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[quote=Ruhskins;1275342]We have a lot of key positions on rookie deals and the team needs to win now before they have to pay those guys. You wait an additional 3-5 years to figure out your QB situation,[B] you need to start making decisions on who to pay and who not to pay.[/B]

You're not going to address every single position this offseaon. Also, the team needs to take advantage of the funk a lot of the NFC East teams are going through right now. I don't understand why people are so cautious about it.[/quote]

Teams do this on an annual basis. Tough decisions have to be made every year.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1275345]Exactly! NO, they are not close to the Bucs, Saints, or Rams defense. They are not comparable to Houston or Detroit either - probably somewhere in the middle. But they are also just a couple key injuries away from not being relevant at all.

Look, this team won a terrible division. Five of their seven wins came against backup QBs. Most opponents from outside the division, who had their starting QB, ran up 30+ points on this team. The schedule is much tougher next year. There are just too many holes to fill on both sides of the ball to say this team is close - on either side of the ball.

Not sorry. I'm not all in for just the next 3-5 years. I'm all in for the the next 5 years and the future beyond that, which means keep / resign your studs, fill some holes in free agency, and continue to build the team through the draft. If you can do that AND get Stafford/Watson - then by all means do that. But if you can't, then it's not a smart idea.[/quote]


Just about every team is a few key injuries from not being relevant.

I also dont get how people are like "I am for the future" In the current NFL state either you win now or you don't have a future. So for everyone who is saying build through the draft and FA, who is this QB you expect us to get?

I'd like to point out Ryan Tannehill who was traded for and has helped turn the Titans into contenders which is something Mariotta couldn't do. He is also 32, so I ask who do you all think is better Tannehill or Stafford??

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Sounds like everyone is all for Stafford, the acceptable compensation is the deciding factor on how the move would be initially graded by us individually.

I see both sides. I'm all for getting Stafford but not against trading for or signing a veteran to compete with Allen/Heinicke, that would require way less to acquire.

I hope the beer man can pack on 20 pounds.

Re: Stafford in WFT Plans? He’s Available
 

[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1275348]Just about every team is a few key injuries from not being relevant.

I also dont get how people are like "I am for the future" In the current NFL state either you win now or you don't have a future. So for everyone who is saying build through the draft and FA, who is this QB you expect us to get?

I'd like to point out Ryan Tannehill who was traded for and has helped turn the Titans into contenders which is something Mariotta couldn't do. He is also 32, so I ask who do you all think is better Tannehill or Stafford??[/quote]

Miami traded RT and a 6th Rd pick for a 7th Rd pick, and the next year's 4th. That's not close to the compensation people on here are saying WFT should offer for Stafford.

I don't know who's better, probably Stafford, but it just depends on the weapons around them. Tennessee is pretty stacked with Derek Henry, Corey Davis, AJ Brown...

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I think we have to plan the QB situation as if we have no chance at getting a QB at 19. Get it resolved prior to the draft.

Then if one of the guys fall, depending on how above is handled, you pick him and adjust accordingly.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1275345]Exactly! NO, they are not close to the Bucs, Saints, or Rams defense. They are not comparable to Houston or Detroit either - probably somewhere in the middle. But they are also just a couple key injuries away from not being relevant at all.

Look, this team won a terrible division. Five of their seven wins came against backup QBs. Most opponents from outside the division, who had their starting QB, ran up 30+ points on this team. The schedule is much tougher next year. There are just too many holes to fill on both sides of the ball to say this team is close - on either side of the ball.

Not sorry. I'm not all in for just the next 3-5 years. I'm all in for the the next 5 years and the future beyond that, which means keep / resign your studs, fill some holes in free agency, and continue to build the team through the draft. If you can do that AND get Stafford/Watson - then by all means do that. But if you can't, then it's not a smart idea.[/quote]

I dont think our D is no. 2, Id say we are top 10 or so though.

But if we are downgrading things bc of back up QBs ... then this team played 17 games and won 7 of them with back up QBs so that should count as an upgrade to our future predictions. Haskins/Allen/Smith/Heinike = gave us maybe 2 games collectively of average/competent QB play.

back up Qb play has to go both ways here.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1275330]I'd rather take my chances w/ keeping my picks and rolling w/ Allen and Heinike. Pick a Qb within the 1st 3 rounds.[B] I just really really liked what I saw from Heinike. Is everyone just forgetting how well he played under some tough circumstances?[/B] How many drops he had? Give him a chance w/ more weapons. He was making throws that we hadn't seen in a while, we was anticipating, moving well.[/quote]

It was for 5 quarters! TH is a journey man at best. He is not like some 3rd round pick we got and he is 21 just starting out.

Look at his "career":
[B]December 8, 2020: Washington Football Team added QB Taylor Heinicke to the practice squad.

August 30, 2019: Carolina Panthers cut QB Taylor Heinicke.

December 26, 2018: Carolina Panthers placed QB Taylor Heinicke on IR.

April 16, 2018: Carolina Panthers acquired QB Taylor Heinicke off waivers from the Houston Texans.

April 13, 2018: Houston Texans waived QB Taylor Heinicke.

December 15, 2017: Houston Texans activated QB Taylor Heinicke from the practice squad.

November 29, 2017: Houston Texans added QB Taylor Heinicke to the practice squad.

October 9, 2017: New England Patriots cut QB Taylor Heinicke.

