.

PLUS . . . which teams have a reputation of being run better? The colts, the 49ers or the Redskins? yeah, not close as we are considered one of the worse run franchises in all of spots. One year made us look better, but us fans were so used to BAD that decent seems great to us. Others don't wear those same burgundy and gold glasses when the look at our team.

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I also think the time is now .. not the get crazy and sign Bruce Smith/Deion Sanders type now ... but the find a top 15 QB and add 2-3 starters in FA type crazy.

Chris Russell did give a cautionary tale last night on radio. If you think you found the right guy, you do anything to get him.

But youd better be right.

Goff - 4 yrs 134M
Wentz - 4/128
Jimmy G - 5/137.5

We cant Alex Smith ourselves again.

We have to get this right. Lots of options and weighing of pros and cons.

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[quote=Chico23231;1275607]I need to see[B] Redskins One[/B] gassing up and flying between Detroit, Houston and Green Bay in a no fly zone pattern in order to land one of these QB[/quote]
Washington Football Plane

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[quote=jamf;1275614]Washington Football Plane[/quote]

Can we put missiles on it to shoot down other team planes who maybe attempting to steal our QB?

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If you get Stafford, you need to get a LT and LG.
No point in getting him if you aren't going to give him the time he needs to throw deep.

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Potential landing spots (including us):

[url]https://www.si.com/nfl/lions/news/lions-matthew-stafford-top-3-landing-spots[/url]

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1275658]Potential landing spots (including us):

[url]https://www.si.com/nfl/lions/news/lions-matthew-stafford-top-3-landing-spots[/url][/quote]

Yeah this is the best way to look at the stafford possibly...draft capital and salary cap BUT you have to take into account team management.

First thing, what teams will give up first round picks? I’d say Washington, Bears and Indy (last year moved a first for Buckner). Raiders.

San Francisco and New England seem to be less willing to move a first...more disciplined and I actually think both will be looking strongly at the draft for QB.

Would Denver move 9th overall pick? I doubt it.

Who has the cap? Most do mentioned above except Bears...their are over and would take way too much cutting...they are probably out. Denver could cut Kareem Jackson and von Miller to get there. San Fran would cut Jimmy g, no brainer..but they are still kinda up against. Raiders will have to do some cutting, but could get there...and they are up against it as well.

I really think it comes down to Washington and Indy. New England isn’t trading a first...San Francisco most likely would not part with a first. I doubt Denver gives up 9th overall. Wildcard could be the Raiders. Bears don’t have the cap room.

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[quote=MTK;1275547]Honestly how is trading for Stafford even a debate? Just get it done.[/quote]

It's a debate. He's not nearly as good as some make him out to be. Wake me when he wins something.

I'd take him. No way I'm giving a 1st. Yeah, I know there'll be competition, blah blah blah. Cool. Let those other teams piss away a high pick on an injury-prone 33 year old. With back problems no less.

Offer 74. See what happens.

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[quote=simbosargos75;1275713]It's a debate. He's not nearly as good as some make him out to be. Wake me when he wins something.

I'd take him. No way I'm giving a 1st. Yeah, I know there'll be competition, blah blah blah. Cool. Let those other teams piss away a high pick on an injury-prone 33 year old. With back problems no less.

Offer 74. See what happens.[/quote]

He's been on one of the most piss poorly run franchises in all of sports. I doubt anyone else would have had much more success there in Detroit. As for injuries he's started all 16 games in 9 of his 12 seasons and 1 of those 3 that he didn't was his rookie year.

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If you want to measure Stafford by the Lions success, then maybe Barry Sanders shouldn't be in the HoF?

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[quote=AnonEmouse;1275718]If you want to measure Stafford by the Lions success, then maybe Barry Sanders shouldn't be in the HoF?[/quote]

So now he's Barry Sanders level?

Anyway, I think people wildly overrate Stafford.

Let someone else make the mistake. Back problems scare the hell out of me since I have them myself. I know they're not all the same of course, but I would pass on Stafford at the price that's being talked about.

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[quote=simbosargos75;1275757]So now he's Barry Sanders level?

Anyway, I think people wildly overrate Stafford.

Let someone else make the mistake. Back problems scare the hell out of me since I have them myself. I know they're not all the same of course, but I would pass on Stafford at the price that's being talked about.[/quote]

He's a top 15 QB consistently. Better than what we've had in years. Is he Elite? No but he can win you 11 games or so with our defense

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If they overrate Stafford it is pretty much the entire league that overrates him. At his age the starting point in trades appears to be a 1st and a 3rd. It is going to go up from there.

