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I don't want to really start another Sean Taylor thread but I would like your feedback on how, and if the the league decides to further discipline Sean, just what form it might take. Fine, suspension, or both? Do you feel he should be further disciplined?

Discuss......

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I dunno but this article kind of scared me a little bit[URL="http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm"]http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm[/URL]

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[QUOTE=dirthogs311]I dunno but this article kind of scared me a little bit[URL="http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm"]http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm[/URL][/QUOTE]

1) There's no way the Redskins will choose to pursue the signing bonus money (which is what the article says must happen).

2) How can the NFL suspend a player for pleading "no contest"? I guess "how" is not the right question, but why? That's not even a guilty plea. It would be one thing if he pled guilty to a misdemeanor or two, but that simply hasn't happened. I've seen this same quote about a one or two game suspension for "similar incidents," but does anyone know of any? Specifically, an incident in which a player pled no contest to a misdemeanor and got suspended by the league?

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[quote=MonkManiac]1) There's no way the Redskins will choose to pursue the signing bonus money (which is what the article says must happen).

2) How can the NFL suspend a player for pleading "no contest"? I guess "how" is not the right question, but why? That's not even a guilty plea. It would be one thing if he pled guilty to a misdemeanor or two, but that simply hasn't happened. I've seen this same quote about a one or two game suspension for "similar incidents," but does anyone know of any? Specifically, an incident in which a player pled no contest to a misdemeanor and got suspended by the league?[/quote]

No contest means you accept the charges, doesn't it?? I think it's equivalent to admitting guilt (correct me if I'm wrong, lawyer types).

Whatever he pleads guilty to, he's susceptible to NFL punishment accordingly. I have no problem if the NFL decides to suspend him one game. That would be fair.

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[quote=Schneed10]No contest means you accept the charges, doesn't it?? I think it's equivalent to admitting guilt (correct me if I'm wrong, lawyer types).

Whatever he pleads guilty to, he's susceptible to NFL punishment accordingly. I have no problem if the NFL decides to suspend him one game. That would be fair.[/quote]

no, no contest specially means you're NOT admitting guilt. though since you waive the right to a trial, the judge can sentence you as if you were guilty.

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If he gets suspended could he go the Jamal Lewis route and pick which game he misses?

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The skins are not going to persue any action they have to good of a deal with his contract as it goes. If the league hit him with a game or two suspension would not be that bad. If we were told last year that the worst thing would be a game or two suspension we would have been very hapy.

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[quote=That Guy]no, no contest specially means you're NOT admitting guilt. though since you waive the right to a trial, the judge can sentence you as if you were guilty.[/quote]

OK thanks for the clarification. But when it comes down to it, it's really splitting hairs when you're talking about the difference between "no contest" and a guilty plea. Either way you're sentenced as guilty, and you go down in the books as having committed the offense. In terms of the NFL's policy, I don't see any reason why they should punish Taylor any differently for a "no contest" compared to a "guilty" plea.

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One game good. Two games very bad.

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Fined...definitely

Suspension...most likely 1 game. Hopefully the first game of the season (not worried about Brad Johnson beating us with the deep ball).

If the league takes its own sweet time to dole out the suspension, then it could come at a critical time in our season (like a division game), and hurt us bad.

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I can see him being fined, but I have a hard time believing that they would suspend him for any length of time over this.

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[quote=wilsowilso]One game good. Two games very bad.[/quote]

no games better

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Nothing was proved, why should he get anything?

What a screwed up system.:soapbox:

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Fined and 1 game ...at the most .

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I think the most likely outcome is a fine, but I would understand a suspension. A suspension is no more likely than him getting nothing from the league.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10]OK thanks for the clarification. But when it comes down to it, it's really splitting hairs when you're talking about the difference between "no contest" and a guilty plea. Either way you're sentenced as guilty, and you go down in the books as having committed the offense. In terms of the NFL's policy, I don't see any reason why they should punish Taylor any differently for a "no contest" compared to a "guilty" plea.[/QUOTE]

It's not splitting hairs - one plea admits guilt, the other does not. That's an important distinction.

