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How long till Riverboat Retard trades 2 first round picks for McCaffrey?

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[quote=jamf;1324406]I was going to post something similar yesterday but I thought it was the tequila talking.
Jay and McVay understood how to call a complete game and how to setup plays.
Turner has no plan. He is picking plays at random and it shows.

I'm going to double down on this and say Rivera with his coaching staff is the worst we've ever had in modern history.

I'd Take Jay and McVay over this bullshit.
I'd also take Zorn and Sherman Smith/Greg Blache over this shitshow.

Rivera Quiet Quit when he got cancer.[/quote]

I have thought about this for awhile and agree with the Zorn comment. RR has been a head coach for a long time. Zorn was thrust into the roll through no fault of his own and wasn't ready for that roll yet he actually had a season that was better than anything Ron has put together here.

Plus I have seen him driving around Westminster in his old hippie truck with a J behind his ear. my kind of man.

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The media is calling Ron out big time over the Wentz bashing. They all see now that he's trying to use everyone as scapegoats

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It is like he is trying to get fired. F it I say if he is miserable make him coach out his contract. Misery loves company and I can outlast his ineptitude.

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1325180]TH sucks , stop saying to put him in. Put in Sam Howell instead


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They absolutely have to play Howell. We are going to have a top 5 pick, and probably a top 3. The top pick is in play. We need to know what we have in Howell. We are going to wind up not knowing if we need to draft a quarterback with our first rounder and it makes no sense. Fire Ron immediately- he is a confused old man yelling at the clouds.

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[quote=punch it in;1325194]They absolutely have to play Howell. We are going to have a top 5 pick, and probably a top 3. The top pick is in play. We need to know what we have in Howell. We are going to wind up not knowing if we need to draft a quarterback with our first rounder and it makes no sense. Fire Ron immediately- he is a confused old man yelling at the clouds.[/quote]

I disagree - I say let Howell sit this year, bring in a high first rounder next year and promote Howell to primary backup. We're gonna need him anyways for injury purposes.

Howell might have "it" but you aren't gonna find out if a rookie 5th round qb has "it" 5 games into his rookie season. That's a guy that is going to take multiple seasons to learn and develop. And we're wasting his rookie year on a lame duck head coach - best case scenario next year he has to learn another new system.

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are we the worse team in the league ? if we have any chance of having a half way decent season we must win thursday night or its over already.R.R hand picked the players and coaches this is all on him simple as that i don,t even know if mayhew could fire him even if he wanted too i believe ron as cart blache over eveyone but snyder, dan won,t fire him he is trying to stat out of spotlight this year and next but after that then i say he would its going to be another long 2 seasons with this shit show

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[/QUOTE]Howell might have "it" but you aren't gonna find out if a rookie 5th round qb has "it" 5 games into his rookie season. That's a guy that is going to take multiple seasons to learn and develop. And we're wasting his rookie year on a lame duck head coach - best case scenario next year he has to learn another new system.[/QUOTE]

I agree. We have a long history of mishandling young qb’s and other top prospects. Forget this year. We’ve got to try to get back to a player drafting and development process that isn’t driven by desperation and FO/coaching turnover. Plus whatever Wentz’s problems, play-calling, clock mismanagement and piss-poor OL development are reducing his potential effectiveness by at least 20%.

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[QUOTE=mooby;1325195]I disagree - I say let Howell sit this year, bring in a high first rounder next year and promote Howell to primary backup. We're gonna need him anyways for injury purposes.

Howell might have "it" but you aren't gonna find out if a rookie 5th round qb has "it" 5 games into his rookie season. That's a guy that is going to take multiple seasons to learn and develop. And we're wasting his rookie year on a lame duck head coach - best case scenario next year he has to learn another new system.[/QUOTE]


But….we might see enough in Howell over 12 games to know we do not need to spend a top 3 pick on a quarterback. It isn’t like we couldn’t use that pick on thevo line or secondary.

I just don’t see the point of letting Howell sit? What is he going to do lose? Guess what we do that with or without him. This season isn’t hanging in the balance. It is gone, done, finished as far as the post season is concerned.
Are we going to ruin his psyche? I mean if the plan is draft a quarterback high next year and make Howell a backup then we are sitting our future backup to protect him? That is a luxury most teams don’t worry about even if they can afford to. We can’t afford to. Nor should we worry about it. Best case scenario is play Howell, like what we see, and spend our top pick on protection or a shutdown corner. To know we have the guy, which is possible over 12 games, and spend those picks to solidify our team is the quickest way to fixing this. If we aren’t sure after 12 games then so be it - we take a top qb and see what happens. I do not think itbis crazy to say Howell can be better then TH or CW. I would honestly take serviceable and other pieces around him then what the hell we have now. Let him develop on the field while we build around him like so many other teams do. It would be a breath of fresh air win or lose to see a young quarterback develope with a plan in place to build around him. Keep TH as the backup. But protecting a guy you consider to be a backup is not an option.

