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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1275574]Getting Stafford and mortgaging the farm aren't necessarily the same things. A 1st and a 3rd this year is about my limit. Maybe one of our 7th rounders this year or like a 5th next year is definitely my limit. I don't think that trade is mortgaging the farm.[/quote]

Agreed.

Ian Rapoport is saying that a third of the league has called Detroit to inquire about what it will take to trade for Matthew Stafford.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1275576]Agreed.

Ian Rapoport is saying that a third of the league has called Detroit to inquire about what it will take to trade for Matthew Stafford.[/quote]

Detroit should definitely hold out. They should be sitting pretty come draft time.

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I’m bet he ends up in New Orleans

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I really don't see how NO could do that with their cap situation.

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Drafting Haskins was the worst move we could have ever made .. complete wasted opportunity to get the QB situation solved ... set us back years .. Snyder is a idiot! If we could have gotten that pick right this team would be close .. now we are still searching and scratching to figure out something ..

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I think NO moves forward with Winston.

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[quote=rocnrik;1275593]Drafting Haskins was the worst move we could have ever made .. complete wasted opportunity to get the QB situation solved ... set us back years .. Snyder is a idiot! If we could have gotten that pick right this team would be close .. now we are still searching and scratching to figure out something ..[/quote]

Haskins definitely should have never been picked. With that said QB wise there was not many options at that spot in the draft and/ or through FA.

It was not like a CHI situation where we selected Mitch T and let Watson slide by.

A complete waste of opportunity was trading up for RG3 and letting Russell Wilson pass by.

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[quote=mredskins;1275599]Haskins definitely should have never been picked. With that said QB wise there was not many options at that spot in the draft and/ or through FA.
[B]
It was not like a CHI situation where we selected Mitch T and let Watson slide by. [/B]

A complete waste of opportunity was trading up for RG3 and letting Russell Wilson pass by.[/quote]

They let MAHOMES AND WATSON slide by!

And McCaffrey, Fournette, Jamal Adams...

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[quote=MTK;1275597]I think NO moves forward with Winston.[/quote]

Brees looked at him and said "It's your team now" in the playoff loss..

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Another option could be Derek Carr for cheap and then still draft a guy... Del Rio coached Carr

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[quote=Monkeydad;1275601]They let MAHOMES AND WATSON slide by!

And McCaffrey, Fournette, Jamal Adams...[/quote]

So painful.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1275617]Another option could be Derek Carr for cheap and then still draft a guy... Del Rio coached Carr[/quote]

I'm not sure how much cheaper he would be. Their career stats are fairly similar, with Carr actually having a slight edge in his 7 years compared to Stafford's 12. Carr's been the healthier of the two, slightly higher completion percentage, lower interception percentage.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1275621]I'm not sure how much cheaper he would be. Their career stats are fairly similar, with Carr actually having a slight edge in his 7 years compared to Stafford's 12. Carr's been the healthier of the two, slightly higher completion percentage, lower interception percentage.[/quote]

yeah I like Carr, I don't think he's the solution long term but he can start for 2-3 years

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Carr is a poor man's Stafford. Wouldn't hate the idea of him here.

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[quote=MTK;1275623]Carr is a poor man's Stafford. Wouldn't hate the idea of him here.[/quote]

It would also be cheaper and most likely not cost a 1st..

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1275617]Another option could be Derek Carr for cheap and then still draft a guy... Del Rio coached Carr[/quote]

I think you’re onto something.

@RefskinsCult

“FWIW, Lurch of the Junkies said today that one of his sources at the Park said we're interested in Derek Carr.”

I think it’s clear there’s going to be a bidding war. Rapoprt put on Twitter that 1/3 of the league has contacted the Lions to inquire. Obviously not all of them will be serious and just doing their due diligence, but a few will be serious and Rivera isn’t going to get into a bidding war.

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[quote=SkinzWin;1275633]I think you’re onto something.

@RefskinsCult

“FWIW, Lurch of the Junkies said today that one of his sources at the Park said we're interested in Derek Carr.”

