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[quote=SmootSmack;688588]That's a fair assessment. I wouldn't say that Plan B is to trade Haynesworth, but I would say that you're right on Plan A and that Plan A is moving slower than hoped[/quote]

Ok cool, thanks for the clarification. Either way, it seems like the skins objective is to acquire more draft picks and/or specific players who fit the teams offensive and defensive systems and theyre willing to do go to measures some would consider extreme to accomplish that goal.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;688601]While your analogy might apply to someone like Chris Cooley (who hasnt been shopped at all as far as we know), i dont thinkit applies here. [I]Before[/I] word got out that we were actively shopping Haynesworth, I would agree with you. However, as I said before, now that words out, it really doesnt make a difference. In fact, if we really realy want to move haynesworth, the best thing we can do is sit back and see who approaches us. At this point, actively shopping Haynesworth would make us appear desperate and result in us having to accept something far below value for Haynesworth.[/quote]

I think you're missing the point. Prior to paying him 21M as a bonus, the Skins were actively shopping AH [I]to avoid the huge cash payment[/I]. If we could have made that trade, DS saves 21M. Any team taking him would have to pay the 21M and so he was not particularly attractive financially.

After making the bonus payment (the reason we were shopping him), the impetus to trade him is gone. Now, if someone gives us a call and says "Hey, we'll give you a 2nd for Haynesworth" we'll think about it.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;688629]I think you're missing the point. Prior to paying him 21M as a bonus, the Skins were actively shopping AH [I]to avoid the huge cash payment[/I]. If we could have made that trade, DS saves 21M. Any team taking him would have to pay the 21M and so he was not particularly attractive financially.

After making the bonus payment (the reason we were shopping him), the impetus to trade him is gone. Now, if someone gives us a call and says "Hey, we'll give you a 2nd for Haynesworth" we'll think about it.[/quote]

i think youre missing the point. Neither Shanahan nor Allen were part of the front office that decided to sign Haynesworth. They don't care how much money he's being paid and they got approval from Snyder to do what they wanted, irreguardless of the financial aspect.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;688640]i think youre missing the point. Neither Shanahan nor Allen were part of the front office that decided to sign Haynesworth. They don't care how much money he's being paid and they got approval from Snyder to do what they wanted, [B]irreguardless[/B] of the financial aspect.[/quote]

Love that word. :)

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They may not care how much he gets paid, but to assert that a 21M payout has no effect on their business decisions seems to be carrying their nonchalance to an extreme.

No, they don't have a vested interest in retaining AH as they aren't the ones who made the financial commitment to him. HOWEVER, it seemed to me that the reports from Schefter and such were that the Skins were shopping him at a bit of discount to avoid the 21M. It seems to me the only actual hard report of the Skins "shopping" AH came before the bonus payout. After the bonus payment, to my knowledge, there hasn't been a single solid report that the Skins have called any one and said - "Hey- will you give us an ____ rounder for AH". Rather, just some odd speculation that he's still available stemming from the Philly offer and AH's dissatisfaction with playng in a 3-4.

That's the point of CRedskins' analogy. We'll trade him for the right offer - but the right offer now is different then the one that would have saved us 21 Million.

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mm can i get a bid here, a bid there, who who who wants to bid, 25 to you sir can I get 30? 30 anyone thirty, thirty to the man with the hat, can I get 35? 35 can I get 35? let me hear 35? Going going gone.

Sold: fat ass overpriced B for 30 cartons of Kool. Please come up and collect your fat assed B.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;688667]They may not care how much he gets paid, but to assert that a 21M payout has no effect on their business decisions seems to be carrying their nonchalance to an extreme.

No, they don't have a vested interest in retaining AH as they aren't the ones who made the financial commitment to him. HOWEVER, it seemed to me that the reports from Schefter and such were that the Skins were shopping him at a bit of discount to avoid the 21M. It seems to me the only actual hard report of the Skins "shopping" AH came before the bonus payout. After the bonus payment, to my knowledge, there hasn't been a single solid report that the Skins have called any one and said - "Hey- will you give us an ____ rounder for AH". Rather, just some odd speculation that he's still available stemming from the Philly offer and AH's dissatisfaction with playng in a 3-4.

That's the point of CRedskins' analogy. We'll trade him for the right offer - but the right offer now is different then the one that would have saved us 21 Million.[/quote]

of course its different. before, we would have had to trade him at a discount, since the team receiving him would have had to pay him an absurd amount of money. now, we can trade him for more, since teams will not have to pay him the 21MM and he'll be extremely affordable for the next 3 years. A cheap team like Tampa or Detroit will most certainly be more interested in him now. Regardless, none of that changes the fact that Shanahan doesnt really want him on the team. If he did, he never would have been shopped in the first place. (the financial side of things works both ways. its a small part of the equation).