Playing a rookie isn’t mishandling him HTTR, trading a young one away instead of paying him or playing him on a broken leg - that is mishandling him. Pats did it, bears did it, steelers are doing it. Lots of other more successful teams do it and have done it - unless Brady, or Rodgers, or Montana are at the helm. We don’t have that problem. Lol

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[quote=punch it in;1325209]But….we might see enough in Howell over 12 games to know we do not need to spend a top 3 pick on a quarterback. It isn’t like we couldn’t use that pick on thevo line or secondary.

I just don’t see the point of letting Howell sit? What is he going to do lose? Guess what we do that with or without him. This season isn’t hanging in the balance. It is gone, done, finished as far as the post season is concerned.
Are we going to ruin his psyche? I mean if the plan is draft a quarterback high next year and make Howell a backup then we are sitting our future backup to protect him? That is a luxury most teams don’t worry about even if they can afford to. We can’t afford to. Nor should we worry about it. Best case scenario is play Howell, like what we see, and spend our top pick on protection or a shutdown corner. To know we have the guy, which is possible over 12 games, and spend those picks to solidify our team is the quickest way to fixing this. If we aren’t sure after 12 games then so be it - we take a top qb and see what happens. But protecting a guy you consider to be a backup is not an option.

Playing a rookie isn’t mishandling him HTTR, trading one away instead of paying him or playing him on a broken leg - that is mishandling him. Pats did it, bears did it, steelers are doing it. Lots of other more successful teams do it and have done it - unless Brady, or Rodgers, or Montana are at the helm. We don’t have that problem. Lol[/quote]

Ideal situation:

- Howell is a keeper.
- Draft a LT to protect him for the next 5-10 years.
- Let Leno and Cosmi battle it out for RT. Loser starts at one of the G spots and/or becomes the swing tackle.
- Spend all other picks on OL, secondary, LB.

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[QUOTE=sdskinsfan2001;1325210]Ideal situation:

- Howell is a keeper.
- Draft a LT to protect him for the next 5-10 years.
- Let Leno and Cosmi battle it out for RT. Loser starts at one of the G spots and/or becomes the swing tackle.
- Spend all other picks on OL, secondary, LB.[/QUOTE]


Yup. Only one way to find out without possibly wasting a pick. You dont plan around a future backup though. We dont have the time for such lunacy. Lol

PS how could i forget lb. Lb, secondary, oline - draft draft fa fa and draft and fa again for those areas. Pray im the meantime Howell is good enough to be thrown into the fire. SF I believe said he things the guy has that kind of moxie. We need to find out.

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Howell is a 5th rounder who looked decent in pre season.

Most 5th rounders look decent in the pre season going against soon-to-be grocery store employees and vanilla defenses.

Wentz will be injured soon enough and Heinike will come in, give us a spark for a few games. Maybe Howell comes in last few weeks .. after hes had a few weeks prepping as the no. 2.

Howell talk 5 games in is unrealistic imo.

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[QUOTE=njant;1325196]are we the worse team in the league ? if we have any chance of having a half way decent season we must win thursday night or its over already.R.R hand picked the players and coaches this is all on him simple as that i don,t even know if mayhew could fire him even if he wanted too i believe ron as cart blache over eveyone but snyder, dan won,t fire him he is trying to stat out of spotlight this year and next but after that then i say he would its going to be another long 2 seasons with this shit show[/QUOTE]


I think it’s between us and the Raiders. But at least none of our players have pushed down a camera man yet.


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[QUOTE=SunnySide;1325212]Howell is a 5th rounder who looked decent in pre season.

Most 5th rounders look decent in the pre season going against soon-to-be grocery store employees and vanilla defenses.

Wentz will be injured soon enough and Heinike will come in, give us a spark for a few games. Maybe Howell comes in last few weeks .. after hes had a few weeks prepping as the no. 2.

Howell talk 5 games in is unrealistic imo.[/QUOTE]


Happens all the time though.
Bailey Zappe looks ok. There are a long listvof guys drafted after the third round that have started their rookie seasons. Many have found success.