September 23, 2017: New England Patriots added QB Taylor Heinicke to the practice squad.

September 12, 2017: Minnesota Vikings cut QB Taylor Heinicke.

September 11, 2017: Minnesota Vikings waived QB Taylor Heinicke.

September 3, 2017: Minnesota Vikings placed QB Taylor Heinicke on IR.

November 8, 2016: Minnesota Vikings activated QB Taylor Heinicke from the non-football injury list.

July 29, 2016: Minnesota Vikings placed QB Taylor Heinicke on the non-football injury list.

May 9, 2015: Minnesota Vikings signed QB Taylor Heinicke.[/B]

Just no, TY is not the answer, just stop.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1275352]Sounds like everyone is all for Stafford, [/quote]

Cant speak for anyone else but Im not all in on Stafford. talk and thoughts are focused on Stafford bc its a Stafford thread.

We dont know what our true QB options will be for a few more months. its all just fan speculation at this point.

The only thing I do know is that I want an upgrade at QB. Either this year or next year. Whose available and what will it cost etc?... I would more likelyl than not give up the no. 19 and a 3rd for Stafford.

Worst case scenario we roll with Allen/Heinike and some other similar QB, Im fine with that. It means we were able to add a Waddle or some LT or LB at no. 19. But then 2022 becomes all about finding that winner Qb who we can hand the keys off to and he can play at a top 15 QB level right away.

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You can't just say we're set at QB based on 5 quarters from Heinicke. If all else fails and he ends up the starter by default so be it. But you have to take a shot at a guy like Stafford.

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[quote=SunnySide;1275361]Cant speak for anyone else but Im not all in on Stafford. talk and thoughts are focused on Stafford bc its a Stafford thread.

We dont know what our true QB options will be for a few more months. its all just fan speculation at this point.

The only thing I do know is that I want an upgrade at QB. Either this year or next year. Whose available and what will it cost etc?... I would more likelyl than not give up the no. 19 and a 3rd for Stafford.

Worst case scenario we roll with Allen/Heinike and some other similar QB, Im fine with that. It means we were able to add a Waddle or some LT or LB at no. 19. But then 2022 becomes all about finding that winner Qb who we can hand the keys off to and he can play at a top 15 QB level right away.[/quote]

My bad. Never use a word that leaves out no other option. Should have said "seems like most of us".

Allen/Heinicke and a 3rd more experienced vet, and I'd be fine rolling with that.

I'm all for getting Stafford. But I don't think it's the only option. More than one way to skin a cat.

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[quote=SunnySide;1275358]I dont think our D is no. 2, Id say we are top 10 or so though.

But if we are downgrading things bc of back up QBs ... then this team played 17 games and won 7 of them with back up QBs so that should count as an upgrade to our future predictions. Haskins/Allen/Smith/Heinike = gave us maybe 2 games collectively of average/competent QB play.

[B]back up Qb play has to go both ways here.[/B][/quote]

I'm not going to argue that. WFT played basically the whole season with QBs that aren't starting caliber. I'm just saying the win total and the defensive ranking are both very much bolstered because of their soft as hell schedule. When they played good, healthy teams the results spoke for themselves.

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[quote=MTK;1275363]You can't just say we're set at QB based on 5 quarters from Heinicke. If all else fails and he ends up the starter by default so be it. But you have to take a shot at a guy like Stafford.[/quote]

Ron knows that or else he would just come out and say Taylor and Kyle will compete

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1275365]I'm not going to argue that. WFT played basically the whole season with QBs that aren't starting caliber. I'm just saying the win total and the defensive ranking are both very much bolstered because of [B]their soft as hell schedule.[/B] When they played good, healthy teams the results spoke for themselves.[/quote]

Id add players playing above expectations in the secondary. but that part always gets me. I think if they got challenged more deep down field .. they would have been exposed. On the flip side, teams didnt gameplan to attack our secondary deep bc of our front 4.

Did our secondary get lucky this year ... or .. was this evidence of the mantra "the best passing defense is a good pass rush".

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[QUOTE=SunnySide;1275361]Cant speak for anyone else but Im not all in on Stafford. talk and thoughts are focused on Stafford bc its a Stafford thread.



We dont know what our true QB options will be for a few more months. its all just fan speculation at this point.



The only thing I do know is that I want an upgrade at QB. Either this year or next year. Whose available and what will it cost etc?... I would more likelyl than not give up the no. 19 and a 3rd for Stafford.



Worst case scenario we roll with Allen/Heinike and some other similar QB, Im fine with that. It means we were able to add a Waddle or some LT or LB at no. 19. But then 2022 becomes all about finding that winner Qb who we can hand the keys off to and he can play at a top 15 QB level right away.[/QUOTE]

My question is about your line "2022 then becomes all about finding that winner QB". What makes you think 2022 will hold better options for finding that QB? If we bolster our defense and our team does about the same or slightly better we would be right back at this point, no real draft option because we aren't in the top 10, but now we don't necessarily have [B]2!![/B] elite or damn near elite QB's wanting out of their current team.

This seems like the perfect storm to get a medium to long term answer at QB, then if we don't find that LB leader in late rounds this year go all in on a stud LB in 2022. I don't see any logic in letting this team flounder without a solution at QB this year in the hopes of finding the solution in 2022.

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I'm tired of losing games due to bad QB play, also it's been 30 damn years since this team went to the SB.