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[quote=MTK;1144605]Is terrorism a new thing only since Obama came around?

I guess 9/11 was his fault too.

This isn't an Obama problem, it's the world's problem. Is more war and killing really the answer?[/quote]

Certainly the safety of the American people is a the responsibility of the office of the president. The war on terrorism has been priority number 1 since 9/11. It's never changed. As that priority number 1, a multilevel strategy is required from the administration and his state department. its been a failure...its hasn't been an easy job.

The bottom line is the Obama administration response and strategy isn't working versus terrorism. This isn't getting better and it's a disgrace.

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[QUOTE=Hog1;1144610][url=http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jun/21/loretta-lynch-most-effective-response-to-islamic-t/]Loretta Lynch: 'Most effective' response to Islamic terrorism 'is love' - Washington Times[/url]



Not anti anything....just fact. the Love Thy Neighbor strategy does not appear to be serving us to well....[/QUOTE]



Thanks...i had googled it and read it. I know its not what people want to hear but...
You can say that about the love thy neighbor strategy, but dropping bombs on the middle east since 1991-2? Might have a wee bit more to do with the growth of terrorist activity than that?
So I guess i just dont see a solution being born from the same school of thought that started all of this? Certainly not an easy answer on any level though. Very sad times for the world indeed.

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1144611]Certainly the safety of the American people is a the responsibility of the office of the president. The war on terrorism has been priority number 1 since 9/11. It's never changed. As that priority number 1, a multilevel strategy is required from the administration and his state department. its been a failure...its hasn't been an easy job.



The bottom line is the Obama administration response and strategy isn't working versus terrorism. This isn't getting better and it's a disgrace.[/QUOTE]



Chico there is no easy solution though man. So be careful what you wish for because things could always be worse. Violence feeds violence.

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[quote=punch it in;1144613]Chico there is no easy solution though man. So be careful what you wish for because things could always be worse. Violence feeds violence.[/quote]

No plan leads to chaos, pull out the world map...it's clear its on fire. Our foreign policy in many areas has been slow, reactive, and inconsistent.

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This is all because i quoted Schneeds year old post about the good news thread getting more attention than the bad news thread. Jinxed it.

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[quote=punch it in;1144612]Thanks...i had googled it and read it. I know its not what people want to hear but...
You can say that about the love thy neighbor strategy, but dropping bombs on the middle east since 1991-2? Might have a wee bit more to do with the growth of terrorist activity than that?
So I guess i just dont see a solution being born from the same school of thought that started all of this? Certainly not an easy answer on any level though. [B]Very sad times for the world indeed[/B].[/quote]

I would agree with you on that.
BUT the rule book we are accustomed to playing by is totally foreign to the..... vermin we are dealing with here. We had better adapt quickly as time grows short. This administration has proven it is incapable of that

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[QUOTE=Hog1;1144616]I would agree with you on that.

BUT the rule book we are accustomed to playing by is totally foreign to the..... vermin we are dealing with here. We had better adapt quickly as time grows short. This administration has proven it is incapable of that[/QUOTE]



Again....who is to say more attacks wouldn't occur under a different administration? Its just the unfortunate evolution of war and he happens to be the president. The vermin we are talking about is unlike any other vermin the world has have ever dealt with. Technology is working for them too and we are seeing their networks grow because of it. Trump, Clinton, Obama it doesn't matter.....

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[quote=Chico23231;1144611]Certainly the safety of the American people is a the responsibility of the office of the president. The war on terrorism has been priority number 1 since 9/11. It's never changed. As that priority number 1, a multilevel strategy is required from the administration and his state department. its been a failure...its hasn't been an easy job.

The bottom line is the Obama administration response and strategy isn't working versus terrorism. This isn't getting better and it's a disgrace.[/quote]


I disagree on the point it's Obama's fault this(terrorism) has been going on for a long time and has take it's toll on some very good Presidents .This is just one example .


[url=http://www.history.com/topics/iran-hostage-crisis]Iran Hostage Crisis - Facts & Summary - HISTORY.com[/url]

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Jimmy Carter Pres Obama Neville Chamberlain Woodrow Wilson. All presidents/leaders who didn't understand that wanting peace doesn't mean being naively optimistic about tthe good nature of man. And all saw the world worsen under their well intentioned stewardship.