I think it’s clear there’s going to be a bidding war. Rapoprt put on Twitter that 1/3 of the league has contacted the Lions to inquire. Obviously not all of them will be serious and just doing their due diligence, but a few will be serious and Rivera isn’t going to get into a bidding war.[/quote]

I just figured one of those Raider QB's will be gone , hell maybe both

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1275624]It would also be cheaper and most likely not cost a 1st..[/quote]

And there's a reason for that. He's demonstrably worse than Stafford.

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I just read on reddit that there's a chance we could end up with Prescott and not lose any draft picks,I would be fine with that

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[quote=sevier2;1275637]And there's a reason for that. He's demonstrably worse than Stafford.[/quote]

In what aspect is Carr demonstrably worse than Stafford?

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[QUOTE=htownskinfan;1275638]I just read on reddit that there's a chance we could end up with Prescott and not lose any draft picks,I would be fine with that[/QUOTE]Only problem with dak is salary cap cost

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1275640]Only problem with dak is salary cap cost

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Maybe I dont know,what is Staffords salary gonna be?

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$20M for 2021 if they don't rework the contract.

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Potential Trade Targets:

Deshaun Watson $10.5m cap hit in 2021
Carson Wentz $25m or $35m cap hit in 2021 depending on timing due to contracted bonus
Matt Ryan $23m cap hit in 2021
Jimmy Garoppolo $25.5m cap hit in 2021
Matt Stafford $20m cap hit in 2021
Derek Carr $19.6m cap hit in 2021
Teddy Bridgewater $18m cap hit in 2021
Nick Foles $4m cap hit in 2021
Sam Darnold $4.7m cap hit in 2021
Jalen Hurts $883K cap hit in 2021
Gardner Minshew $850K cap hit in 2021

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1275640]Only problem with dak is salary cap cost

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Let's be real, any half decent qb is gonna cost us a lot of cap space.

If we could get Dak without giving up any draft picks - that would be the dream scenario. Everybody else we're looking at giving up picks or a player for, and then having to deal with the cap on top of it.

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[quote=sevier2;1275637]And there's a reason for that. He's demonstrably worse than Stafford.[/quote]

2020 Stafford :

16 Games. 5-11 Record. 64.2 Completion Percentage. 4084 Yards. 7.7 Yards/Attempt. 26 TDs. 10 Ints. 112 Rush Yards. 0 Rush TDs.


2020 Carr:

16 Games. 8-8 Record. 67.3 Completion Percentage. 4103 Yards. 7.9 Yards/Attempt. 27 TDs. 9 Ints. 140 Rush yards. 3 Rush TDs.

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[quote=Number44;1275645]2020 Stafford :

16 Games. 5-11 Record. 64.2 Completion Percentage. 4084 Yards. 7.7 Yards/Attempt. 26 TDs. 10 Ints. 112 Rush Yards. 0 Rush TDs.


2020 Carr:

16 Games. 8-8 Record. 67.3 Completion Percentage. 4103 Yards. 7.9 Yards/Attempt. 27 TDs. 9 Ints. 140 Rush yards. 3 Rush TDs.[/quote]

Stats are very comparable, but Stafford is a master of the 2 minute drill whereas Carr isn't.

I'd still take Carr though, he's young and good. Don't see Jon Gruden giving him cheap though.

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[QUOTE=mooby;1275644]Let's be real, any half decent qb is gonna cost us a lot of cap space.



If we could get Dak without giving up any draft picks - that would be the dream scenario. Everybody else we're looking at giving up picks or a player for, and then having to deal with the cap on top of it.[/QUOTE]Dak is holding out around the franchise tag. He is going to be looking for top dollar ala Cousins. Stafford may want a decent payday but nothing that i know of him says he will be a difficult signer if he wants to come here.

Could be a difference of 10 million on the cap

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[quote=mooby;1275644]Let's be real, any half decent qb is gonna cost us a lot of cap space.

If we could get Dak without giving up any draft picks - that would be the dream scenario. Everybody else we're looking at giving up picks or a player for, and then having to deal with the cap on top of it.[/quote]

Agreed. I'd much rather sign a FA, and he's the best one.

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[quote=mooby;1275646]Stats are very comparable, but Stafford is a master of the 2 minute drill whereas Carr isn't.

