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Trading to the Eagles would have been crazy. Trading him if Shanny wants to is cool, but not for a QB, and not when we would have to face him twice a year. He would have killed McNabb, literally.

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[quote=diehardskin2982;688678]I hope we don't trade him this season.[/quote]

Amen to that.

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[quote=SouperMeister;688716]If we trade Haynesworth for peanuts after giving him $30M, then revert back to the 4-3 after a year of spotty results in the 3-4, then Shanahan should have lots of explaining to do.

Haynesworth is what he is - a dominant player when given the freedom to play the way [I][B]he[/B] [/I]wants to, but a pain in the ass if you ask him to do anything outside his comfort zone.[/quote]

Soup, this doesn't make sense. Shanny should explain what and to [I]whom[/I]? He was bought here to change the culture and assemble a winning organization. If Haynesworth ain't down with that, then he's the one that should be explaining, not the head coach.

As far as Haynesworth being dominant, well, I guess this is where I part ways with most of those who post here. Haynesworth wasn't on the field enough, in my opinion, to be a truly dominant player. I would say he was definitely solid most of the last year and showed flashes here and there, but dominance and consistency go hand in hand in my book.

Shanahan isn't the problem, but it's starting to look like he inherited one.

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[quote=SouperMeister;688716]If we trade Haynesworth for peanuts after giving him $30M, then revert back to the 4-3 after a year of spotty results in the 3-4, then Shanahan should have lots of explaining to do.

Haynesworth is what he is - a dominant player when given the freedom to play the way [I][B]he[/B] [/I]wants to, but a pain in the ass if you ask him to do anything outside his comfort zone.[/quote]

Haynesworth likely would be released anyway in 3 more years so its not like we ever viewed him as an integral part of the long-term success of the team. all that being said, i also question the move to the 3-4 to begin with and think this team would be much better off sticking with the 4-3, playing orakpo at DE, and keeping haynesworth. moving to the 3-4 in 2010 strikes me as a stupid move all around, given all the other needs we have on the team. but if we're going to move to a 3-4, i'd rather go ahead and move haynesworth too. i certainly think we could get multiple, less talented players and/or picks out of it.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;688726]Haynesworth likely would be released anyway in 3 more years so its not like we ever viewed him as an integral part of the long-term success of the team. all that being said, [B]i also question the move to the 3-4 to begin with and think this team would be much better off sticking with the 4-3, playing orakpo at DE, and keeping haynesworth. moving to the 3-4 in 2010 strikes me as a stupid move all around, given all the other needs we have on the team. but if we're going to move to a 3-4, i'd rather go ahead and move haynesworth too. i certainly think we could get multiple, less talented players and/or picks out of it.[/B][/quote]

I agree.
This forced move to a 3-4 when our defensive roster is built for a 4-3. We do not have nearly enough quality LB's to play it for a whole season.
I am also not sold on this D-Coordinator. Has he ever had great success anywhere? I am asking because I do not know.

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It's really crazy to me that someone would support AH over MS.

Allen and Shanahan were brought in for a reason, the old way of doing things wasn't working. A new regime needs to do things their way. Just look at the changes made in Denver, first Cutler was shipped out and now Marshall. As great as those guys were for that team in the past, they were simply not a fit for their new direction.

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[quote=Mattyk;688728][B]It's really crazy to me that someone would support AH over MS.
[/B]
Allen and Shanahan were brought in for a reason, the old way of doing things wasn't working. A new regime needs to do things their way. Just look at the changes made in Denver, first Cutler was shipped out and now Marshall. As great as those guys were for that team in the past, they were simply not a fit for their new direction.[/quote]

Why did it ever get to this point? Portis has been much more of a malcontent as a Redskin than Haynesworth, but Shanahan did not pick on Portis as he has with Haynesworth. Deciding to workout on his own or voicing his opinion that he would rather not play in a 3-4, but will if asked.....is that worth turning a player into public enemy #1? I really have a problem with coaches that feel they have to publicly make a player out to be the bad guy. Keep it behind closed doors like Patriots do, not in the media.