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Howell isn't going to make the OL better. No point in putting him in until Cosmi, Larsen and Schweitzer are all back and you have benched Norwell.

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[QUOTE=EdmundDorf;1325216]Howell isn't going to make the OL better. No point in putting him in until Cosmi, Larsen and Schweitzer are all back and you have benched Norwell.[/QUOTE]


He is much more mobile then wentz and probably doesn’t hold the ball for 7 seconds. He will make it better. Optical illusion or not. Lol

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[quote=punch it in;1325215]Happens all the time though.
Bailey Zappe looks ok. There are a long listvof guys drafted after the third round that have started their rookie seasons. Many have found success.[/quote]

I have to disagree about Zappe. He looks like a late round pick that is going to manage a game and throw on third and long or on prescribed short routes. There is nothing wrong with that Bill is a great coach and will maximize that to its highest potential.

If we had a Bill coach I would, without equivocations, want Howell to start because from what I have seen of him he can do what Zappe is doing but I wouldn't trust him with much else.

I am torn about starting him. Regardless of how he performs I still think we take a QB with the one, but I think starting him buys more time for Ron. The people that would fire him are dumb enough to buy the excuses he will create by starting him. The flip side is you have to see what he can do against defensive players that are currently not working at Del taco or the Apple genius bar so hee needs to play in a regular season game.

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I'm not going to lose my mind over Howell not starting. But at the pace we're going, I just don't see any reason not to start him for at least half the season. Let the kid play and see what we have. I think he is going to be good. I would hate to not play him all season, then draft another QB, who might not work out, while the whole time sitting on someone that could have been a solid starter for us.

I'm not as high on the QBs in this draft as most seem to be (not necessarily here, just what I've heard in general). I like Stroud, but for whatever reason, OSU QB's just don't pan out in the NFL. So I'd be extremely nervous about picking him even though I think he's a really good QB.

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Ron Rivera says he caused a distraction and has talked with Carson Wentz - "I told the guys that I should know better. Shit, I had a bad day."

Haha he's backtracking because he got lit up by the media.

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[QUOTE=BaltimoreSkins;1325218]I have to disagree about Zappe. He looks like a late round pick that is going to manage a game and throw on third and long or on prescribed short routes. There is nothing wrong with that Bill is a great coach and will maximize that to its highest potential.

If we had a Bill coach I would, without equivocations, want Howell to start because from what I have seen of him he can do what Zappe is doing but I wouldn't trust him with much else.

I am torn about starting him. Regardless of how he performs I still think we take a QB with the one, but I think starting him buys more time for Ron. The people that would fire him are dumb enough to buy the excuses he will create by starting him. The flip side is you have to see what he can do against defensive players that are currently not working at Del taco or the Apple genius bar so hee needs to play in a regular season game.[/QUOTE]


Point taken about our staff. We would fuck up Josh Allen, that being said Ron is a dead man walking. Leaving him out of the equation I need to see what we got with Howell. Zappe was just an example of a late round pick playing his rookie season. Like I said there are others. Hopefully Ron is thinking about the team and its future, like an adult, and not about buying himself time. Even if he is Wentz aint cutting it and Taylor is who Taylor is. You plug Howell in - an RR draftpick - and he plays well - well then you have bought yourself some time …. Maybe.
I would hate to take a qb with the one and find out Howell is a gamer. Best case scenario Howell is the guy and we take lb, lt, or cb with the 1. If there was ever a time to find out it is this season- not only do we stink but the usual hope we win a weak division isn’t an option. This season is over. Play the kid.

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[quote=punch it in;1325215]Happens all the time though.
Bailey Zappe looks ok. [B]There are a long listvof guys drafted after the third round that have started their rookie seasons. Many have found success.[/B][/quote]

Such as?

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[quote=mooby;1325249]Such as?[/quote]

There is ah , then also you know and oh oh don’t forget about that other guy. I could go on all day.

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[QUOTE=mooby;1325249]Such as?[/QUOTE]


SS said Howell talk five games in is unrealistic. I said it happens all the time, meaning later round picks see starting action at some point in their rookie season- not that they start the season as the 1.

Also when I said “many have found success” i meant that they weren’t ruined by being thrown into the fire - found success eventually not necessarily immediately.

Bad wording on my part.

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[quote=mooby;1325249]Such as?[/quote]

Dak Prescott and that's where that ends.