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[quote=simbosargos75;1275757]So now he's Barry Sanders level?

Anyway, I think people wildly overrate Stafford.

Let someone else make the mistake. Back problems scare the hell out of me since I have them myself. I know they're not all the same of course, but I would pass on Stafford at the price that's being talked about.[/quote]

You didn't read what I wrote. If you measure Staffords success by the Lions results, then you'd have to measure Sanders in the same way. Put either in a better organisation and they would breed a winning team. Yes we've been dysfunctional for ages, but this year has shown that with the right approach and Snyder keeping his hands off, we can contend. A QB of his level on this team and that's at least 3-4 more wins last season, let alone next year with more holes filled.

Put it another way. Look around the NFC East. Possibly with the exception of Dak, would you take Stafford over any other QB in the division? I doubt you say no.

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[quote=simbosargos75;1275713]Let those other teams piss away a high pick on an [SIZE="4"]injury-prone[/SIZE] 33 year old. With back problems no less.

[/quote]

That's just false.

In Stafford's last 10 seasons, only one did he not play all 16 games.

2011 - 16 games
2012 - 16 games
2013 - 16 games
2014 - 16 games
2015 - 16 games
2016 - 16 games
2017 - 16 games
2018 - 16 games
2019 - 8 games
2020 - 16 games


Look for yourself: [url]https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/S/StafMa00.htm[/url]


And in the last 7 seasons, the most INTs he's thrown is 13. Any team could use a QB that durable and that efficient with the football.

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I’m going to repeat myself for the benefit of simbosargos. Since 2011, no QB has more game winning drives than Stafford.

Matt Stafford is tied for 7th all time, with John Elway, for 4th quarter comebacks.

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It's starting to look like WFT isn't an option for Stafford

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[QUOTE=Schneed10;1275971]I’m going to repeat myself for the benefit of simbosargos. Since 2011, no QB has more game winning drives than Stafford.

Matt Stafford is tied for 7th all time, with John Elway, for 4th quarter comebacks.[/QUOTE]


He’s overlooked because he played in Detroit

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If we somehow land Stafford, I hope it isn't because we overpaid.

We have a crap ton of needs. Stafford would be excellent, but not after a bidding war for his services.

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[quote=Schneed10;1275971]I’m going to repeat myself for the benefit of simbosargos. Since 2011, no QB has more game winning drives than Stafford.

Matt Stafford is tied for 7th all time, with John Elway, for 4th quarter comebacks.[/quote]

Believe it or not, Carr has led game-winning drives at a higher rate than Stafford thus far in his career. Stafford has 38 in 12 years, Carr 24 in 7 years. In the last 3 years, Carr has 11, Stafford 7.

Same with 4th quarter come-backs. Stafford 31 in 12 years, Carr 21 in 7 years.

Both have displayed this ability, but somehow Carr has been overlooked. Yeah, I'd like to see us get Stafford, but Carr wouldn't be a bad get at all, especially considering the likely trade-cost difference.

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"Matt Stafford's preference is to go West - like the Rams or 49ers - but he may end up heading East, maybe Washington or Carolina." - @AlbertBreer

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1275988]"Matt Stafford's preference is to go West - like the Rams or 49ers - but he may end up heading East, maybe Washington or Carolina." - @AlbertBreer[/QUOTE]Welp that clarifies the situation.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1275992]Welp that clarifies the situation.

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Exactly. Thanks Mister Obvious.

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[quote=Pervis_Griffith;1275984]If we somehow land Stafford, I hope it isn't because we overpaid.

We have a crap ton of needs. Stafford would be excellent, but not after a bidding war for his services.[/quote]

Whatever team lands him will over pay - that is the market.

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With so many holes we are not in a position to overpay for Stafford.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1276009]With so many holes we are not in a position to overpay for Stafford.[/quote]

This board is all over the place in one thread we are mourning the fact that our uber talented draft guru left after 3 of the best drafts in the NFL where he was only overruled on the QB. In another thread people argue we have so many holes we can't afford to overpay for Stafford.

The truth is we are in a pretty damn good place. We have holes, but KS did a good job of finding players through the draft and the holes we have are manageable. Our cap, even with losing a QB early in his contract, is in the top 10 of the league, and we have a lot of young players to watch. We won't keep them all, but we should have a strong nucleus to watch and enjoy for years. Thank Goodness!!

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Seems like the Rams and SF rumors may have been smoke to try and raise the bidding. Maybe one of them finalizes the trade but SF for sure could have had the deal reviewed and done if they were committed to an at any cost trade.

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