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[quote=whistler;893238]Montana had a lumbar back fusion not neck.


Why can't skins fans want to cultivate their own superstar? It seems that they always want someone elses reject. Manning is a reject at this point.[/quote]

There has to be a better way to advocate the Redskins draft a franchise QB that doesn't involve trashing one of the greatest players in NFL history...

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[quote=Shadowbyte;893241]No way will Daniel Snyder allow Peyton to get away. The man gets what he wants, period.[/quote]

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[quote=Defensewins;893208]If I were Manning I would handicap it:

1) Texans - Most Talented team with out a top 5 QB.
2) 49ers - Second most talented team with out a top 5 Qb.
3) Jets
4) Redskins
5) Seahawks
6) Dolphins
7) Cardinals

For Manning this has to be about winning another Championship, this is not about money or location. Manning has enough money. Manning is such a huge competitor, his brother has two rings. Peyton wants another.
Redskins have a ton of cap space and some good pieces in place. Skins have a chance. Small chance, but still a chance.[/quote]

I agree wholeheartedly...although Skins and Jets could easily swap positions.

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[quote=12thMan;893239]I just heard an interesting unconfirmed rumor -- if he does play, Miami within 10 days.[/quote]

If he does play? Still thinking he retires?

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[quote=skinsfan69;893235]Montana had a bad back, played two years in KC and was done. He missed games both season cause he couldn't stay on the field. He did get them to the AFC championship.

This is a different situation. This injury is to a nerve/nerves that go into his tricep, which is the major muscle to his throwing arm. Plus we have way too many holes here. Yeah we'll go the FA route but as we know that just doesn't work. See Philly and past Redskins teams. Manning will make us better, but we're still not a SB team w/ him under center.[/quote]

Ok point taken on Montana. However there are other players who have gotten the same surgery and continued playing. The QB position is one of the most protected positions. And I'll repeat if the doctors thought there was any danger he would not be talked about right now cause it would read PM forced to retire.

I understand the nerve and bis arm issue, also know his doctors have said it could take weeks or months before progress is seen but when it starts it could heal fast ss in most cases and we know his has started or he would most likely not be throwing so well.



I'm confused how PM hinders this team from filling other holes? All this would do is assure us Grossman would not be coming back. Unless you guys want Grossman back? No matter what they do in the draft MS and KS will have a Vet QB on this team and I'd prefer it be PM with all his knowledge vs. the others.

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[quote=whistler;893238]Montana had a lumbar back fusion not neck.


Why can't skins fans want to cultivate their own superstar? It seems that they always want someone elses reject. Manning is a reject at this point.[/quote]

I agree with your point but I'd hardly call him a reject. A reject is Rex Grossman.

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[quote=SmootSmack;893249]If he does play? Still thinking he retires?[/quote]

Yeah, that's just my own opinion though. I think he will.

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packers, patriots, saints, chargers, giants... any other teams who may not want peyton manning?

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[quote=12thMan;893254]Yeah, that's just my own opinion though. I think he will.[/quote]

he may, but i doubt he would have do the press conference like that today and then retire.

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[quote=los panda;893255]packers, patriots, saints, chargers, giants... any other teams who may not want peyton manning?[/quote]

steelers, eagles, cowboys, panthers

Re: Chris Mortensen: Colts to release Peyton Manning (QB Thread #11)
 

[quote=redskins5044;893257]he may, but i doubt he would have do the press conference like that today and then retire.[/quote]

Brett Favre?

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[quote=los panda;893255]packers, patriots, saints, chargers, giants... any other teams who may not want peyton manning?[/quote]

steelers, bengals, falcons, eagles, cowboys,

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[quote=DynamiteRave;893259]Brett Favre?[/quote]

he is not Brett Farve.

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[quote=redskins5044;893257]he may, but i doubt he would have do the press conference like that today and then retire.[/quote]

I don't think he knows exactly what he's going to do at this very moment. I can imagine everything's like a fog right now. That was a very emotional presser.

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[quote=12thMan;893262]I don't think he knows exactly what he's going to do at this very moment. I can imagine everything's like a fog right now. That was a very emotional presser.[/quote]

he is probably talking to teams right now. i think he will have his new team picked out next week as free agency starts.