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[quote=mooby;1325249]Such as?[/quote]

Gus Frerotte!

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[quote=DynamiteRave;1325213]I think it’s between us and the Raiders. But at least none of our players have pushed down a camera man yet.


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the clown of a coach the raiders have might be worse then are head coach,that,s even more pathetic

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the team needs to start figuring out who the QB of the future is as well get some damm good guards more good DB,s and two new cordinators and a good head coach

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[quote=njant;1325264]the team needs to start figuring out who the QB of the future is as well get some damm good guards more good DB,s and two new cordinators and a good head coach[/quote]

...and a new owner.

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Howell is most likely a who-cares quarterback, but our season is done, so there's no harm in giving him a chance to show us something.

If this year is teaching me anything, it's how shockingly hard it is to go 0-16 (17).

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Ron gets all mad now at the media acting like he's some hard ass lol dude stop cussing up there it doesn't make u look cool. You built this team and in year 3 its still garbage

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I guess im in the minority or alone here .. but good for Ron.

I personally dont think the Wentz decision was Snyder's meddling. From what reported, Ron went to Snyder and made the sales pitch and Snyder was all on board.

I think Rons pissed at the timing.

He screwed up on the "quarterback" answer, admitted it, apologized, had a team meeting and I think every one in the locker room wanted to move on

and then this unsourced rumor report comes out the next day

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if Ron knows that he made the Wentz decision .. he has every right to be pissed at some made up rumor report that only seems to be done to stir some more shit up.

I think Ron is getting pissed this off field stuff is leaking into the locker room stuff and he is speaking up for his players.

The players - wentz, allen, terry - everyone shouldnt have to deal with all the shit going on outside .. and then some made up rumor shit re in locker room relationships is thrown out there when we are trying to put out fires?

Good for Ron.

Rally around the family with a pocket full of shells.

Fuck everyone not in the locker room.

Job is starting to wear on him, he didnt look "good" last night. I wouldnt be surprised if he steps away after this year if this continues.

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RR was hired to quell the drama that this club always finds itself in. That he’s now part of the drama, that tells you (1) it’s the franchise that causes it, not the hired hands, and (2) Ron’s days are numbered.

I’m no psychologist, but my theory is in this organization you end up having to lie for and about Dan Snyder. That’s soul-crushing and makes you spout nonsense.

We started with a nice-guy mediocre coach, and now we a have a mediocre coach going off the rails.

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[quote=HTTR;1325936]RR was hired to quell the drama that this club always finds itself in. That he’s now part of the drama, that tells you (1) it’s the franchise that causes it, not the hired hands, and (2) Ron’s days are numbered.

I’m no psychologist, but my theory is in this organization you end up having to lie for and about Dan Snyder. That’s soul-crushing and makes you spout nonsense.

We started with a nice-guy mediocre coach, and now we a have a mediocre [B]coach going off the rails[/B].[/quote]

Agreed but I think Ron is trying to be the teflon, the protective shell for the locker room here. Outside stuff is leaking in, he said the players hear all of it, and I think he wants that locker room to be a vault or space where that outside noise cant come in.

Then he put foot and mouth leaving a leaking crack in the locker room shell and now the report is trying to pour gas on Rons "quarterback" comment

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[quote=SunnySide;1325940]Agreed but [B]I think Ron is trying to be the teflon, the protective shell for the locker room here. Outside stuff is leaking in, he said the players hear all of it, and I think he wants that locker room to be a vault or space where that outside noise cant come in.[/B]

Then he put foot and mouth leaving a leaking crack in the locker room shell and now the report is trying to pour gas on Rons "quarterback" comment[/quote]

If that is true then RR is trying to do the impossible. In today's world, news is instantaneously accessible on the cellphones the players carry. Not to mention that the players practically live on twitter.

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I think Rons reaction the last couple of weeks is down to his sudden realisation of what everyone on the outside have been saying for some time, its year 3 and the team sucks.

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Ron's in over his head and it is so obvious.

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I think anyone who comes here to be the head coach is in over their head, and he has taken on a lot more than that. I'm sure it's all wearing on him, and being 2-4 certainly doesn't help.

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The only thing that could change our future is a new owner. We’ve seen everything fail. There is no savior that can work with Snyder.

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He better turn it around or we are acrewed.

[url]https://www.audacy.com/theteam980/sports/washington-commanders/play-and-money-will-factor-into-commanders-rivera-decision[/url]

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Is Ron back next year?