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[quote=skinsfaninok;1276188]Drafting around TH is not in their plans clearly. They haven't even said he'll be back yet. Ron and the new regime are hell bent on finding a QB because they know the window is open now.

Good Defense
Solid weapons on O
CAP Room
Good staff.

All the ingredients of a win now team. The truth is Taylor is a nice story but he isn't the answer at QB.[/quote]

They definitely need to upgrade WR, CB, LB, OL .. while there's a good foundation I place I wouldn't use the phrase open for this window. We have a lot of work to do

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No idea if accurate but...

@BangRadioHour

“Speculation is WFT offered 2021 1st and 3rd, then the Lions checked back with the Rams and they went crazy. SO if this is true, GOOD, we took a swing but maintained sanity.”

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1276185]Right, so the point is valid. If your strategy is solely to jump up to grab the kid that looks like a sure thing, it is a dumb strategy. If you have an NFL provenstarter you can get for a first round pick or even 2, that is a better deal becau se as you said 50% of the 1st round drafted qbs are gonna bust.

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why would it be dumb? i would rather draft someone and have them on a rookie deal. rams made it w/ goff on a rookie deal to the SB. same w/ mahomes, seattle made it twice w/wilson. sure there are examples the other way. but breer's example just makes no sense to me. 1st round qb's change teams after a period of time. even greatest QB's change teams.

in this instance how much better is stafford than goff? can the rams continue to stay a contender w/out 1st round picks?

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[quote=SkinzWin;1276202]No idea if accurate but...

@BangRadioHour

“Speculation is WFT offered 2021 1st and 3rd, then the Lions checked back with the Rams and they went crazy. SO if this is true, GOOD, we took a swing but maintained sanity.”[/quote]

I would have applauded that Deal by the WFT if it had been accepted. OTOH, I think the Rams offer was bad business. Who could have imagined that the Rams would make a Watson level offer for Stafford? If the Rams were willing to go as high as they did for Stafford, they should have offered Houston a little more for Watson.The Texans might have taken it.

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[quote=mooby;1276197]I tend to lean on this logic too. Drafting a qb of the future is way more cost effective than trading for one. Not to mention how much your roster will be set back if the qb you trade for doesn't pan out.

Unless Watson could be had for a fair price I'm not mortgaging the future to win now.[/quote]

That was a joke. I know where he stands, it's painfully obvious if you take the time to read his books.

I'd rather sign a FA and draft our future QB too. That is my preferred method of solving the QB situation. I wouldn't hate it if they signed Dak, then you can wait on that future QB thing.

I also wouldn't hate it if they traded for Carr if it was a reasonable (not Stafford-like) offer.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;1276206]why would it be dumb? i would rather draft someone and have them on a rookie deal. rams made it w/ goff on a rookie deal to the SB. same w/ mahomes, seattle made it twice w/wilson. sure there are examples the other way. but breer's example just makes no sense to me. 1st round qb's change teams after a period of time. even greatest QB's change teams.



in this instance how much better is stafford than goff? can the rams continue to stay a contender w/out 1st round picks?[/QUOTE]Breer's time frame isn't random. 2016 is the end of the 5 year rookie deal. Take it for what you want, but for me i will take a proven vet IF the deal is sane over a shot in the dark for a 1st rd rookie qb.

As to your question about the Rams remember they gave up a boatload of picks to get Goff and they have been a contender the past 4 years and with Stafford they will be mentioned in the top 3 for next few years.

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Unfortunately, I think the Rams just did a disservice to every team wanting Watson. This should drive his price up significantly with the haul they have Detroit for Stafford.

That's a price I'd be leery of paying for Watson!

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Man the Rams sure gave up a haul for Stafford. I like him but not at that price. Way too steep but good for LA if they think they got the guy that can put them over the top. Win a SB and nobody is going to care about what you gave up. I'm glad we were interested, I thought our offer was more than reasonable.

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[quote=MTK;1276269]Man the Rams sure gave up a haul for Stafford. I like him but not at that price. Way too steep but good for LA if they think they got the guy that can put them over the top. Win a SB and nobody is going to care about what you gave up. I'm glad we were interested, I thought our offer was more than reasonable.[/quote]

What was our offer?

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Albert Breer says

"Stafford had 3 teams in mind, Rams, SF , Colts in that order"

So he never even wanted to come to DC

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1276272]What was our offer?[/quote]

1st and a 3rd is what I've seen reported

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[quote=MTK;1276275]1st and a 3rd is what I've seen reported[/quote]

I think that means they would offer 2 1's for sure for Watson

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seems like this thread could be closed, locked and thrown away.