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I hope we don't trade him this season.

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[quote=davy;688663]Love that word. :)[/quote]

Ha ha. It is one thing to use a double negative, it is another thing to misspell a double negative!

J/k BHA

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LOL, i'm off today. i spelled smoot's name incorrectly and i dont think he appreciated it. :)

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;688677]of course its different. before, we would have had to trade him at a discount, since the team receiving him would have had to pay him an absurd amount of money. now, we can trade him for more, since teams will not have to pay him the 21MM and he'll be extremely affordable for the next 3 years. A cheap team like Tampa or Detroit will most certainly be more interested in him now. Regardless, none of that changes the fact that Shanahan doesnt really want him on the team. If he did, he never would have been shopped in the first place. (the financial side of things works both ways. its a small part of the equation).[/quote]

At this point, I am not sure how we disagree. Before bonus, willing to trade at a discount. After bonus, no discount. Both before and after bonus, Shanahan not a big fan of AH and is willing to get rid of him for the right price. Also, before and after bonus, not gonna just give one of the most, if not the most, talented DL player in the league away.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;688691]At this point, I am not sure how we disagree. Before bonus, willing to trade at a discount. After bonus, no discount. Both before and after bonus, Shanahan not a big fan of AH and is willing to get rid of him for the right price. Also, before and after bonus, not gonna just give one of the most, if not the most, talented DL player in the league away.[/quote]

well then i dont know where we truly disagree unless its just in terms of what it'll actually take for us to trade haynesworth. but i'd be shocked if he's on the roster 10 days from now. shanahan wants him gone. ultimately, i'd say if can we get a pick at the top of the 2nd round in 2010 or a 1st rounder in 2011, he's gone.

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Whoa, so let me get this straight. Our coaching staff should stay with the 4-3 to accommodate one guy who's getting attitudinal by the minute? If he can't get on board at any costs --literally and figuratively-- I don't want him on this team. I really don't see what's so hard to see about that. Shanny doesn't like the guy and I'm sure, at this point, the feeling is mutual. If the right deal comes along, let's just cut ties and keep it moving.

Over the past several seasons, the Redskins have had stellar defenses with less talent playing at the DT position. So I'm not buying the hype we should shuffle the deck to keep one guy happy. If Haynesworth wants to be happy, ship his tired ass back to Tennessee. Seriously. I'm really getting sick of this whole story.

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[quote=The Goat;688366]Shanny and Bruce seem to already be losing control of the situation. If we can believe earlier reports Albert went into the season (off-season) committing himself to be at the top of his game. I would argue two points: 1) AH at the top of his game is the most dominant defensive player in football 2) that fact should be enough reason to build the effing defense around him i.e. keep the 4-3 and improve on what we've got.

[B]Instead Shanny/Haslett/Allen have decided to force a scheme for which we don't even have the personnel. And because they effed up the trade w/ the Eagles it seems inevitable we'll lose our best player on the roster.[/B]

What is really frustrating about this is the simple fact we're not likely to stick w/ whatever Shanny and Haslett think they're doing anyway. Haslett is a mediocre to sub-par coach. His units have never impressed. And Shanny has a penchant for kicking DCs to the curb even when they perform well (some of his DCs in Denver produced top 10 defenses but still got axed). That's pure ego IMO. So Haslett is likely gone in a year and we start all over again defensively.[/quote] If we trade Haynesworth for peanuts after giving him $30M, then revert back to the 4-3 after a year of spotty results in the 3-4, then Shanahan should have lots of explaining to do.

Haynesworth is what he is - a dominant player when given the freedom to play the way [I][B]he[/B] [/I]wants to, but a pain in the ass if you ask him to do anything outside his comfort zone.

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[quote=SouperMeister;688716]If we trade Haynesworth for peanuts after giving him $30M, then revert back to the 4-3 after a year of spotty results in the 3-4, then Shanahan should have lots of explaining to do.

Haynesworth is what he is - a dominant player when given the freedom to play the way [I][B]he[/B] [/I]wants to, but a pain in the ass if you ask him to do anything outside his comfort zone.[/quote]

I agree.
I would rather have a roster full of talented players that make the playoffs more times than not, make an occasional SB and that [B]do not attend [/B]any of the off season voluntary programs than a bunch boyscout type players that get pushed around.
Dave Butz and John Riggins did their own thing, never attended any of the off season programs and they were referred to back them as players that played to the beat of a diffrent drum. Nobody screamed about it because it was ok back then.
Now we got a bunch of whiney coaches and fans that bitch about people that are different.
I am most amazed at some of the misquoted stuff that Haynesworth supposedly said.