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Cutler makes it easy to hate on him. This latest criticism probably isn't fair, but it comes with the territory for him.

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[quote=Mattyk;780212]Cutler makes it easy to hate on him. This latest criticism probably isn't fair, but it comes with the territory for him.[/quote]

[url=http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AmefKE5EG2MicnvjtBA_pDVDubYF?slug=dw-cutlersocialmedia012411]Unprecedented social media attack dooms Cutler - NFL - Yahoo! Sports[/url]

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Cutler may treat this like every other perceived negative issue - with indifference. If I was him, the biggest thing I'd be caring about was what my teammates, coaches, and bears decisionmakers thought. And publicly they appear to be backing him up.

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It's been enjoyable to say the least to see helping after helping of crow being served. Watching all the flak directed at Cutler on Sunday was horrifying. The worst being Phillip Rivers used as a reference, while conviently leaving out the fact that Rivers needed a procedure to help him play That's not to take away from what Rivers did but this absurd idea that Cutler could have gone back the same day. As doctors have pointed out Cutler would have missed around a month worth of games for this same injury and he most certainly wouldn't have been able to play the same day.

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Kinda torn here becuase I'm old school ....play till it falls off or put dirt on it and it will get better school!Yet all we have to do is see how teams and Doctors of teams and trainers are all under scrutiny now ,I think the person people should be looking at is Lovey Smith............if it was his call and I'm hearing it was....he needs to come out and say something.

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[quote=Longtimefan;780217][URL="http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AmefKE5EG2MicnvjtBA_pDVDubYF?slug=dw-cutlersocialmedia012411"]Unprecedented social media attack dooms Cutler - NFL - Yahoo! Sports[/URL][/quote]

Kinda ironic how the players themselves were at the forefront of this, and they are always the first to complain when the media jumps all over them without knowing all the facts.

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[quote=Giantone;780244]Kinda torn here becuase I'm old school ....play till it falls off or put dirt on it and it will get better school!Yet all we have to do is see how teams and Doctors of teams and trainers are all under scrutiny now ,I think the person people should be looking at is Lovey Smith............if it was his call and I'm hearing it was....he needs to come out and say something.[/quote]

I think it's the medical staff's call, not Lovey's. Jay said he wanted to play, but after that first series, they told him to shut it down.


I'm getting a huge laugh at all these nerds (reporters, fans,etc) claiming how he's a pussy and how they would have done this or that. Listen, most of these chumps hating on Cutler call in sick to work when they have a slight head ache, never the less a level 2 sprain MCL trying to play a violent game. That Rivers crap people keep talking about fail to mention that Rivers came out of that game he was actually hurt in. Where was the hate there? He had a procedure and played 6 days later. Stupidly mind you, but he played.

It's a shame the media is the way it is, but it's part of the overall problem our country has.

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[quote=Mattyk;780267]Kinda ironic how the players themselves were at the forefront of this, and they are always the first to complain when the media jumps all over them without knowing all the facts.[/quote]

conflicting maze of verbiage

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[quote=SmootSmack;780191]Regardless of the injury, his demeanor could have been a bit more encouraging to his teammates on the sidelines yesterday. I get that he was frustrated, but that's as good a time as any to rally beside your teammates, particularly the 3rd string QB trying to get you to the Super Bowl[/quote]


[quote=Chico23231;780198]Yeah but that his been MO his entire career...when it comes to body language dude just does the wrong things as well... Immaturity is one of those "intangibles" you get with Cutler as well, you sign up with that when you make that trade[/quote]

How do you guys know what he's doing on the sidelines? You see what 10 secs of Jay Cutler footage on the TV and assume he's doing that the whole game. You guys are worse than the media and Chico you are spewing up talking points from idiot media pundits. Body language? As a person who's studied body language, I can assure you that 99% of the people out there have 0 clue as to being able to read body language on a whole. The problem is the guy doesn't give a shit about the media (much like Barry Bonds), and he gets crucified in the process. Purely sickening.

Also, to have a guy like Deon Sanders question heart or toughness is beyond laughable. This is a jackass that didn't tackle and told others he was paid to break up passes, not tackle. Guy is a complete asshat and probably should shut the **** up.


