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[quote=12thMan;893129]That video is inconclusive. Also, not ONCE during the presser did Manning say he's healthy.

Let's be real here, if Manning was even close to 100%, there's no presser today and the Colts are talking about Manning under center, Luck behind him, to start the season.[/quote]

Or... lets be more serious.... the team realized its mistake in giving him such a big contract with so much guarenteed money, plus the fact PM saying to the public no way he wants to stay if they draft Luck, along with the fact everyone around him coaching wise was let go, and him getting a $28 mill dollar bonus (bonus not paycheck). I'm sure the owner is glad to be done with the bad contract and ready to start anew with fresh coaching, fresh QB, and build another power house.

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;893144]I think PM is going anywhere but the NFC EAST does not want to compete with his brother to make the playoffs. IMO he wouldn't mind playing him in the playoffs & SB but not the division.[/quote]

Everyone acts like he doesn't want to be a thorn in his brothers side and won't come to the NFCE. What if he's looking at it from a different perspective, He gets to see his brother twice a year, family gets to get together twice a year, family is all on the East coast with in 8 hrs of each other so mom and dad won't have to travel too far when visiting.

I figure PM wants another ring as do most of us. He can come here get his ring and bug out if he wants and his brother will still have several more yrs to play. Better yet how about he comes and plays for us for a year or two, then moves into some sort of coaching position to get more rings if possible.

I know, I know, PM may not want to coach or may not be a good teacher. Hell all he would have to do is help devise an offensive scheme each week. Maybe if he and KS get along, MS can step back and stay in the front office and give the HCing job to KS and PM can be the OC?

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[quote=SmootSmack;893022]What is this about Manning having great skill players around him all his life? Were Garcon, Collie, Gonzalez, Clark really that skilled or did Manning make them so?[/quote]

[quote=celts32;893059]No...he made everyone on that list what they are. Even Wayne and Harrison drop a couple notches with almost any other QB.[/quote]

I think you have to take each player case by case. I think sometimes in a rush to say the most obvious thing quickly (and before it becomes too obvious), it's easy to reinforce looking at the Colts as this well oiled machine instead of this group of individuals who might someday have a 2-14 season.

Dallas Clark? Dallas Clark wouldn't have been a great player on another team? Can we start there? Dallas Clark is a pretty darn good NFL player. Same with Anthony Gonzalez: his career is where it is now because he can't stay healthy, not because he was overdrafted.

Pierre Garcon? I mean, Peyton Manning [I]didn't[/I] make Pierre Garcon a consistent NFL receiver. Garcon doesn't catch the ball consistently. He actually had his best season overall in terms of making the catch with Curtis Painter at quarterback. I'm sure this doesn't reflect on Painter as the next Manning, it's just that we can say that Pierre Garcon wasn't very good as a member of the Colts.

That leaves Collie, who was fantastic with Manning, and awful with Collins and Painter. Fortunately, Peyton Manning accomplished enough with the Colts where he won't be remembered as "that guy who gave Austin Collie a career." And frankly, I'm not all that swayed by the argument that Manning is great -- not because he wins or throws for 40,000 yards and 40 TDs regularly -- but because Austin Collie had fantasy value playing with him.

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[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/07/report-redskins-will-make-aggressive-effort-to-sign-manning/]Report: Redskins will make “aggressive effort” to sign Manning | ProFootballTalk[/url]

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[quote=Mattyk;893133]Healthy or not I don't think there was a chance they were going to bring him back. They made it clear when they hired a new GM and head coach that they were cleaning house and moving on. Plus you don't draft a guy like Luck and sit him for 2-3 years.[/quote]

Cause and effect: Manning's injury precipitated related events. A healthy Manning and the Colts are probably close to being a playoff team.

Anyway...it is what it is at this point.

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[quote=SBXVII;893167][url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/07/report-redskins-will-make-aggressive-effort-to-sign-manning/]Report: Redskins will make “aggressive effort” to sign Manning | ProFootballTalk[/url][/quote]

Let's see if we can't get this story linked a 5th time in this thread

Why not 18?

re: Colts Officially Release Peyton Manning (QB Thread #11)
 

if pft says it, it must be true!

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[quote=SmootSmack;893170]Let's see if we can't get this story linked a 5th time in this thread[/quote]

lololololol

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[quote=SBXVII;893061]1-check. reported MS would love for a QB like that again. (Elway)
2-check. MS reported the Skins were one last year.
3-check. we are a WCO with zone blocking.
4-check. we got the CAP space and need those positions. All.
4A- coach? whom? I thought all his immediate coaches have signed elswhere?
5-your probably correct but he did say he'd take a contract that was incentive based. But with demand from several teams will prbably bring about a nice paycheck with guarentee's.[/quote]

When i was typing those things out i was thinking to myself that the Redskins fit the bill on all of them.

