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My 2021 big board. Not necessarily the best 19 players, but this would be my big board for our team:

1. Trevor Lawrence
2. Zach Wilson
3. Justin Fields
4. Trey Lance
5. Penei Sewell
6. Patrick Surtain II
7. Kyle Pitts
8. Micah Parsons
9. Caleb Farley
10. Devonta Smith
11. Ja'Marr Chase
12. Christian Darrisaw
13. Rashawn Slater
14. Jaylen Waddle
15. Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah
16. Trevon Moehrig
17. Jaycee Horn
18. Zaven Collins
19. Samuel Cosmi

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[quote=SkinzWin;1274356]Texans have had internal conversations about possible trade partners for Deshaun Watson and what their quarterback position would look like in the future without him, per ESPN’s @sarahbarshop.

HOU -> WAS[/quote]

he is not coming here. not happening.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1274494]he is not coming here. not happening.[/quote]

It's not likely but it's worth a shot

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[quote=skinsfan69;1274494]he is not coming here. not happening.[/quote]

Okay Debbie Downer, go rain on someone else’s parade.

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Damn, the draft isn't until April 29th. 3+ months away.

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What scares me about giving up the farm for a QB is the injury bug ... let’s say we give up this years #1 and next years #1 and a player for Watson .. then Something crazy happens ( Smith, Burrow, RG3, type injury.. ) it’s bad enough to have it happen if you use your pick but to go all in and use a ton of resources on one player ..We need a QB for sure and I would look at trading maybe This years first but not much more than that ( I know Watson would take a ton to get .. just not sure if I would do that )

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Chris Olave and Jeremy Ruckert both announced they are returning to Ohio State for next year. So that is 2 receivers off the draft board.

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[quote=Ohioskins;1274606]Chris Olave and Jeremy Ruckert both announced they are returning to Ohio State for next year. So that is 2 receivers off the draft board.[/quote]

Olave - Pretty surprising. Probably a lock to be picked in top 50. Looks like he wants top 25. Risky gamble.

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[quote=Ohioskins;1274606]Chris Olave and Jeremy Ruckert both announced they are returning to Ohio State for next year. So that is 2 receivers off the draft board.[/quote]

I really liked Ruckert...what a player

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Potential late round QB project:

Kent State QB Dustin Crum

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1274806]Potential late round QB project:

Kent State QB Dustin Crum[/quote]

Think he's going back to play college ball in 2021.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1274809]Think he's going back to play college ball in 2021.[/quote]

Yep, you're correct.

[url]https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.morningjournal.com/sports/kent-state-qb-dustin-crum-of-midview-excited-about-return-in-2021/article_b9ea8576-4483-11eb-ad28-8b80f50a214c.amp.html[/url]

Potential 2022* late round QB project:

Kent State QB Dustin Crum

I won't start that thread yet lol. Some of the sites don't update their prospect rankings very quick when guys decide to return for another year.

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skinsfaninok, what is up with the PFF mock draft simulator? I just picked one of the top QBs available every round until there weren't anymore available.

[IMG]https://i.ibb.co/84dkQnF/download-1.png[/IMG]

I noticed that no matter who or when I picked a QB I got an A+. Just wanted to see what would happen. Look at those amazing grades lol. 6 of 7 were A+.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1274835]skinsfaninok, what is up with the PFF mock draft simulator? I just picked one of the top QBs available every round until there weren't anymore available.

[IMG]https://i.ibb.co/84dkQnF/download-1.png[/IMG]

I noticed that no matter who or when I picked a QB I got an A+. Just wanted to see what would happen. Look at those amazing grades lol. 6 of 7 were A+.[/quote]

I like that draft. Got to be able to find a starter somewhere in that gang right? 😁

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1274835]skinsfaninok, what is up with the PFF mock draft simulator? I just picked one of the top QBs available every round until there weren't anymore available.

[IMG]https://i.ibb.co/84dkQnF/download-1.png[/IMG]

I noticed that no matter who or when I picked a QB I got an A+. Just wanted to see what would happen. Look at those amazing grades lol. 6 of 7 were A+.[/quote]

I like a man who is determined to solve a problem, a man who thinks out of the box. You are a regular Mike Ditka when it comes to boldness in drafting!

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1274835]skinsfaninok, what is up with the PFF mock draft simulator? I just picked one of the top QBs available every round until there weren't anymore available.