[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/01/24/pft-live-boomer-doesnt-question-cutlers-toughness/]PFT Live: Boomer doesn’t question Cutler’s toughness | ProFootballTalk[/url]

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[quote=NC_Skins;780270]How do you guys know what he's doing on the sidelines? You see what 10 secs of Jay Cutler footage on the TV and assume he's doing that the whole game. You guys are worse than the media and Chico you are spewing up talking points from idiot media pundits. Body language? As a person who's studied body language, I can assure you that 99% of the people out there have 0 clue as to being able to read body language on a whole. The problem is the guy doesn't give a shit about the media (much like Barry Bonds), and he gets crucified in the process. Purely sickening.

Also, to have a guy like Deon Sanders question heart or toughness is beyond laughable. This is a jackass that didn't tackle and told others he was paid to break up passes, not tackle. Guy is a complete asshat and probably should shut the **** up.


[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/01/24/pft-live-boomer-doesnt-question-cutlers-toughness/]PFT Live: Boomer doesn’t question Cutler’s toughness | ProFootballTalk[/url][/quote]

[url=http://network.yardbarker.com/nfl/article_external/deion_sanders_doesnt_deserve_to_question_bears_qb_jay_cutlers_toughness/4022308]Deion can't question Cutler's toughness[/url]

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The body language thing with Cutler has been well documented. It's not just a fan overreaction, anytime you hear an analyst talk about the guy, they always bring it up. That and the fact he's not known as being a leader.

Heck just this morning on Mike & Mike they asked Herm Edwards if he would want him as his QB if he was coaching. He mentioned the body language and his crappy attitude, and how he's not the type of leader he looks for. He did say he loves his talent though.

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[quote=Mattyk;780291]The body language thing with Cutler has been well documented. It's not just a fan overreaction, anytime you hear an analyst talk about the guy, they always bring it up. That and the fact he's not known as being a leader.

Heck just this morning on Mike & Mike they asked Herm Edwards if he would want him as his QB if he was coaching. He mentioned the body language and his crappy attitude, and how he's not the type of leader he looks for. He did say he loves his talent though.[/quote]

Love listening to Herm Edwards and he was 100% correct. Cutler's body language is so pathetic. Great talent but he's got some Jeff George in him. Chicago isn't going to win with him.

Kind of off the subject but some guys you'd have to kill them to get them out of the line up. As annoying and Hollywood as Joe Theismann was, you had to snap his leg off to get him outta there. Phil Simms was the same way. Just a few examples.

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[quote=NC_Skins;780270]How do you guys know what he's doing on the sidelines? You see what 10 secs of Jay Cutler footage on the TV and assume he's doing that the whole game. You guys are worse than the media and Chico you are spewing up talking points from idiot media pundits. Body language? As a person who's studied body language, I can assure you that 99% of the people out there have 0 clue as to being able to read body language on a whole. The problem is the guy doesn't give a shit about the media (much like Barry Bonds), and he gets crucified in the process. Purely sickening.

Also, to have a guy like Deon Sanders question heart or toughness is beyond laughable. This is a jackass that didn't tackle and told others he was paid to break up passes, not tackle. Guy is a complete asshat and probably should shut the **** up.


[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/01/24/pft-live-boomer-doesnt-question-cutlers-toughness/]PFT Live: Boomer doesn’t question Cutler’s toughness | ProFootballTalk[/url][/quote]


Actually what I was trying to say is his demeanor, body language is just who he is and like Matty commented, its very well documented. My point was that how he carries himself should not be confused with his toughness in this situation. Sure I agree the media has 100% has gone overboard with this story, but that really nothing new...question is does Brady, Big Ben, Farve, Peyton stay out of the same game, same injury?

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I think what is really fueling this story is not the media's overreaction for once, but how his fellow NFL players reacted so strongly before the game was even over. That's what is so interesting.

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[quote=Giantone;780244]Kinda torn here becuase I'm old school ....play till it falls off or put dirt on it and it will get better school!Yet all we have to do is see how teams and Doctors of teams and trainers are all under scrutiny now ,I think the person people[B] should be looking at is Lovey Smith[/B]............if it was his call and I'm hearing it was....he needs to come out and say something.[/quote]

Like I said before the doctors are given the final authority to decide who stays out and who gets to go back in. With Cutler, after he came limping off the field the training staff tried to treat him after which they had him attempt dropping back on the sidelines before letting him go back to play. Cutler was unable to plant his foot properly, along with other test led the training staff to believe that Cutler wasn't fit to come back into play. Based on the grade 2 MCL tear/sprain that was discovered after the game the doctors made the right choice.