Number 1 is debatable though, as both Shanahans seem to be micro managing control freaks and McNabb was forced to do some things he didnt want to. When people debate Manning vs Brady the biggest argument for Manning is his always his "intangibles" or coach on the field stuff. If he isnt giving the absolute freedom to do things exactly how he wants to hes just a 36 year old QB on a new team.

I dont think anyone would be stupid enough to try to get Manning to do things any differently then he has in the past. Thats part of why i like the idea of Manning; Kyle would instantly become Peyton's assistant.

I have no idea who would be the coach if any. But as good as Manning is im pretty sure he has had a really good support system around him, probably one he helped develop. It may have been needed less in the later years but you got to get everyone in sync and on the same page.

When he goes to another team and has to teach everyone how to do things his way, build chemistry w the offense, recover and go through growing pains after being out a year i think he will be smart enough to bring over a few authority figures to implement his system his way. Not sure if anyone would get replaced, maybe personal guys or assistant type guys. Maybe just FA vet camp bodies.

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Before, when Peyton's arm looked like it was a noodle, I did not want the Skins to pursue him.

Looks like he's back to normal now, so I expect the Skins to make a run at him with RG3 as the backup plan. I think I'd rather have RG3 because of the longer-term value but I think the team will try to get Manning. If they do get him, I'll still be thrilled, we have not had a real QB since Mark Rypien 20 years ago.

In the end, I think he'll go to Miami or Arizona to play in a warmer place for his neck and possibly extending his career a year or two. There are no other dome teams really in the mix so I think climate will play a role in his decision.

Rex Ryan will ensure the Jets and their dysfunctional team are out.

Seattle's rain and cold, plus lack of talent outside Lynch and Rice will eliminate them.


I think it's between the Phins and Cards with the Skins' offer being the wild card.

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[quote=That Guy;893176]if pft says it, it must be true![/quote]

PFT said what?

Yeah I agree I think those 3 teams are the front runners but again Miami just installed a new system and Matt Flynn makes sense

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[quote=Monkeydad;893179]Before, when Peyton's arm looked like it was a noodle, I did not want the Skins to pursue him.

Looks like he's back to normal now, so I expect the Skins to make a run at him with RG3 as the backup plan. I think I'd rather have RG3 because of the longer-term value but I think the team will try to get Manning. If they do get him, I'll still be thrilled, we have not had a real QB since Mark Rypien 20 years ago.

In the end, I think he'll go to Miami or Arizona to play in a warmer place for his neck and possibly extending his career a year or two. There are no other dome teams really in the mix so I think climate will play a role in his decision.

Rex Ryan will ensure the Jets and their dysfunctional team are out.

Seattle's rain and cold, plus lack of talent outside Lynch and Rice will eliminate them.


I think it's between the Phins and Cards with the Skins' offer being the wild card.[/quote]

Where have you been...if you don't mind my asking

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Keep in mind folks other team fans feel and act just like us....

[url=http://www.seahawks.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=43464]Seahawks.NET - The Essential Seahawks Community Forum • View topic - PFT: Seahawks willing to spend BIG for Peyton Manning[/url]

[url=http://www.seahawks.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=43467]Seahawks.NET - The Essential Seahawks Community Forum • View topic - Too Funny. the Az Tards Fans are convinced that Manning is[/url]

[url=http://www.thephins.com/forums/showthread.php?68922-Landing-Peyton-Manning-Another-test-for-Ross-Ireland]Landing Peyton Manning: Another test for Ross / Ireland[/url]

[url=http://www.thephins.com/forums/showthread.php?68924-If-we-sign-Manning]If we sign Manning...[/url]

[url=http://forums.azcardinals.com/showthread.php?t=60194]Do you want Peyton Manning cardinals fans? - Arizona Cardinals Forums[/url]

[url=http://forums.azcardinals.com/showthread.php?t=60183]ACTUAL chances of Manning signing here? - Arizona Cardinals Forums[/url]

[url=http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=149&f=1547&t=8775445]Scout.com: Holmgren needs to get on the phone to Peyton...[/url]

[url=http://www.jetsinsider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=242080]Please.....let's stop the debating - Jets Insider.com Forums[/url]

[url=http://boards.houstontexans.com/showthread.php?t=30122]Mike & Mike & First Take - Houston Texans Message Boards[/url]

re: Colts Officially Release Peyton Manning (QB Thread #11)
 

[quote=SmootSmack;893170]Let's see if we can't get this story linked a 5th time in this thread[/quote]

I'm on it.

