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[quote=MTK;1279990][URL="https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/03/22/giants-may-have-been-bidding-against-themselves-for-kenny-golladay/"]Giants may have been bidding against themselves for Kenny Golladay[/URL][/quote]

I don't think there's a question that he's a [I]good [/I] receiver. I'm not sure he's even top 10 in the NFL though. He had a top 10 kind of year in 2019, but with that injury history, that's a lot of dough...

There's a reason the Lions weren't willing to bring him back for that $$, and for the Giants, man that's tough to be bidding against yourself for this guy...

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[quote=MTK;1279990][URL="https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/03/22/giants-may-have-been-bidding-against-themselves-for-kenny-golladay/"]Giants may have been bidding against themselves for Kenny Golladay[/URL][/quote]

Gettleman seriously looks like a used car salesman...wtf is he doing?

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I love how the rest of the division is crumbling. NJ overpaying hugely...Dallas can't afford any good players after overpaying Dak...and the Eagles are just flat our broke and are cutting everyone.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1279981]Galloday will help Danny dimes a lot. Yeah he's overpaid but he's worth it when you have a average QB that needs a big target.. Who else were they going to get? The draft is a crapshoot especially at WR[/quote]

Golladay will help them, but I have a hard time agreeing that Jones is an average NFL QB. Maybe he can develop into that, but thus far he's proven to be quite a bit below average, IMO. Getting their RB back will help them a lot.

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[quote=Number44;1280012]Golladay will help them, but I have a hard time agreeing that Jones is an average NFL QB. Maybe he can develop into that, but thus far he's proven to be quite a bit below average, IMO. Getting their RB back will help them a lot.[/quote]

But will he be the same?

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Lol Gettleman strikes again

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Apologizing for telling the truth or sharing your opinion, the new normal.

Stafford is better than Goff. That's why there was a trade.

[url]https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/31114006/detroit-lions-michael-brockers-apologized-jared-goff-level-remark-matthew-stafford[/url]

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1280001]I don't think there's a question that he's a [I]good [/I] receiver. I'm not sure he's even top 10 in the NFL though. He had a top 10 kind of year in 2019, but with that injury history, that's a lot of dough...

There's a reason the Lions weren't willing to bring him back for that $$, and for the Giants, man that's tough to be bidding against yourself for this guy...[/quote]

He is a #1.5WR, but lacks true quickness. Glad the Giants were dumb, helps us. Lions are rebuilding, so the decision perhaps makes sense even if they wanted him. No way is he top-10 in NFL. For what they paid, you should get a true #1, size, speed, quickness, the total package. Golladay is good, but he is not that. Love watching other teams in division make mistakes we used to. :-)

I think the Giants are frustrated by Jones a bit, hoping he had developed more, shown more moxy, and view this as an investment in helping Jones not be a bust. In that sense, what is $3M more a year versus starting over at QB (and maybe people losing jobs in process)?

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1280019]Apologizing for telling the truth or sharing your opinion, the new normal.

Stafford is better than Goff. That's why there was a trade.

[url]https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/31114006/detroit-lions-michael-brockers-apologized-jared-goff-level-remark-matthew-stafford[/url][/quote]

Indeed it is. Speech control is thought control. People will understand that when it is too late.

Not just that Stafford was better than Goff. Goff was horrible. McVeigh did EVERYTHING you can to help a young guy get to the next level and become a franchise QB. Reading the D for Goff pre-snap and telling him where to go in headphones first year, giving him a STACKED offense, adjusting system to what worked best for Goff, etc. Goff never got better and couldn't get it done.

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[quote=Scalper;1280026]

I think the Giants are frustrated by Jones a bit, hoping he had developed more, shown more moxy, and view this as an investment in helping Jones not be a bust. In that sense, what is $3M more a year versus starting over at QB (and maybe people losing jobs in process)?[/quote]

Yeah , maybe they should have taken Haskins,........oh wait!

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[quote=Chico23231;1280018]Lol Gettleman strikes again[/quote]

....................that piss's you off!:D

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[quote=Chico23231;1280004]Gettleman seriously looks like a used car salesman...wtf is he doing?[/quote]

He's no molesting cheerleaders that's for sure.

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NJ Giants just signed Adoree' Jackson, CB from the Titans to a 3 year, $39 mil contract. He's played in 14 total games the last 2 seasons, only 3 last year. 2 career INTs in 4 seasons.

$26.5 mil guaranteed, getting paid $16 mil in his first year.

Another "good when healthy" player but not a great contract unless he plays 16 games a year.

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Gettleman spending $$ like his job depends on it. Probably because it does.

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[quote=MTK;1280040]Gettleman spending $$ like his job depends on it. Probably because it does.[/quote]

Good luck with "Twinkle Toes" Jones.