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[quote=Mattyk;780298]I think what is really fueling this story is not the media's overreaction for once, but how his fellow NFL players reacted so strongly before the game was even over. That's what is so interesting.[/quote]

It has been reported from years ago when Cutler was on the Broncos, that players on other teams and some on Cutler's own team felt that Cutler's past behavior was childish, poor and really lacking in class. Bad karma is a bitch. Cutler did not just fall off a turnip truck and is getting this poor treatment. He earned it by behaving like a child.
That being said it should not be happening to such a degree. The guy losing game the way he did and crying in the press conference and getting slammed in the press is enough. Let the guy lick his wounds.

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Face it, Cutler is done in Chicago now.


[url]http://i.imgur.com/to95Q.jpg[/url]

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[quote=Buster;780376]Face it, Cutler is done in Chicago now.


[url]http://i.imgur.com/to95Q.jpg[/url][/quote]

Funny shit. love the smile:laughing2

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[quote=Buster;780376]Face it, Cutler is done in Chicago now.


[url]http://i.imgur.com/to95Q.jpg[/url][/quote]

LOLOLOL. Probably!

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[quote=Defensewins;780306]It has been reported from years ago when Cutler was on the Broncos, that players on other teams and some on Cutler's own team felt that Cutler's past behavior was childish, poor and really lacking in class. Bad karma is a bitch. Cutler did not just fall off a turnip truck and is getting this poor treatment. He earned it by behaving like a child.
That being said it should not be happening to such a degree. The guy losing game the way he did and crying in the press conference and getting slammed in the press is enough. Let the guy lick his wounds.[/quote]

[url=http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=news&cd=1&ved=0CC4QqQIwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fespn.go.com%2Fchicago%2Fhot%2Findex%3Fid%3D6053768&ei=l1Y_TaKMHcGblgfThZXEAw&usg=AFQjCNEAH38Pt1Xa3ajy7226ePVjTKq9QA&sig2=J2MBg3CezWM_nznHQ7_A6A]ESPNChicago's Hot Button Topic of the week - ESPN Chicago[/url]

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Here's another one for you. Tutu wearing Cutler.

[url]http://i.imgur.com/TzQYb.jpg[/url]

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[quote=Defensewins;780306]It has been reported from years ago when Cutler was on the Broncos, that players on other teams and some on Cutler's own team felt that [B]Cutler's past behavior was childish, poor and really lacking in class.[/B] Bad karma is a bitch. Cutler did not just fall off a turnip truck and is getting this poor treatment. [B]He earned it by behaving like a child. [/B]
That being said it should not be happening to such a degree. The guy losing game the way he did and crying in the press conference and getting slammed in the press is enough. Let the guy lick his wounds.[/quote]

If Cutler has shown evidence of being "childish, poor, and really lacking in class," then he has "earned" a reputation for that.

But no one ever "earns" being hammered without evidence. And everyone who took him apart without knowing how bad his injury was did just that.

The problem isn't the degree to which he has garnered hate lately. The problem is that he was essentially convicted without trial or evidence.

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[quote=Buster;780376]Face it, Cutler is done in Chicago now.


[URL]http://i.imgur.com/to95Q.jpg[/URL][/quote]

HAHAHA Hey why not?

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Jay should have been pulled before he hurt his ankle anyway, as him and Collins were throwing at their receivers feet most of the day. Hanie threw nice crisp strikes that were right in the numbers. Not so sure why Cutler was lowballing his receivers most of the time he was in there. I think Lovie needs to work out Hanie more and give him a shot. He responded well to the situation he was put in, even with the two INTs, he still fought. Collins needs to be released.

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What's up with GB not putting their IR players on the SB photo? That's kind of bush if u ask me.

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[quote=Lotus;780438]If Cutler has shown evidence of being "childish, poor, and really lacking in class," then he has "earned" a reputation for that.

But no one ever "earns" being hammered without evidence. And everyone who took him apart without knowing how bad his injury was did just that.