[IMG]https://i.ibb.co/84dkQnF/download-1.png[/IMG]

I noticed that no matter who or when I picked a QB I got an A+. Just wanted to see what would happen. Look at those amazing grades lol. 6 of 7 were A+.[/quote]

The position value is always greater at QB. It's how the computer works lol.

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The use of Position value can be set in PFF simulator

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[quote=EdmundDorf;1274903]The use of Position value can be set in PFF simulator[/quote]

I did this with all medium settings. That's pretty absurd. Computer might need a few tweaks. Even at the lowest setting that isn't reasonable.

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Does it account for position taken in the rating? Maybe try picking Crum at #1?

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[quote=AnonEmouse;1274879]I like that draft. Got to be able to find a starter somewhere in that gang right? 😁[/quote]

Probably end up being David Moore out of Central Michigan

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[quote=AnonEmouse;1274943]Does it account for position taken in the rating? Maybe try picking Crum at #1?[/quote]

I did another one for all teams, where I drafted all QBs for like the 1st 15 teams until no more were left. Most of those were A+.

Kellen Mond and Shane Buechele in the top 10 were definitely both A+ from memory.

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Did this assuming a 1st and 3rd trade for Stafford.

51: R2 P19 - OT Jalen Mayfield - Michigan
74: R3 P10 - S Paris Ford - Pittsburgh
121: R4 P19 - WR Ihmir Smith-Marsette - Iowa
160: R5 P19 - G Tommy Kraemer - Notre Dame
239: R7 P17 - CB Nick McCloud - Notre Dame
241: R7 P19 - TE Briley Moore - Kansas State

Not gonna be able to hit on everything position that could be upgraded, but you can still bring in some good guys and/or competition. 2nd and 3rd rounders would both be instant starters imo. Would need to sign LB(s) in FA.

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A pick I could live with: [url]https://newarena.com/nfl/early-2021-nfl-mock-draft-features-some-franchise-changing-prospects/19/?amxt=yhdt_nar_e[/url]

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Did an auto mock. I could live with this...

[IMG]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210126/a0868b8f4984d549ee791b4e5f03829b.png[/IMG]

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Trey has big time potential. I just don't see him falling that far

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1275525]Trey has big time potential. I just don't see him falling that far[/quote]

He seems to be coveted, but I am hesitant about him. He did have one great year, but he has only played in 18 games I think.

Dwayne Haskins had more experience than him leaving college.

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Does this draft seem pretty deep on top end talent? Seems like there are 4 QBs w 1st round grade potential and like 6 WRs.

if we stay at 19, we should be able to pick up a stud WR.

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[quote=SunnySide;1275575]Does this draft seem pretty deep on top end talent? Seems like there are 4 QBs w 1st round grade potential and like 6 WRs.

if we stay at 19, we should be able to pick up a stud WR.[/quote]

Teams drafting QBs early will stretch that talent out further too.

I hope the BPA on the board at 19 (if we still have that pick) is OL, DB, or ILB.

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[quote=SunnySide;1275575]Does this draft seem pretty deep on top end talent? Seems like there are 4 QBs w 1st round grade potential and like 6 WRs.

if we stay at 19, we should be able to pick up a stud WR.[/quote]

Definitely a lot of WR options. I think we can get a real damn good WR even at 51.

LT and WR have a lot of options in the top 51. I hope we get at least 1 of these positions in the 1st 2 rounds.

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Darrisaw or a stud WR in the 1st.... bamas LB Moses in 2nd or 3rd .. idk I really dont get a chance to watch a lot of college ball so i go by mock drafts lol sigh

I feel like theres 19 plus players in this years tier 1 when usually its like 6-12 or so.

I do think we see 4 QBs go before our pick.

But does this draft feel deeper than usual for high end talent or am I just feeling that bc we have no. 19 and I need a deep draft as a fan with the no. 19 pick? if that makes sense

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[quote=SunnySide;1275594]Darrisaw or a stud WR in the 1st.... bamas LB Moses in 2nd or 3rd .. idk I really dont get a chance to watch a lot of college ball so i go by mock drafts lol sigh

I feel like theres 19 plus players in this years tier 1 when usually its like 6-12 or so.

I do think we see 4 QBs go before our pick.

But does this draft feel deeper than usual for high end talent or am I just feeling that bc we have no. 19 and I need a deep draft as a fan with the no. 19 pick? if that makes sense[/quote]

I like reading and doing mock drafts just to see different names. Punch posted 1 and I knew who every player was besides the very last pick just from reading mocks. That is their best redeeming quality. Everyone is just guessing what front offices are thinking. No real truth on 99% of the actual picks.