I'd still take Carr though, he's young and good. Don't see Jon Gruden giving him cheap though.[/quote]

Stafford:

12 Years. 31 4th Quarter Comebacks. 38 Game-Winning Drives (4 in 2020, 7 in last 3 years.)


Carr:

7 Years. 21 4th Quarter Comebacks. 24 Game-Winning Drives ( 5 in 2020. 11 in last 3 years.)

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[quote=mooby;1275646]Stats are very comparable, but Stafford is a master of the 2 minute drill whereas Carr isn't.

I'd still take Carr though, he's young and good. Don't see Jon Gruden giving him cheap though.[/quote]

Gruden is more of an idiot than his brother is. Anything is possible. I’m not a believer in Jon Gruden being the football genius mind of all time. He’s a media creation and anytime you think he won’t do something because it’s stupid means there a decent chance it could happen.

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[quote=Number44;1275649]Stafford:

12 Years. 31 4th Quarter Comebacks. 38 Game-Winning Drives (4 in 2020, 7 in last 3 years.)


Carr:

7 Years. 21 4th Quarter Comebacks. 24 Game-Winning Drives ( 5 in 2020. 11 in last 3 years.)[/quote]

Well played, I stand corrected. I've just never heard Carr get the love for being a 2 min. drill king like Stafford has.

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[quote=MissouriSkin;1275654]Gruden is more of an idiot than his brother is. [B]Anything is possible[/B]. I’m not a believer in Jon Gruden being the football genius mind of all time. He’s a media creation and anytime you think he won’t do something because it’s stupid means there a decent chance it could happen.[/quote]


Definitely true, but in a league where there is more demand for qb's than there is supply I think even Jon Gruden wouldn't give him away cheap.

Everything depends on the price.

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[quote=mooby;1275656]Definitely true, but in a league where there is more demand for qb's than there is supply I think even Jon Gruden wouldn't give him away cheap.

Everything depends on the price.[/quote]

Yep. We might have a better chance at Carr than Stafford. And Gruden has been reported as saying he’d rather have Mariotta so.....🤷*♂️

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1275540]Absolutely. Could end up with a Josh Doctson at #19...:banghead:

The #19 pick for Stafford would be a no-brainer.[/quote]

If your FO isn't clowns, the #19 is a 10 year starter at some position.
And it will take more than #19.
Our last (2) 3rd rounders have become solid starters.
I'm guessing the deal will be a 1st, a 3rd, a 5th, something like that. A 1st, a higher pick, and a lower pick.

So four years from now, do we have:

(2) solid long term starters at say WR,CB,LB,FS, etc. who are 25 and have half a decade left in the tank minimum. And also perhaps a solid role player such as a 3rd down RB, rotational corner, backup OL, etc.
Or a QB that retired.

Such short term thinking. People never learn.
Those first round picks are the backbone of our only elite unit, DL.
The thinking should be to make other parts of the team elite with young players in similar fashion, not squandering draft capital on retread QBs.
Imagine next four years we spend picks in 1st round on QB,LT,CB,WR.
Now you are starting to talk about an elite team.

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Are the Raiders shopping Carr? That would surprise me if they were.

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[quote=mredskins;1275541]agree but stafford eats up a lot cap space too.

i don't want any of our current QB's starting next year, bad QB play hinders everyone's development.

I also agree with the folks that are saying we are not just a QB away from being a contender.

I think if you make a play on stafford you got go out and get some more weapons specifically TE and WR.[/quote]

And then we maybe win a wildcard and nothing more, and in 2-3 years we need a QB again. You build through the draft. The players we should be signing in FA if possible are the lower cost players, MLB, FS, TE, and not the highest priced of those. Our FA may choose to address WR both ways, draft and FA, but lot of guys coming off injury makes it dicey.

You win in the NFL long term by treating draft picks like gold and acquiring gobs of young talent with them. If anything, we should be trading down and acquiring MORE picks, not squandering them on guys near end of career.

Stafford has taken a BEATING. He isn't playing until 40 like some other guys. So incredibly short sighted to trade for him. We should commit to finding a franchise QB in the draft, period, without a massive tradeup that mortgages the future ridiculously.