The problem isn't the degree to which he has garnered hate lately. The problem is that he was essentially convicted without trial or evidence.[/quote]

[url=http://blogs.nfl.com/2011/01/24/cutler-should-have-been-given-benefit-of-the-doubt/]NFL.com Blogs » Blog Archive Cutler should have been given benefit of the doubt «[/url]

Wilcots directs this primarily at the players, but w/e.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;780242]It's been enjoyable to say the least to see helping after helping of crow being served. Watching all the flak directed at Cutler on Sunday was horrifying. The worst being Phillip Rivers used as a reference, while conviently leaving out the fact that Rivers needed a procedure to help him play That's not to take away from what Rivers did but this absurd idea that Cutler could have gone back the same day. As doctors have pointed out Cutler would have missed around a month worth of games for this same injury and he most certainly wouldn't have been able to play the same day.[/quote]

Rivers also didn't return in the same game he was pulled, thus destroying all the "hinting" the Rivers return IN THE SAME GAME while Cutler didn't.

That said, all the hate is in part due to the couch potato fan's inability to "get" what it feels like to be out their in the ****ing cold with 280+ lbs guys bearing down on you almost every play and having to overcome intense pain from a busted knee, which they likely never experience.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;780474]Rivers also didn't return in the same game he was pulled, thus destroying all the "hinting" the Rivers return IN THE SAME GAME while Cutler didn't.

That said, all the hate is in part due to the couch potato fan's inability to "get" what it feels like to be out their in the ****ing cold with 280+ lbs guys bearing down on you almost every play and having to overcome intense pain from a busted knee, which they likely never experience.[/quote]


Hate to sound insensitive, but that's pretty much what you sign up for when you're playing quarterback in the NFL. Look at the guys who played with broken bones and other injuries decades ago for little or no money.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;780460]What's up with GB not putting their IR players on the SB photo? That's kind of bush if u ask me.[/quote]

Yeah, not what you'd expect from that organization

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[quote=skinsfaninok;780440]HAHAHA Hey why not?[/quote]

Lets not forget, Matthew Stafford is not 100% and may never be again...could be an opening there too.

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[quote=skinsguy;780499]Hate to sound insensitive, but that's pretty much what you sign up for when you're playing quarterback in the NFL. Look at the guys who played with broken bones and other injuries decades ago for little or no money.[/quote]

So you're saying Rivers re-entered the same game he got knocked out in when the historical record CLEARLY says otherwise. It's on NFL.com. Volek took those snaps. But hey, history isn't about facts, now is it?

Cutler doesn't have a next week to get "miracle" surgery to then post a sub-50 rating the next game like Rivers did.

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One of the worst examples of backpedaling, come on MJD do you think we're stupid?

[url=http://content.usatoday.com/communities/thehuddle/post/2011/01/maurice-jones-drew-says-jay-cutler-comments-misunderstood/1]Maurice Jones-Drew says Jay Cutler comments misunderstood - The Huddle: Football News from the NFL - USATODAY.com[/url]

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[quote=Mattyk;780554]One of the worst examples of backpedaling, come on MJD do you think we're stupid?

[url=http://content.usatoday.com/communities/thehuddle/post/2011/01/maurice-jones-drew-says-jay-cutler-comments-misunderstood/1]Maurice Jones-Drew says Jay Cutler comments misunderstood - The Huddle: Football News from the NFL - USATODAY.com[/url][/quote]

He should have just said Will Hill hacked his account

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[quote=SmootSmack;780560]He should have just said Will Hill hacked his account[/quote]

lol nice

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;780545]So you're saying Rivers re-entered the same game he got knocked out in when the historical record CLEARLY says otherwise. It's on NFL.com. Volek took those snaps. But hey, history isn't about facts, now is it?

Cutler doesn't have a next week to get "miracle" surgery to then post a sub-50 rating the next game like Rivers did.[/quote]

Who Rivers? I have no idea, I'm just stating a general statement that back in the day when the guys got little or no pay, they played with broken bones...

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[quote=skinsguy;780579]Who Rivers? I have no idea, I'm just stating a general statement that back in the day when the guys got little or no pay, they played with broken bones...[/quote]

So there are examples of them also coming back in the same game they got injured in? Ok then, but I need a couple examples to be totally convinced. And ligament tears can be just as bad as broken bones, if not worse in certain instances.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;780858]So there are examples of them also coming back in the same game they got injured in? Ok then, but I need a couple examples to be totally convinced. And ligament tears can be just as bad as broken bones, if not worse in certain instances.[/quote]

[url=http://bleacherreport.com/articles/88750-heart-of-a-champion-the-40-toughest-players-in-nfl-history]Heart of a Champion: The 40 Toughest Players in NFL History | Bleacher Report[/url]

[B]Don Meredith, Quarterback, Dallas Cowboys (1960-1968)[/B]