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[quote=SmootSmack;893183]Where have you been...if you don't mind my asking[/quote]

VERY busy. End of year/tax time was killer this year (accountant).

Also, have a new baby girl (6 months old now), had nose surgery from a gym accident, family got t-boned by a drunk driver (all OK, car totaled), installing wood flooring throughout my house and overall just being a headless chicken.

Thanks for asking. Good to be back, even for a minute.

HAD to log on today to see how you guys feel about Peyton Manning and the Gregg Williams thing.




edit: just checked...you guys have not had to endure one of my posts since 10/24/11!

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[quote=mlmpetert;893178]When i was typing those things out i was thinking to myself that the Redskins fit the bill on all of them.

Number 1 is debatable though, as both Shanahans seem to be micro managing control freaks and McNabb was forced to do some things he didnt want to. When people debate Manning vs Brady the biggest argument for Manning is his always his "intangibles" or coach on the field stuff. If he isnt giving the absolute freedom to do things exactly how he wants to hes just a 36 year old QB on a new team.

I dont think anyone would be stupid enough to try to get Manning to do things any differently then he has in the past. Thats part of why i like the idea of Manning; Kyle would instantly become Peyton's assistant.

I have no idea who would be the coach if any. But as good as Manning is im pretty sure he has had a really good support system around him, probably one he helped develop. It may have been needed less in the later years but you got to get everyone in sync and on the same page.

When he goes to another team and has to teach everyone how to do things his way, build chemistry w the offense, recover and go through growing pains after being out a year i think he will be smart enough to bring over a few authority figures to implement his system his way. Not sure if anyone would get replaced, maybe personal guys or assistant type guys. Maybe just FA vet camp bodies.[/quote]

100% agree, but McNabb would have worked out had he atleast remembered the play calls and if he would wear a wrist band but he didn't then it might have worked out. But I think it had just as much to do with him not hitting his WR's.

I think PM will do better to remember the plays and would probably do whatever it took to make the team better.

re: Colts Officially Release Peyton Manning (QB Thread #11)
 

[quote=SmootSmack;893170]Let's see if we can't get this story linked a 5th time in this thread[/quote]

[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/07/report-redskins-will-make-aggressive-effort-to-sign-manning/]Report: Redskins will make “aggressive effort” to sign Manning | ProFootballTalk[/url]

Hey guys, read this fantastic article

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[quote=SBXVII;893167][url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/07/report-redskins-will-make-aggressive-effort-to-sign-manning/]Report: Redskins will make “aggressive effort” to sign Manning | ProFootballTalk[/url][/quote]

[quote=SmootSmack;893170]Let's see if we can't get this story linked a 5th time in this thread [/quote]

[quote=SmootSmack;893170]PFT said what? [/quote]

Just tryin to help you out Smoot :cheeky-sm

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It's gotta be an easy job when you can just write the same rumor over and over.

re: Colts Officially Release Peyton Manning (QB Thread #11)
 

[quote=Evilgrin;893205]It's gotta be an easy job when you can just write the same rumor over and over.[/quote]

Just ask Smoot. :P




















(just kidding, good to be back)

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[quote=SmootSmack;892952]I see. I think right now I'll handicap it

1. Cardinals
2. Redskins
3. Jets
4. Dolphins
5. Seahawks
6. Chiefs[/quote]

If I were Manning I would handicap it:

1) Texans - Most Talented team with out a top 5 QB.
2) 49ers - Second most talented team with out a top 5 Qb.
3) Jets
4) Redskins
5) Seahawks
6) Dolphins
7) Cardinals

For Manning this has to be about winning another Championship, this is not about money or location. Manning has enough money. Manning is such a huge competitor, his brother has two rings. Peyton wants another.
Redskins have a ton of cap space and some good pieces in place. Skins have a chance. Small chance, but still a chance.

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[quote=Monkeydad;893189]VERY busy. End of year/tax time was killer this year (accountant).

Also, have a new baby girl (6 months old now), had nose surgery from a gym accident, family got t-boned by a drunk driver (all OK, car totaled), installing wood flooring throughout my house and overall just being a headless chicken.

Thanks for asking. Good to be back, even for a minute.

HAD to log on today to see how you guys feel about Peyton Manning and the Gregg Williams thing.


edit: just checked...you guys have not had to endure one of my posts since 10/24/11![/quote]

Wow. Glad to hear the family is ok.

Andray Blatche elbow you in a pick up game?

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;893199]Just tryin to help you out Smoot :cheeky-sm[/quote]

LOL. Thanks

Of course, PFT isn't really saying anything

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honestly, if i were manning, i'd go to the 49ers and insist on WR/OL signings.