Who knows the what ifs of others were president. They aren't and Pres Obama and the congress has failed to find a workable strategy for years. Hopefully the world will pull out of this nosedive but I don't think history is on our side for that.

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[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1144623]Jimmy Carter Pres Obama Neville Chamberlain Woodrow Wilson. All presidents/leaders who didn't understand that wanting peace doesn't mean being naively optimistic about tthe good nature of man. And all saw the world worsen under their well intentioned stewardship.

Who knows the what ifs of others were president. They aren't and Pres Obama and the congress has failed to find a workable strategy for years. Hopefully the world will pull out of this nosedive but I don't think history is on our side for that.

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I think that these terrorists make up a micro fraction of the world, and the good nature of man will prevail. Its all about future generations NOT being radicalized. Thats the only way it will fizzle out and crawl back under the rock. Thats why its so important to remain calm and not come across like some War monger. Luckily Trump will not be bringing his loud mouth and pea brain to the Whitehouse or we would really see a "failed strategy" at work. The current state of affairs in our world would seem like a picnic.

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You lost me at good nature of man. Religious fervor doesn't just fizzle out. It erupts into massive and bloody martyrdoms. Kamikazees, crusades, purges. But anyways. Lets go to the debating thread or agree to move on. There is enough bad news without bringing the dark and ugly topic that is american presidential politics in here.

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Remeber the pulse night club shooting? Remember the response was gun control? Would have gun control stopped this attack?

Gun control isn't stopping these savages...

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[quote=punch it in;1144624]I think that these terrorists make up a micro fraction of the world, and the good nature of man will prevail. Its all about future generations NOT being radicalized. Thats the only way it will fizzle out and crawl back under the rock. Thats why its so important to remain calm and not come across like some War monger.[B] Luckily Trump will not be bringing his loud mouth and pea brain to the Whitehouse or we would really see a "failed strategy" at work[/B]. The current state of affairs in our world would seem like a picnic.[/quote]
Is there another candidate in the running I am not aware of?
Because you cannot seriously be advocating more of the Hill and Bill show of lies and thievery? Can you?

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^ Over Trump, hell yes. Not sure how that's even a real question for anyone with half a brain.

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[QUOTE=MTK;1144628]^ Over Trump, hell yes. Not sure how that's even a real question for anyone with half a brain.[/QUOTE]



Great answer. Haha.

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1144626]Remeber the pulse night club shooting? Remember the response was gun control? Would have gun control stopped this attack?



Gun control isn't stopping these savages...[/QUOTE]



Gun control would help. Again there are no easy answers. Ofcourse these lunatics will find a way to fuck up our day, but we have to start taking steps to make the world a safer place. Id say not letting people on watch lists purchase weapons over the counter is a damn good start.

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So where is the due process for watchlists? The government won't even say how many people are on it. And a point I heard the other day - suppose an individual is denied a purchase of a gun while on the watchlist are we showing the governments hand?

Hillary Trump Johnson definitely belongs in politics.

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[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1144632]So where is the due process for watchlists? The government won't even say how many people are on it. And a point I heard the other day - suppose an individual is denied a purchase of a gun while on the watchlist are we showing the governments hand?

Hillary Trump Johnson definitely belongs in politics.

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Look nobody is saying that stopping or preventing any of this is easy. What is your point though - that we just go on allowing gun sales to be willy nilly? Lol. Somehow a red flag pops up when these individuals go to buy guns. The hillbilly at the cash register certainly does not need to know why the individual cant buy a gun. For all they know the guy has too many parking tickets.
I certainly dont think anyone is suggesting that the person announces over the intercom that there is a possible terrorist trying to purchase a gun and tip the governments hand.
Do you know what kind of red tape i have to go through if i want to build a deck in my backyard? Lol. Lets just make it half as difficult for joe schmo to buy an assault rifle?

Its a start.