[I]
“Meredith was really tough. He got beat up so bad in his early years. His last game, up in Cleveland, he came out of the hospital to play with a broken rib, a punctured lung, and pneumonia. I saw Meredith's nose broken so bad that it spread all over his face. Looked like a raccoon.” —Bob Lilly[/I]

[B]Jack Youngblood, Defensive End, Los Angeles Rams (1971-1984)[/B]


[I]
Youngblood played the final three games of the 1979 NFL playoffs, including the Super Bowl against the Pittsburgh Steelers, with a heavily-taped broken leg. He was called the “John Wayne of Football” by John Madden.[/I]

[B]Walt Garrison, Running Back, Dallas Cowboys (1966-1974)[/B]



[I]In a playoff game in 1970, Garrison broke three ribs in the first quarter and continued playing after he was carried off the field. He rushed for over 100 yards, caught several passes, and helped the Cowboys continue their path to the Super Bowl. Garrison has also played through a separated shoulder, a severely broken nose and a broken collarbone. Teammate Charlie Waters recalls the time that Garrison accidentally cut his thumb with a knife so that it was dangling from his hand. Garrison wrapped his thumb in tape and played the next day, rushing for over 100 yards.[/I]

[B]Jim Marshall, Defensive End, Minnesota Vikings (1960-1979)[/B]


[I]
Could someone please explain to me why Jim Marshall is not in the Hall of Fame? As a 248-pound defensive end, he played in 282 consecutive games. Every game. For 19 straight seasons. He maintained his streak despite pneumonia, an ulcer, and a shotgun wound to the side. Marshall earned his fame as a member of the Purple People Eaters of the early 1970s.[/I]



I'm sure you get the point!

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[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/01/28/passionate-madden-defends-cutlers-toughness-demeanor/]Passionate Madden defends Cutler’s toughness, demeanor | ProFootballTalk[/url]

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[quote=Mattyk;780949][url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/01/28/passionate-madden-defends-cutlers-toughness-demeanor/]Passionate Madden defends Cutler’s toughness, demeanor | ProFootballTalk[/url][/quote]

I don't doubt playing sports with Type I Diabetes is tough. Believe me, I know all about the disease almost at first hand. But, I think Madden kind of deferred the argument off course a bit.

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[quote=skinsguy;780948][url=http://bleacherreport.com/articles/88750-heart-of-a-champion-the-40-toughest-players-in-nfl-history]Heart of a Champion: The 40 Toughest Players in NFL History | Bleacher Report[/url]

[B]Don Meredith, Quarterback, Dallas Cowboys (1960-1968)[/B]


[I]
“Meredith was really tough. He got beat up so bad in his early years. His last game, up in Cleveland, he came out of the hospital to play with a broken rib, a punctured lung, and pneumonia. I saw Meredith's nose broken so bad that it spread all over his face. Looked like a raccoon.” —Bob Lilly[/I]

[B]Jack Youngblood, Defensive End, Los Angeles Rams (1971-1984)[/B]


[I]
Youngblood played the final three games of the 1979 NFL playoffs, including the Super Bowl against the Pittsburgh Steelers, with a heavily-taped broken leg. He was called the “John Wayne of Football” by John Madden.[/I]

[B]Walt Garrison, Running Back, Dallas Cowboys (1966-1974)[/B]



[I]In a playoff game in 1970, Garrison broke three ribs in the first quarter and continued playing after he was carried off the field. He rushed for over 100 yards, caught several passes, and helped the Cowboys continue their path to the Super Bowl. Garrison has also played through a separated shoulder, a severely broken nose and a broken collarbone. Teammate Charlie Waters recalls the time that Garrison accidentally cut his thumb with a knife so that it was dangling from his hand. Garrison wrapped his thumb in tape and played the next day, rushing for over 100 yards.[/I]

[B]Jim Marshall, Defensive End, Minnesota Vikings (1960-1979)[/B]


[I]
Could someone please explain to me why Jim Marshall is not in the Hall of Fame? As a 248-pound defensive end, he played in 282 consecutive games. Every game. For 19 straight seasons. He maintained his streak despite pneumonia, an ulcer, and a shotgun wound to the side. Marshall earned his fame as a member of the Purple People Eaters of the early 1970s.[/I]



I'm sure you get the point![/quote]

Fine then. Then even the tougher Phillip Rivers wasn't tough enough. He had to get surgery and didn't come back in the same game. I get your point.