The older you get the harder it is to watch a lot of random games. I pretty much only watch my teams at this point. I'll catch the 2nd half of other games if I can.

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I don't like drafting WR in the 1st, I would rather have LT, MLB and FS, one of Darrisaw/Moehrig/Zaven Collins should be there.... WFT has so many needs that best player available is easy justify aside from DL

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[quote=EdmundDorf;1275610]I don't like drafting WR in the 1st, I would rather have LT, MLB and FS, one of Darrisaw/Moehrig/Zaven Collins should be there.... WFT has so many needs that best player available is easy justify aside from DL[/quote]

I'd gladly take all those guys you referenced. All solid picks for what our team needs.

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Paris Ford is my favorite random player for this draft.

Ford and Curl would be good safety duo.

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Didn’t realize the senior bowl week was underway. Not sure this article is worth anything but I like the sound of this late round sleeper blocking TE, something we need.

John Bates, TE, Boise State is not the fastest, quickest, nor the prettiest athlete on the field. Rather, he is a damn good football player and was efficient and productive in every area of the tight end position on Thursday.
He showed himself to be a terrific blocker and consistently controlled opponents at the point of attack. At the same time, he caught just about everything thrown at him. A late addition to the Senior Bowl, he increased his NFL Draft stock in Mobile.


[URL="https://www.profootballnetwork.com/nfl-draft-stock-senior-bowl-risers-thursday-practice-2021/"]https://www.profootballnetwork.com/nfl-draft-stock-senior-bowl-risers-thursday-practice-2021/[/URL]

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1275526]He seems to be coveted, but I am hesitant about him. He did have one great year, but he has only played in 18 games I think.

Dwayne Haskins had more experience than him leaving college.[/quote]

Yeah but unlike Haskins, he’s reported to be a grinder. One of the hardest working, most detailed oriented, organized players you’ll ever meet. That’s a recipe for for success even if you have limited gam experiences. Those are the intangibles that help you grow. Unlike raw talent and a lazy work ethic.

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[quote=SkinzWin;1276020]Yeah but unlike Haskins, he’s reported to be a grinder. One of the hardest working, most detailed oriented, organized players you’ll ever meet. That’s a recipe for for success even if you have limited gam experiences. Those are the intangibles that help you grow. Unlike raw talent and a lazy work ethic.[/quote]

Yeah, I don't know that much about him. Haven't seen one game of his. I'm sure he is all you describe him to be, but that won't make him ready for the NFL in 2021. If you are going to draft a player in the top of the 1st round, he should be coming in to start in year 1 - at least at some point.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1276025]Yeah, I don't know that much about him. Haven't seen one game of his. I'm sure he is all you describe him to be, but that won't make him ready for the NFL in 2021. If you are going to draft a player in the top of the 1st round, he should be coming in to start in year 1 - at least at some point.[/quote]

Not if you’re Aaron Rodgers. And yes, I know, there was Brett Favre. But if he’s not ready, you get a 1-2 year bridge vet and let the kid grow. If the kid isn’t NFL ready, but has the requisite tools to excel, you got to look at it that way. I would honestly prefer it, bc it would give us another year or two to build a better line and skill position weapons so when the kid comes in you aren’t putting as much pressure on him to do more with less.

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[quote=SkinzWin;1276027]Not if you’re Aaron Rodgers. And yes, I know, there was Brett Favre. But if he’s not ready, you get a 1-2 year bridge vet and let the kid grow. If the kid isn’t NFL ready, but has the requisite tools to excel, you got to look at it that way. I would honestly prefer it, bc it would give us another year or two to build a better line and skill position weapons so when the kid comes in you aren’t putting as much pressure on him to do more with less.[/quote]

Aaron Rodgers was pick # 24, not the top half of the 1st round. I'd be more willing to let a QB sit for a year and learn if he's picked ~20-32. Lance is projected to be picked in the top 10, some mocks have him as early as #4. If that's the case, he should start day 1.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1276030]Aaron Rodgers was pick # 24, not the top half of the 1st round. I'd be more willing to let a QB sit for a year and learn if he's picked ~20-32. Lance is projected to be picked in the top 10, some mocks have him as early as #4. If that's the case, he should start day 1.[/quote]

Mahomes was picked at #10.

I doubt if Lance starts day 1, no matter where he's drafted.