The NFL must (and, I believe, will) take this distinction into account, because you can't punish someone for committing a crime when there is no finding in any court of law that they actual committed that crime. I'd be truly interested to see how the NFL can justify a severe punishment against ST considering this difference.

Again, I'm really interested to hear if anyone has heard of the types of punishments handed out for a plea of no contest. We've all seen the quote from some NFL source that the typical punishment has been a one or two game suspension and a fine for "similar incidents," but I just don't buy it.

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[quote=MonkManiac]It's not splitting hairs - one plea admits guilt, the other does not. That's an important distinction.

The NFL must (and, I believe, will) take this distinction into account, because you can't punish someone for committing a crime when there is no finding in any court of law that they actual committed that crime. I'd be truly interested to see how the NFL can justify a severe punishment against ST considering this difference.

Again, I'm really interested to hear if anyone has heard of the types of punishments handed out for a plea of no contest. We've all seen the quote from some NFL source that the typical punishment has been a one or two game suspension and a fine for "similar incidents," but I just don't buy it.[/quote]

I don't think its an important distinction for NFL purposes. No contest is basically saying Im not telling you I did it, but there is enough evidence to prove I did.

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the nfl is all about image and i would be shocked if he wasnt suspended at least one game

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[QUOTE=paulskinsfan]I don't think its an important distinction for NFL purposes. No contest is basically saying Im not telling you I did it, but there is enough evidence to prove I did.[/QUOTE]

That's simply not true. That is not what a no contest plea is.

I agree, though, if the NFL does decide to suspend him, it will be a decision motivated solely by image concerns.

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Here we go, this good news from profootballtalk.com:

'SKINS EXPECT A FINE ONLY FOR TAYLOR

A league source tells us that the Washington Redskins anticipate that safety Sean Taylor's punishment for violating the league's Personal Conduct Policy will be a fine, not a suspension. Under the CBA, the Commissioner has the ability to impose discipline on players who engage in off-field criminal conduct.

Earlier this week, Taylor pleaded no contest to misdemeanor assault and misdemeanor battery as part of a resolution of charges that allowed him to avoid felony counts that carries a maximum of 45 years in prison.

The team, we hear, is 90 percent certain that Taylor won't be suspended.

We're also told that, even if Taylor is suspended, the Redskins won't try to recover any of the signing bonus money paid to the fifth overall pick in the 2004 draft.

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Can someone explain what profootballtalk.com is exactly?

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[quote=paulskinsfan]I don't think its an important distinction for NFL purposes. No contest is basically saying Im not telling you I did it, but there is enough evidence to prove I did.[/quote]

That's not what "no contest" is at all. To keep with a sports analogy, no contest is the same as a tie. Nobody won. The prosecution did not "prove" their case agaoinst Taylor, but he will not contest his sentence.

If the NFL fines Taylor under the good behavior rules, it will be because he was in an incident in the first place, regardless of the no contest plea. But, Sean still has to face the music for the spitting incident from the playoffs. There is a suspension coming for that, regardless of whatever comes from the Dade county case.

Wilsowilso, profootballtalk.com is a gossip site reporting all the "talk" going around about teams and players. They don't pretend to be giving facts.

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[QUOTE=GTripp0012]Here we go, this good news from profootballtalk.com:

'SKINS EXPECT A FINE ONLY FOR TAYLOR

A league source tells us that the Washington Redskins anticipate that safety Sean Taylor's punishment for violating the league's Personal Conduct Policy will be a fine, not a suspension. Under the CBA, the Commissioner has the ability to impose discipline on players who engage in off-field criminal conduct.

Earlier this week, Taylor pleaded no contest to misdemeanor assault and misdemeanor battery as part of a resolution of charges that allowed him to avoid felony counts that carries a maximum of 45 years in prison.

The team, we hear, is 90 percent certain that Taylor won't be suspended.