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[quote=punch it in;1144633]Look nobody is saying that stopping or preventing any of this is easy. What is your point though - that we just go on allowing gun sales to be willy nilly? Lol. Somehow a red flag pops up when these individuals go to buy guns. The hillbilly at the cash register certainly does not need to know why the individual cant buy a gun. For all they know the guy has too many parking tickets.
I certainly dont think anyone is suggesting that the person announces over the intercom that there is a possible terrorist trying to purchase a gun and tip the governments hand.
Do you know what kind of red tape i have to go through if i want to build a deck in my backyard? Lol. Lets just make it half as difficult for joe schmo to buy an assault rifle?

Its a start.[/quote]

For the record, there isn't an amendment to the constitution specifically giving you the right to a deck.

It's a start, but it's bad law so probably not a good start.

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I'm sure we can get this passed with 2/3's majority in both houses, we can call it The Punch Amendment:

A well fed population, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and build decks, shall not be infringed.

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[quote=MTK;1144628]^ Over Trump, hell yes. Not sure how that's even a real question for anyone with half a brain.[/quote]
The real question to you is do you condone a known liar, thief as qualities you can accept in your CIC? I guess you have already answered that, right? The Hill and Bill show are now and have been known quantities. There is still question as to Trump. My idea of the great candidate? No. Strictly lessor of two evils type of thing.
Still...Hill may well get in office on the backs of the same general...Low Brow, hand out, promise me me everything/deliver nothing...folks that got Barry O elected...twice, right?
Lol, we all have seen how that disastrous experiment has gone.....

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[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1144639]For the record, there isn't an amendment to the constitution specifically giving you the right to a deck.



It's a start, but it's bad law so probably not a good start.[/QUOTE]



For the record we are no longer referring to muskets in order to keep our country free. Lol. We certainly should be able to control who buts guns. Constitution or not there need to be precautions taken.

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[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1144641]I'm sure we can get this passed with 2/3's majority in both houses, we can call it The Punch Amendment:



A well fed population, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and build decks, shall not be infringed.[/QUOTE]



Yes! Hey my deck helps get us drunk on hot days!

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Yes. Let's not worry about the Constitution. 3 cheers for modern US political discourse.

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[QUOTE=Hog1;1144644]The real question to you is do you condone a known liar, thief as qualities you can accept in your CIC? I guess you have already answered that, right? The Hill and Bill show are now and have been known quantities. There is still question as to Trump. My idea of the great candidate? No. Strictly lessor of two evils type of thing.
Still...Hill may well get in office on the backs of the same general...Low Brow, hand out, promise me me everything/deliver nothing...folks that got Barry O elected...twice, right?
Lol, we all have seen how that disastrous experiment has gone.....[/QUOTE]



Trump is no different. How many thousands of people must he con before we refer to him as a liar. He has no business in the whitehouse. Hillary isnt my ideal candidate but she has experience with the political world. Plus there is this....[IMG]http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160715/e22629218ebcd361ab7ca4efeb14471b.jpg[/IMG]

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[quote=punch it in;1144631]Gun control would help. Again there are no easy answers. Of course these lunatics will find a way to fuck up our day, but[B] we have to start taking steps to make the world a safer place[/B]. Id say not letting people on watch lists purchase weapons over the counter is a damn good start.[/quote]

Did you want to start with vehicles? 32k killed per/year USA
Cell phones? 15k deaths p/year associated texting...
Outlawing trucks? Maybe that would have prevented the 100..ish killed the other night.
Yes, we do have to start doing...something. Currently we do not seem to be able to focus on any real action, just knee jerk nonsense that has little meaning outside of political arena's

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[quote=punch it in;1144648]Trump is no different. How many thousands of people must he con before we refer to him as a liar. He has no business in the whitehouse. Hillary isnt my ideal candidate but she has experience with the political world. Plus there is this....[IMG]http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160715/e22629218ebcd361ab7ca4efeb14471b.jpg[/IMG][/quote]

I do not 100% disagree with you but the difference is Trump may surprise you or may prove to be as bad as Hill. She has already proven to be completely untrustworthy and incompetent. When I have more time later, I will try to post some interesting stuff.
It....ain't a good situation to be in, but here we are..........

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I don't understand why Gary Johnson can't get more traction, especially on the Democratic side. People defending Hillary make 0 sense to me.

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[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1144652]I don't understand why Gary Johnson can't get more traction, especially on the Democratic side. People defending Hillary make 0 sense to me.