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[quote=MissouriSkin;1275654]Gruden is more of an idiot than his brother is. Anything is possible. I’m not a believer in Jon Gruden being the football genius mind of all time. He’s a media creation and anytime you think he won’t do something because it’s stupid means there a decent chance it could happen.[/quote]

Gruden may be overrated, but he is a solid offensive mind, who won a SB, and was the youngest coach to ever do so at the time. His offensives have generally been solid. That doesn't mean I think he is Vince Lombardi. Another example of a very good, at times great, coach that should never be given GM powers. You could honestly draw parallels between RR and Gruden. RR has never won a SB, despite having some VERY stacked teams, and is known as a players coach rather than a brilliant mind. At least the year Gruden was given a stacked team he won the damn SB! RR didn't. I like RR, but just being real. If you have a real GM who controls personnel, Gruden can be a good but not consistently great coach. It is rare to have a good ending when coach given absolute personnel power, and this does not bode well for RR era.

I think we hired Hurney because he's RR's buddy, and Mayhew because a Redskin and African American because THE DAN is being advised to be exemplary with all female minority hirings to make his other discrimination and sexism problems go away. I don't think either hiring was about objectively finding the most brilliant talent evaluator, and that is the primary job of GM, to bring in talent. Thus if we are not being homers, while the Skins should be much improved, we won't sniff a SB under RR. We don't have talented enough GMs and are ousting the only prodigy talent evaluator we have.

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[quote=Scalper;1275665]Gruden may be overrated, but he is a solid offensive mind, who won a SB, and was the youngest coach to ever do so at the time. His offensives have generally been solid. That doesn't mean I think he is Vince Lombardi. Another example of a very good, at times great, coach that should never be given GM powers. You could honestly draw parallels between RR and Gruden. RR has never won a SB, despite having some VERY stacked teams, and is known as a players coach rather than a brilliant mind. At least the year Gruden was given a stacked team he won the damn SB! RR didn't. I like RR, but just being real. If you have a real GM who controls personnel, Gruden can be a good but not consistently great coach. It is rare to have a good ending when coach given absolute personnel power, and this does not bode well for RR era.

I think we hired Hurney because he's RR's buddy, and Mayhew because a Redskin and African American because THE DAN is being advised to be exemplary with all female minority hirings to make his other discrimination and sexism problems go away. I don't think either hiring was about objectively finding the most brilliant talent evaluator, and that is the primary job of GM, to bring in talent. Thus if we are not being homers, while the Skins should be much improved, we won't sniff a SB under RR. We don't have talented enough GMs and are ousting the only prodigy talent evaluator we have.[/quote]

Yeah but it was a stacked team with Tony Dungy’s players whom he immediately got rid of and they got worse just about every year he was there until he was fired.

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[QUOTE=Scalper;1275662]If your FO isn't clowns, the #19 is a 10 year starter at some position.

And it will take more than #19.

Our last (2) 3rd rounders have become solid starters.

I'm guessing the deal will be a 1st, a 3rd, a 5th, something like that. A 1st, a higher pick, and a lower pick.



So four years from now, do we have:



(2) solid long term starters at say WR,CB,LB,FS, etc. who are 25 and have half a decade left in the tank minimum. And also perhaps a solid role player such as a 3rd down RB, rotational corner, backup OL, etc.

Or a QB that retired.



Such short term thinking. People never learn.

Those first round picks are the backbone of our only elite unit, DL.

The thinking should be to make other parts of the team elite with young players in similar fashion, not squandering draft capital on retread QBs.

Imagine next four years we spend picks in 1st round on QB,LT,CB,WR.

Now you are starting to talk about an elite team.[/QUOTE]Think about 4 years from now not being able to keep the core line together and the last 4 year were spent trying to find an elite qb because you continually finished 8 and 8 and squandered the talent you had picked. There is a balance to spending for a known qb and contunually trying to find the aarron rodgers. Or are you saying that you want to endure seasons where we draft in the top 5 to "guarantee" we get a top QB prospect.

Or imagine signing a top QB for a 1st and 3rd this year and not having to risk wasting multiple first round picks in search of the right qb. In addition imagine having a FO that, with QB in place and a repeat division contender in hand, not worrying about the owner trying to replace the coach due to fan base outrage.

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