[img]https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fmedia0.giphy.com%2Fmedia%2FIVUT6ZrmwluToUnb1F%2Fgiphy.gif&f=1&nofb=1[/img]

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[quote=Monkeydad;1280035]NJ Giants just signed Adoree' Jackson, CB from the Titans to a 3 year, $39 mil contract. He's played in 14 total games the last 2 seasons, only 3 last year. 2 career INTs in 4 seasons.

$26.5 mil guaranteed, getting paid $16 mil in his first year.

Another "good when healthy" player but not a great contract unless he plays 16 games a year.[/quote]

That's basically the same contract as W. Jackson III received from WFT, with .5 Mil more in guaranteed $$.

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[quote=Monkeydad;1280042]Good luck with "Twinkle Toes" Jones.

[img]https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fmedia0.giphy.com%2Fmedia%2FIVUT6ZrmwluToUnb1F%2Fgiphy.gif&f=1&nofb=1[/img][/quote]

Ha! That was the funniest thing I saw all last year. My son and I just kept rewinding it...

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@FieldYates
The Giants are signing former Washington OLB Ryan Anderson.

It's a one-year deal that includes $137,500 to sign and qualifies for the veteran salary benefit.

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Cutting Zeitler, their best OL, and not resigning Tomlinson on the DL more than offsets the signings they have made, and they are pushing cap hits into future years as Gettleman has nothing to lose. All for two guys who collectively played 8 games last year

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[quote=EdmundDorf;1280052]Cutting Zeitler, their best OL, and not resigning Tomlinson on the DL more than offsets the signings they have made, and they are pushing cap hits into future years as Gettleman has nothing to lose. All for two guys who collectively played 8 games last year[/quote]

Yeah, cutting Zeitler was a bit puzzling, considering they had one of the worst offensive lines in the league last year. Nate Solder is coming back, which should help them, but I'm not sure how much it helps. I guess the money saved by cutting Zeitler helped them sign Golladay / Jackson...

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Giants fans on one of their sites are damn near claiming Super Bowl. All of the signings are just absolutely excellent.

Meanwhile here, they're moreso all getting panned.

It's amazing how biases effect opinions so much. One of us are wrong. Hopefully it's them.

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[url]https://www.si.com/nfl/2021/03/23/deshaun-watson-lawsuits-latest-sexual-assault-harassment[/url]

This Watson stuff could be career ending if true

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1280057]Giants fans on one of their sites are damn near claiming Super Bowl. All of the signings are just absolutely excellent.

Meanwhile here, they're moreso all getting panned.

It's amazing how biases effect opinions so much. One of us are wrong. Hopefully it's them.[/quote]

There's one guy coming back who makes more of an impact than all of their pluses and minuses through FA.

Saquon is no joke. That's kind of the puzzling thing behind letting Zeitler go. Giving Saquon blockers seems like a wise thing.

But yeah they should be better because of him coming back. I still like our team over theirs but they'll be in the mix.

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The Giants are signing former Washington OLB Ryan Anderson.

It's a one-year deal that includes $137,500 to sign and qualifies for the veteran salary benefit.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1280057]Giants fans on one of their sites are damn near claiming Super Bowl. All of the signings are just absolutely excellent.

Meanwhile here, they're moreso all getting panned.

It's amazing how biases effect opinions so much. One of us are wrong. Hopefully it's them.[/quote]

Some of their additions:

Kenny Golladay
Adoree' Jackson
Devontae Booker
John Ross
Kyle Rudolph
Reggie Ragland
Ryan Anderson

I think they have had a good offseason so far, especially if Golladay and Jackson stay healthy. I think they overspent for both of them, but it's not my money.

They do have Barkley coming back too, which will make them better. They have a high draft pick which will likely net them a starter somewhere. Probably the O-line, where they need the most help.

There's good reason for Giants fans to be happy / optimistic.

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[quote=EdmundDorf;1280052]Cutting Zeitler, their best OL, and not resigning Tomlinson on the DL more than offsets the signings they have made, and they are pushing cap hits into future years as Gettleman has nothing to lose. All for two guys who collectively played 8 games last year[/quote]

That secondary has a chance to be good, but 39 mill for adore Jackson is a wild overpay.

First, honestly he’s been very average. He’s not been great...period

Second...he’s injured all the time. That was a knock when he came out of college and it’s played out as true.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1280061]Some of their additions:

Kenny Golladay
Adoree' Jackson
Devontae Booker
John Ross
Kyle Rudolph
Reggie Ragland
Ryan Anderson

I think they have had a good offseason so far, especially if Golladay and Jackson stay healthy. I think they overspent for both of them, but it's not my money.

They do have Barkley coming back too, which will make them better. They have a high draft pick which will likely net them a starter somewhere. Probably the O-line, where they need the most help.

There's good reason for Giants fans to be happy / optimistic.[/quote]

Anderson, Ragland, john Ross have been busts.