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PM will play for sure

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[quote=redskins5044;893261]he is not Brett Farve.[/quote]

But that's not to say he won't get second thoughts. I'm not saying he would retire and then come back. But think about he just spent 14 years with the same team and maybe he'd like to go out as a Colt.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;893266]But that's not to say he won't get second thoughts. I'm not saying he would retire and then come back. But think about he just spent 14 years with the same team and maybe he'd like to go out as a Colt.[/quote]

not if he can still play, he is to competetive. a lot of great football players have changed teams at the end of there careers.

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[quote=celts32;893242]There has to be a better way to advocate the Redskins draft a franchise QB that doesn't involve trashing one of the greatest players in NFL history...[/quote]



Not trashing his accomplishments, simply advocating that the skins actually use the draft and college free agents to build a winner. He actually was rejected that is why he isn't in Indy anymore.

Re: Chris Mortensen: Colts to release Peyton Manning (QB Thread #11)
 

[quote=redskins5044;893267]not if he can still play, he is to competetive. a lot of great football players have changed teams at the end of there careers.[/quote]

lol I mean, I personally don't think he's going to retire either. But just thinking on what 12th said since he thinks it's a possibility.

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[quote=redskins5044;893267]not if he can still play, he is too competitive. a lot of great football players have changed teams at the end of their careers.[/quote]i'm sorry, sometimes i can't help it

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[quote=redskins5044;893264]he is probably talking to teams right now. i think he will have his new team picked out next week as free agency starts.[/quote]

Seems to me like any team that wants him would want to have him signed by the start of FA, or atleast a confident expectation of how his number will affect their cap status. And from PM's point of view, I think he will want his new team to be getting the pieces in place from start of FA. So it seems to me like this deal should be one that gets done before next Tuesday.

Against that, PM said he hasn't looked that way yet (which I truly doubt), and if that's the case, I am sure he is going to do a lot of diligent research to make sure he goes to the situation he wants.

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[quote=whistler;893268]Not trashing his accomplishments, simply advocating that the skins actually use the draft and college free agents to build a winner. He actually was rejected that is why he isn't in Indy anymore.[/quote]

I think cap limitations, and a new start, is a long way from rejecting PM. Sometimes situations just don't allow for the most preferred choice to occur.

But that's just semantics

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It's incredible ..

The redskins may have a chance at signing one of the best QBs of all time and whom can still play at a playoff caliber level I'm assuming and we as fans say No to him??? It's Peyton Freaking Manning! This isn't Mcnabb or Brunell or Johnson its Manning. He comes to DC and we are a contender in the east day 1

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[QUOTE=redskins5044;893260]steelers, bengals, falcons, eagles, cowboys,[/QUOTE]



Panthers, Bears, Rams, Lions

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[quote=whistler;893238]Montana had a lumbar back fusion not neck.


Why can't skins fans want to cultivate their own superstar? It seems that they always want someone elses reject. Manning is a reject at this point.[/quote]

It doesn't matter if he's a reject or not. Being a reject does not mean he cannot play football; just a potential indicator that might not always be right.

And wanting the best is more important than a moral victory in which a QB flops, but hell we tried to "develop them" (see Ramsey and Campbell).

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;893275]Panthers, Bears, Rams, Lions[/quote]

So basically every NFL team.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;893273]It's incredible ..

The redskins may have a chance at signing one of the best QBs of all time and whom can still play at a playoff caliber level I'm assuming and we as fans say No to him??? It's Peyton Freaking Manning! This isn't Mcnabb or Brunell or Johnson its Manning. He comes to DC and we are a contender in the east day 1[/quote]

I don't think people are saying no cuz it's Manning, I think its because he's old and although not injury prone, when he does get injured, they're pretty bad.

I'd definitely like to see Manning here because the guy is a proven winner but I'm also torn because I'm ready for a franchise youth movement.

But Manning can only help us, not hurt us.

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[quote=SBXVII;893250]Ok point taken on Montana. However there are other players who have gotten the same surgery and continued playing. The QB position is one of the most protected positions. And I'll repeat if the doctors thought there was any danger he would not be talked about right now cause it would read PM forced to retire.