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[quote=That Guy;893212]honestly, if i were manning, i'd go to the 49ers and insist on WR/OL signings.[/quote]

Crabtree, Braylon Edwards (if resigned), Tedd Ginn and Reggie Wayne (tagging along) are good enough for Peyton.

Lose that kid who can't catch punts though.

I think they're sticking with Smith. A year ago, it would be an easy decision to cut ties with Alex Smith, but now he's made things interesting and Harbaugh loves him.

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[quote=That Guy;893212]honestly, if i were manning, i'd go to the 49ers and insist on WR/OL signings.[/quote]

If Vincent Jackson and Garcon join Manning in SF, that is a power move.

Imagine Manning to Andre Johnson of the Texans and their running game and TE's. How could PManning not be thinking about that? I would.

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[quote=Monkeydad;893179]Before, when Peyton's arm looked like it was a noodle, I did not want the Skins to pursue him.[/quote]

His arm is now al dente. Try the veal (RGIII).

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would he sign a contract that pays the exact percentage of snaps taken? can that type of contract exist? that's the only way i trust the poor bag of bones.

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[quote=Defensewins;893214]Imagine Manning to Andre Johnson of the Texans and their running game and TE's. How could PManning not be thinking about that? I would.[/quote]

So if the Texans do decide to go with Manning...

Anyone want Schaub here? We know he can run the system!

They'll probably call us with a trade offer.

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[quote=Monkeydad;893189]VERY busy. End of year/tax time was killer this year (accountant).

Also, have a new baby girl (6 months old now), had nose surgery from a gym accident, family got t-boned by a drunk driver (all OK, car totaled), installing wood flooring throughout my house and overall just being a headless chicken.

Thanks for asking. Good to be back, even for a minute.

HAD to log on today to see how you guys feel about Peyton Manning and the Gregg Williams thing.




edit: just checked...you guys have not had to endure one of my posts since 10/24/11![/quote]



been a while M.D! Welcome back bro glad to see ev thing is good

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[quote=Monkeydad;893225]So if the Texans do decide to go with Manning...

Anyone want Schaub here? We know he can run the system!

They'll probably call us with a trade offer.[/quote]

I said No to Schaub earlier for injury concerns but you know what? Why not I do think hes a good QB and obviously we need one so yes I'd say Manning, RG3, and now Schaub if available

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[url=http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=nfp-20120307_marshall_faulk_says_peyton_manning_will_not_go_to_nfc_team]Marshall Faulk says Peyton Manning will not go to NFC team - NFL - Yahoo! Sports[/url]

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[quote=SBXVII;893156][B]My point is Montana had the same surgery and took some serious hits and he did fine.[/B] They say every year several players have this surgery. I thought several had the same surgery last year and only PM was the one not playing. If there was any situation where the doctors felt his neck surgery put him in a postition to be paralized or break on a serious hit they wouldn't clear him.[/quote]

Montana had a bad back, played two years in KC and was done. He missed games both season cause he couldn't stay on the field. He did get them to the AFC championship.

This is a different situation. This injury is to a nerve/nerves that go into his tricep, which is the major muscle to his throwing arm. Plus we have way too many holes here. Yeah we'll go the FA route but as we know that just doesn't work. See Philly and past Redskins teams. Manning will make us better, but we're still not a SB team w/ him under center.

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[quote=CrazyCanuck;893233][URL="http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=nfp-20120307_marshall_faulk_says_peyton_manning_will_not_go_to_nfc_team"]Marshall Faulk says Peyton Manning will not go to NFC team - NFL - Yahoo! Sports[/URL][/quote]


LOL I love how everyone says PM doesn't want to play against ELI.. I mean what is this? This is the NFL not playing in your backyard where u always pick your bro on your team.. Money talks and if ARZ, WSH etc. offers PM a wealthy deal he'll take it.

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[quote=skinsfan69;893235]Montana had a bad back, played two years in KC and was done. He missed games both season cause he couldn't stay on the field. He did get them to the AFC championship.

This is a different situation. This injury is to a nerve/nerves that go into his tricep, which is the major muscle to his throwing arm. Plus we have way too many holes here. Yeah we'll go the FA route but as we know that just doesn't work. See Philly and past Redskins teams. Manning will make us better, but we're still not a SB team w/ him under center.[/quote]

Montana had a lumbar back fusion not neck.


Why can't skins fans want to cultivate their own superstar? It seems that they always want someone elses reject. Manning is a reject at this point.

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I just heard an interesting unconfirmed rumor -- if he does play, Miami within 10 days.

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[quote=That Guy;893212]honestly, if i were manning, i'd go to the 49ers and insist on WR/OL signings.[/quote]

I read somewhere that the 49ers have said they are not interested in PM.

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No way will Daniel Snyder allow Peyton to get away. The man gets what he wants, period.