We're also told that, even if Taylor is suspended, the Redskins won't try to recover any of the signing bonus money paid to the fifth overall pick in the 2004 draft.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for the news. I have been giddy since the verdict and he likely won't get suspended, if he does, 1 - 2 games....that would suck but GW can always make adjustments.....ST will be just fine but Archuletta better step up...either way, we have to be so happy right now that Terry Glenn and TO will be dropping balls over the middle with ST knocking heads off. Amen.

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I sincerely doubt that Tagliabue will take action against Taylor this close to his retirement from the job of commissioner. His replacement, whoever it might be, is going to be very careful his first months in the new job so as not to draw the wrath of management and fans alike and set the media hounds on his trail. I would argue that a light approach, most likely only a fine, would be the most likely result considering the regime change in progress.

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[quote=SanFranSkinsFan]Thanks for the news. I have been giddy since the verdict and he likely won't get suspended, if he does, 1 - 2 games....that would suck but GW can always make adjustments.....ST will be just fine but Archuletta better step up...either way, we have to be so happy right now that Terry Glenn and TO will be dropping balls over the middle with ST knocking heads off. Amen.[/quote]

CBS sportsline is hinting at 1 game .

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[quote=wilsowilso]Can someone explain what profootballtalk.com is exactly?[/quote]

Imagine your favorite bar (or in some peoples cases, steam room) and a bunch of gossipy old farts sitting around making stuff up? Well, that's PFT. Sometimes they get lucky and get a story right-ish. I read it for the East Coast humor.

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[quote=Giantone]CBS sportsline is hinting at 1 game .[/quote]Oh well....if its sportsline...

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25K and one game

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calaskin, welcome and is that the official word?

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[quote=GTripp0012]Oh well....if its sportsline...[/quote]

well ,they still believe Lavar might go to Miami .:food-smil

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[quote=MonkManiac]That's simply not true. That is not what a no contest plea is.

I agree, though, if the NFL does decide to suspend him, it will be a decision motivated solely by image concerns.[/quote]

A no contest plea means he is not going to contest the issue of his guilt, its one in the same as throwing up your hands and saying Im not sayin I did it, and I don't want to argue about the evidence.

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[quote=Master4Caster]That's not what "no contest" is at all. To keep with a sports analogy, no contest is the same as a tie. Nobody won. The prosecution did not "prove" their case agaoinst Taylor, but he will not contest his sentence.

If the NFL fines Taylor under the good behavior rules, it will be because he was in an incident in the first place, regardless of the no contest plea. But, Sean still has to face the music for the spitting incident from the playoffs. There is a suspension coming for that, regardless of whatever comes from the Dade county case.

Wilsowilso, profootballtalk.com is a gossip site reporting all the "talk" going around about teams and players. They don't pretend to be giving facts.[/quote]

If ya wanna split hairs then fine, but by pleading no contest he's not arguing about the evidence. A no contest plea operates the same as a guilty plea for purposes of judgment and punishment.

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[quote=paulskinsfan]If ya wanna split hairs then fine, but by pleading no contest he's not arguing about the evidence. A no contest plea operates the same as a guilty plea for purposes of judgment and punishment.[/quote]

Agreed. A no contest plea is basically acquiescence of the validity of the charges.

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I agree with the previous post saying it's all about NFL image. Taylor has a bad rep in the league and in the sports world, so the league will suspend him to make some kind of point that "even if the courts aren't tough on him, we will be." That wouldn't surprise me a bit.

Whatever. 1 game is better 46 years! :)

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I'd say he's the biggest bonehead in the league right now, but I'd like to see him spit on someone to really run away with the crown.

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kind of like solidifying his stranglehold on bonehead of the entire league artmonkdrillz?

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i really liked henry coming out of college, but i am glad we didnt take him. he really has no sense.

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[quote=dmek25]kind of like solidifying his stranglehold on bonehead of the entire league artmonkdrillz?[/quote]

exactly, although maybe shoving a ref to the ground would be even better than spitting.

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[quote=ArtMonkDrillz]exactly, although maybe shoving a ref to the ground would be even better than spitting.[/quote]or maybe he decks a ref after non-pi call

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Do you guys think the NFL would suspend him for the spitting thing ? I can't remember if they made a decision on that already or not.