I understand the nerve and bis arm issue, also know his doctors have said it could take weeks or months before progress is seen but when it starts it could heal fast ss in most cases and we know his has started or he would most likely not be throwing so well.



I'm confused how PM hinders this team from filling other holes? All this would do is assure us Grossman would not be coming back. Unless you guys want Grossman back? No matter what they do in the draft MS and KS will have a Vet QB on this team and I'd prefer it be PM with all his knowledge vs. the others.[/quote]
Lumbar fusion is allot harder to recover from than the neck fusion. Because the neck does not carry the wieght that the lumbar does. Infact lumbar fusions have a much smaller success rate.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;893279]I don't think people are saying no cuz it's Manning, I think its because he's old and although not injury prone, when he does get injured, they're pretty bad.

I'd definitely like to see Manning here because the guy is a proven winner but I'm also torn because I'm ready for a franchise youth movement.

But Manning can only help us, not hurt us.[/quote]

It can hurt us. If we go all in for winning now and stop really building our team we might have a successful year or two, but where would it put us in 5 years.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;893279]I don't think people are saying no cuz it's Manning, I think its because he's old and although not injury prone, when he does get injured, they're pretty bad.

I'd definitely like to see Manning here because the guy is a proven winner but I'm also torn because I'm ready for a franchise youth movement.

But Manning can only help us, not hurt us.[/quote]


why not PM and Tannehill at 6? or trade down and add more talent for Manning

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[quote=SkinItup;893282]It can hurt us. If we go all in for winning now and stop really building our team we might have a successful year or two, but where would it put us in 5 years.[/quote]

I never said we should stop building the team nor, if we got Manning, should we just built the team solely around him. There's obviously glaring issues that need to be addressed with or without Manning. But I'd hope if we did sign him, we'd still draft a QB of whom Manning could take under his wing and mentor the last 2-3 years of his career.

So when Manning did retire, the new young QB can step in, i.e. Favre and Rogers, or Brady and whoever was the 1st string at the time. lol

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[quote=SkinItup;893282]It can hurt us. If we go all in for winning now and stop really building our team we might have a successful year or two, but where would it put us in 5 years.[/quote]


same can be said if we trade for RG3 and he is bust or gets injured.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;893283]why not PM and Tannehill at 6? or trade down and add more talent for Manning[/quote]

That's what I'm saying. I think that would be ideal in the instance of a Manning signing.

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Peyton Manning reportedly according to John Keim on Twitter, has just landed in the airport at Miami...

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[quote=CultBrennan59;893287]Peyton Manning reportedly according to John Keim on Twitter, has just landed in the airport at Miami...[/quote]

i hope he does the decision show like lebron did.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;893276]It doesn't matter if he's a reject or not. Being a reject does not mean he cannot play football; just a potential indicator that might not always be right.

And wanting the best is more important than a moral victory in which a QB flops, but hell we tried to "develop them" ([B]see [COLOR=black]Ramsey and Campbell[/COLOR][/B]).[/quote]

that is debatable.

Ramsey had very little backing from Gibbs. Campbell had a different OC every year, and didn't stand a chance when Shanny got here. Not saying either would have been elite QB's, but they never stood a chance.

LOL

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[quote=#56fanatic;893289]that is debatable.

Ramsey had very little backing from Gibbs. Campbell had a different OC every year, and didn't stand a chance when Shanny got here. Not saying either would have been elite QB's, but they never stood a chance.

LOL[/quote]

Ramsey sympathizer!

I think that gets you flogged in these parts. :spank:

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[quote=CultBrennan59;893287]Peyton Manning reportedly according to John Keim on Twitter, has just landed in the airport at Miami...[/quote]

Well he has a condo down there so let's not get carried away. He's probably just visiting his home away from home

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[quote=SBXVII;893240]I read somewhere that the 49ers have said they are not interested in PM.[/quote]

Certain teams will be very discreet in talking to Manning's agent. The good teams with a decent Qb in place but not yet signed like SF with Smith will be very discreet so as to not to upset any negotiations with Smith. But Smith is not Manning.
I am sure several surprise teams will call to see what the asking price is for Manning even if they are not 100% committed to getting him. Nothing wrong with exploring all possibilities to improve your team.