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Im voting for him. Only because NJ isnt a swing state. Hillary is my second choice though. Hog i have read alot of the dirt on hillary. I dont really like her. It comes down to I cannot stand Trump. Im physically repulsed by his being. He has enough of a track record and i have listened to him speak enough to know he will not "surprise " me. Not in a good way. But i agree terrible situation to be in. Ugghh.

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[quote=punch it in;1144654]Im voting for him. Only because NJ isnt a swing state. Hillary is my second choice though. Hog i have read alot of the dirt on hillary. I dont really like her. It comes down to I cannot stand Trump. Im physically repulsed by his being. He has enough of a track record and i have listened to him speak enough to know he will not "surprise " me. Not in a good way. But i agree terrible situation to be in. Ugghh.[/quote]

Understood......

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Trump the lesser of the two evils? Really???? I guess if the other option was Hitler maybe.

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Exactly.

Also, are people really saying "Trump might surprise you?" Like come on now. He has literally flip-flopped about a thousand times in the span of a month, but yet no one cares? Again, Hillary also isn't my favorite candidate, but goddamn at least she's consistent.

Finally saw my first outward Trump supporter on Facebook and the shit he posts is absolutely bananas. Like, I've seen both liberal and conservative garbage websites, but this is next-level awfulness. It confirms what a lot of us think about Trump supporters: 100% reactionary; forget facts, Trump speaks his mind and that's A-OK with me. I don't understand how being a total dickhole qualifies you to be President. He literally hasn't said jack shit about what he's going to do. NOTHING. Isn't that terrifying?!

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Well you covered a lot of ground there. This is just the......latest of the Hill and Bill show. They are a very well known quantity


[url=http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/07/07/rep_trey_gowdy_grills_fbi_director_comey_over_clinton_emails.html]Rep. Trey Gowdy Grills FBI Director Comey Over Clinton Emails | Video | RealClearPolitics[/url]

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Again forgetting Trump explain how Clinton is better in anyway shape or form then Gary Johnson. Hillary is a known liar, and basically incompetent in the positions she has held. Johnson turned around New Mexico, supports civil liberties and rights and likely won't run the US into a fiscal nightmare

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[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1144660]Again forgetting Trump explain how Clinton is better in anyway shape or form then Gary Johnson. Hillary is a known liar, and basically incompetent in the positions she has held. Johnson turned around New Mexico, supports civil liberties and rights and likely won't run the US into a fiscal nightmare

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Not sure many think she is, but he has that whole "not a shot in hell so i ain't wasting my vote" thing going on...

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[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RealClearPolitics[/url]

I'm down to read facts, but are there any from a non-partisan site?

Conservative site with a conservative slant is just as useless as a liberal site with the same.

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And right, I agree with punch it in. I WISH there were better options, but I just can't see any reason why Trump is an actual candidate. I have yet to hear a single rational argument for him. Not one.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;1144663][URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RealClearPolitics[/URL]

I'm down to read facts, but are there any from a non-partisan site?

[B]Conservative site with a conservative slant is just as useless as a liberal site with the same[/B].[/quote]
Yes, it is.....and it's rough sledding finding any

But if you are suggesting the vid I posted is influenced by a Conservative site. It's posted everywhere and the vid naturally has nothing to do with the site posted to. Just the facts as they unwound in the int.

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We should be feeling the Bern! We should really move this convo off of the bad news thread (even though this election certainly qualifies) before it overtakes the good news thread!

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1144660]Again forgetting Trump explain how Clinton is better in anyway shape or form then Gary Johnson. Hillary is a known liar, and basically incompetent in the positions she has held. Johnson turned around New Mexico, supports civil liberties and rights and likely won't run the US into a fiscal nightmare

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I've flat out asked people how are you not voting for a 3rd party candidate? To me both options are absurd.

Hillary was an utter failure at Secretary of State. She was a nightmare. In the private world she woulda be fired for incompetence.

Trump as president....ain't happening.


If a 3rd party candidate can post a strong showing, I think the option will only grow stronger in this day and age. 10 years ago I wouldn't have thought it, but so much has changed.

The age of typical political candidates is officially over.