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Well ... cest la vie.

Rams going YOLO. Looking at their cap counts for 2021 and they are in cap hell, they have a weird disbursement. You have Aaron Donald cap of 27M, Ramsey 22.5, Stafford 20 .. then 40 guys making 1.5M or less. Imagine lots of restructuring for Donald and Ramsey.

They need to figure out their LT situation though. Not sure old man Whitworth can give them another season.

[url]https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/los-angeles-rams/cap/[/url]

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[quote=SunnySide;1276289]Well ... cest la vie.

Rams going YOLO. Looking at their cap counts for 2021 and they are in cap hell, they have a weird disbursement. You have Aaron Donald cap of 27M, Ramsey 22.5, Stafford 20 .. then 40 guys making 1.5M or less. Imagine lots of restructuring for Donald and Ramsey.

They need to figure out their LT situation though. Not sure old man Whitworth can give them another season.

[url]https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/los-angeles-rams/cap/[/url]

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Robert Woods and Cooper Kupp are going to need to be paid, they've earned it.

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[quote=Monkeydad;1276301]Robert Woods and Cooper Kupp are going to need to be paid, they've earned it.[/quote]

They already got the contract extension last year

Re: Stafford in WFT Plans? He’s Available
 

[quote=SunnySide;1276289]Well ... cest la vie.

Rams going YOLO. Looking at their cap counts for 2021 and they are in cap hell, they have a weird disbursement. You have Aaron Donald cap of 27M, Ramsey 22.5, Stafford 20 .. then 40 guys making 1.5M or less. Imagine lots of restructuring for Donald and Ramsey.

They need to figure out their LT situation though. Not sure old man Whitworth can give them another season.

[url]https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/los-angeles-rams/cap/[/url]

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Thing with the Rams is they are counting on certain areas of their team to sustain their level of play. Like LT, they have a 40 year old. Lol. Or they're expecting their defense to keep playing at the same level. What happens when Donald gets hurt? Like against GB. They have had some success no doubt but it seems like they're a few injuries or a few players declining in play for the wheels to come off.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1276325]Thing with the Rams is they are counting on certain areas of their team to sustain their level of play. Like LT, they have a 40 year old. Lol. Or they're expecting their defense to keep playing at the same level. What happens when Donald gets hurt? Like against GB. They have had some success no doubt but it seems like they're a few injuries or a few players declining in play for the wheels to come off.[/quote]

McVay said something during the trade, at least it was reported. It is not about winning the trade, but the SB. Rams can credibly make the argument they are only a QB away from being a legit SB contender, and most would say they now are. That is no guarantee you win it, but. . .

If Rams win the SB, then it was worth it to them, period. The one thing they seemed to believe is that they are never winning a SB with Geoff. The light bulb just never came on for him, he reminded me of Cousins. The Rams believe they can add talent without 1st round picks, and their draft record of last few years bears this out. They have two genuine HOF caliber superstars on D, and believe it will be good with the young talent on rookie deals and with add'l talent for several years if you give these two studs help. They have lots of young talent on rookie deals on O, and believe McVay can get the most out of talent with the right QB. I don't necessarily agree with all these philosophies, but they at least make some kind of sense, unlike the claim that we just need a QB and are a contender.

Any team that loses one of their top-3 players has a hard time making SB.
Bucs O was STACKED.

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[quote=Scalper;1276897]McVay said something during the trade, at least it was reported. It is not about winning the trade, but the SB. Rams can credibly make the argument they are only a QB away from being a legit SB contender, and most would say they now are. That is no guarantee you win it, but. . .

If Rams win the SB, then it was worth it to them, period. The one thing they seemed to believe is that they are never winning a SB with Geoff. The light bulb just never came on for him, he reminded me of Cousins. The Rams believe they can add talent without 1st round picks, and their draft record of last few years bears this out. They have two genuine HOF caliber superstars on D, and believe it will be good with the young talent on rookie deals and with add'l talent for several years if you give these two studs help. They have lots of young talent on rookie deals on O, and believe McVay can get the most out of talent with the right QB. I don't necessarily agree with all these philosophies, but they at least make some kind of sense, unlike the claim that we just need a QB and are a contender.

Any team that loses one of their top-3 players has a hard time making SB.
[B]Bucs O was STACKED[/B].[/quote]

And their defense. The most complete team wins the super bowl more often than not.