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;688548]tryfuhl, don't fill the Godzilla haters minds with facts. According to them the only times he stepped on the field he ended the play rolling around on the ground.

He had nothing to do with single handedly stopping the Giants line, fullback and rhinocerous of a runningback on that 4th and one. He also had nothing to do with shutting down Dallas' short yardage plays.[/quote]


You're right but what was the record in those games.
I didn't watch every snap this season, but he did pull up lame quite a bit. Also he missed four games.

When he was on the field, there is no doubt about it he was feared by the opposing team and was a disruptive force.

My 15-20 snaps per game was wrong, here is the official numbers I found while googling for it. 573/795 = 72.1%; 47.8 snaps per game. He is on par with most other DTs for snaps per game. The difference is they are not being paid 100M.

And love Albert or hate him, I am with the Coach first and foremost always.

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[quote=Defensewins;688731]Why did it ever get to this point? Portis has been much more of a malcontent as a Redskin than Haynesworth, but Shanahan did not pick on Portis as he has with Haynesworth. Deciding to workout on his own or voicing his opinion that he would rather not play in a 3-4, but will if asked.....is that worth turingin a player in public enemy #1?[/quote]

I don't think it's anything personal, I would guess that even before this offseason workout stuff came up AH was identified as a player to be moved this offseason.

I haven't heard a peep outta Portis lately, have u? He seems to be playing the good soldier routine just fine. Regardless, CP fits in to our plans, AH doesn't.

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How about Haynesworth to the Lions for Gosder Cherilus RT, the Lions 3rd Round Pick #66, and their 2011 3rd Round Pick.

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[quote=SkinsfanNTX;688749]How about Haynesworth to the Lions for Gosder Cherilus RT, the Lions 3rd Round Pick #66, and their 2011 3rd Round Pick.[/quote]

I would say keep the player and make those picks 2nd rounders

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[quote=Mattyk;688733]I don't think it's anything personal, I would guess that even before this offseason workout stuff came up AH was identified as a player to be moved this offseason.

I haven't heard a peep outta Portis lately, have u? He seems to be playing the good soldier routine just fine. [B] Regardless, CP fits in to our plans, AH doesn't.[/B][/quote]

In your opinion.
We hear all this big talk about how Shanahan wants to change the culture and piss poor attitude of the players. How is keeping Portis who has a history of being the #1 selfish asshole on our team changing the culture?
Plus Portis has durability issues and possible concussion problems that he has not tested yet, not to mention his huge $10M a year cost. If our front office really thinks Portis fits into our future plans I disagree with them. Portis gives up ans stops running hard when things do not go well.

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[quote=Mattyk;688753]I would say keep the player and make those picks 2nd rounders[/quote]


AH is worth at least 2 second rounders for sure.

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[quote=Defensewins;688758]In your opinion.
We hear all this big talk about how Shanahan wants to change the culture and piss poor attitude of the players. How is keeping Portis who has a history of being the #1 selfish asshole on our team changing the culture?
Plus Portis has durability issues and possible concussion problems that he has not tested yet, not to mention his huge $10M a year cost. If our front office really thinks Portis fits into our future plans I disagree with them. Portis gives up ans stops running hard when things do not go well.[/quote]

Well I'll trust Shanny when it comes to Portis, he has a history there with him and knows him much better than any of us.

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[quote=Defensewins;688719]I agree.
I would rather have a roster full of talented players that make the playoffs more times than not, make an occasional SB and that [B]do not attend [/B]any of the off season voluntary programs than a bunch boyscout type players that get pushed around.
Dave Butz and John Riggins did their own thing, never attended any of the off season programs and they were referred to back them as players that played to the beat of a diffrent drum. Nobody screamed about it because it was ok back then.
Now we got a bunch of whiney coaches and fans that bitch about people that are different.
[B]I am most amazed at some of the misquoted stuff that Haynesworth supposedly said.[/quote][/B]

I agree with your comments. I really would like someone to post all the stuff AH has said. Because the only thing being said about AH being uncooperative is by everyone but AH. The last qoute AH said is that he was willing to work with Haslett on his scheme.