Rudolph is done. New England worked him out and passed immediately.

Booker is meh.

Jackson-avg player, second corner...wildly overpaid.

Golladay is good, but again he’s not even a top 10 receiver in the league. 18 million per is an overpay. Word out of Detroit is they had problems with him last year...being injured and wanting to get back on field. That’s a red flag

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[quote=Chico23231;1280063]Anderson, Ragland, john Ross have been busts.

Rudolph is done. New England worked him out and passed immediately.

Booker is meh.

Jackson-avg player, second corner...wildly overpaid.

Golladay is good, but again he’s not even a top 10 receiver in the league. 18 million per is an overpay. Word out of Detroit is they had problems with him last year...being injured and wanting to get back on field. That’s a red flag[/quote]

The biggest reason I buy into this is because it was Dave Gettleman picking the players. Right away every move he makes, good or bad, starts out the side of my eye.

But Saquon will be coming back and that's a big one. They should be decent.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1280058][url]https://www.si.com/nfl/2021/03/23/deshaun-watson-lawsuits-latest-sexual-assault-harassment[/url]

This Watson stuff could be career ending if true[/quote]

I just don’t get how football players just can’t get out and get laid.

Why do you need to trap woman and sexual assault them...this is some devious, serious shit. Wow

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[quote=Schneed10;1280064]The biggest reason I buy into this is because it was Dave Gettleman picking the players. Right away every move he makes, good or bad, starts out the side of my eye.

But Saquon will be coming back and that's a big one. They should be decent.[/quote]

Yeah, he’s really the engine that makes the offense go. Well he should be the focus at least...it’s a big year for him

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Garrett will get the most out of Rudolph, like he did with Witten.

Mayo vs Anderson (our lb trade that was not a trade) seems like a wash.

Ross/Golladay when combined with Barkley seems like a solid offensive attack.

It really comes down to health and Jones for the Giants. I also don't think Jason Garrett can call a winning offense though.

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[quote=Chico23231;1280063]Anderson, Ragland, john Ross have been busts.

Rudolph is done. New England worked him out and passed immediately.

Booker is meh.

Jackson-avg player, second corner...wildly overpaid.

Golladay is good, but again he’s not even a top 10 receiver in the league. 18 million per is an overpay. Word out of Detroit is they had problems with him last year...being injured and wanting to get back on field. That’s a red flag[/quote]

Yeah, I don't disagree with any of that, but a change of scenery, a different system, a new role... could make a difference for some of these guys. Obviously some potential there and much needed depth.

I'm just saying that Giants fans have reason to be happy - at least the organization isn't sitting on their hands watching free agency go by. They are making moves that, if they pan out, will make the team better.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1280072]Yeah, I don't disagree with any of that, but a change of scenery, a different system, a new role... could make a difference for some of these guys. Obviously some potential there and much needed depth.

I'm just saying that Giants fans have reason to be happy - at least the organization isn't sitting on their hands watching free agency go by. They are making moves that, if they pan out, will make the team better.[/quote]

Yeah, G1 should have some joy in his life before reality sets in 2nd weekend in September

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[quote=Chico23231;1280076]Yeah, G1 should have some joy in his life before reality sets in 2nd weekend in September[/quote]

I have plenty of joy , trump is out , the family is healthy ! Giants have done much to improve the team . I will admit I think the WFT is on the right track . RR has done well. Mayo is a good LBer I liked him very much I was glade to see him hook up with another team.

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If we lose to the Giants twice again this year I'm losing my shit. Enough is definitely enough there.

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[quote=Giantone;1280085]I have plenty of joy , [B]trump is out[/B] , the family is healthy ! Giants have done much to improve the team . I will admit I think the WFT is on the right track . RR has done well. Mayo is a good LBer I liked him very much I was glade to see him hook up with another team.[/quote]

But still rent free

Mayo revenge game > Collins revenge games

Just wish his first name was Duke

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Josh Gordon:

Suspended Josh Gordon training with hope to play in NFL again, says [B]'there's no quit in me'[/B]

That’s kinda the problem dude

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[quote=Chico23231;1280100]Josh Gordon:

Suspended Josh Gordon training with hope to play in NFL again, says [B]'there's no quit in me'[/B]

That’s kinda the problem dude[/quote]

lol seriously

:Smoker:

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I guess Kyle Rudolph's physical revealed a foot issue, that may require surgery (per Garafolo), but the deal is expected to still go through according to Mike Florio.

Man they are banking big time on some dudes with past and current injury concerns.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1280113]I guess Kyle Rudolph's physical revealed a foot issue, that may require surgery (per Garafolo), but the deal is expected to still go through according to Mike Florio.

Man they are banking big time on some dudes with past and current injury concerns.[/quote]

Another excuse for Gettleman to get the wallet out again...