Will Andre Carter Be A Bust??
 

I think archeleta (sp?) will be decent. he'll never live up to his contract, but he'll be good. ANDRE CARTER ON THE OTHER HAND...I just dont know. What do u guys think?

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I'll give Carter the benefit of the doubt at the moment. Three games into his career as a Redskin and you are expecting big numbers from him? He hasn't played defensive end in like two years, give him some time to get his rythm back. Archuleta on the other hand, has been straight unimpressive. I was expecting him to be solid, but so far i've seen him on the wrong side of big plays. He looks like Roy Williams when he's in coverage. He's also whiffed on a couple tackles too.

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well, we haven't had any kind of edge rusher since Kenard Lang left, and he wasnt all that great for us... another player that had to go elsewhere to get good...

I just hope we improve in the pass rush. we should've gotten to Carr more, but we'll see.

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In a word, no. 4 percent body fat and a very smart cat. I have faith that rexi was using him improperly.

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I think he isnt as good as the hype. I have said this before and i will say it again. I really believe that San Fran was onto something trying to make him play linebacker.

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I think as the defense comes together, and the season wears on, Carter will begin to hit his stride. I think we expected to much from him out of the gates. When the season wears on other guys, his motor will start to give him an advantage. Also, if we can get a lead with the offense, and Springs gets back on defense, QBs will have to start holding the ball a little longer.

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he has not been worth the money up til now. He can and needs to turn it around.

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[quote=NFLNetwork;221455]I think archeleta (sp?) will be decent. he'll never live up to his contract, but he'll be good. ANDRE CARTER ON THE OTHER HAND...I just dont know. What do u guys think?[/quote]

I would say that the question should be, "When will Andre Carter quit being a bust".

Archuletta has been a step backwards so far.

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[QUOTE=mooby;221456]I'll give Carter the benefit of the doubt at the moment. [B]Three games into his career as a Redskin and you are expecting big numbers from him?[/B] He hasn't played defensive end in like two years, give him some time to get his rythm back.[/QUOTE]

Big numbers? Maybe not. But three full games as a starter, including time in the preseason, and he hasn't got near the opposing quarterback? I know he was switched to linebacker at times in San Fransisco, but he most certainly did line up a defensive end from time to time within the last two years.

Check out my sig. If he was three games into his career as a pro, coming right out of college, then yes he would need time to adjust. But because he's three games into his career as a Redskin shouldn't mean he's forgotten everything he's learned after 4 years in the NFL.

Unless of course, he actually learned anything after 4 years. That remains to be seen.

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The history with GW is that the D starts slow and builds momentum as the season goes on. It is a very heady defense and I think it takes a while before the players are acting without thinking about what they are supposed to be doing first.

Also, we are playing with a #2 & a #3 CB not a #1 & a #2. In Nickle, we are playing w/ a 2, 3 and 5.

Having Springs back will have a substantial impact across the board.

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If you look around the league, there are very few teams that can consistently get pressure from the front four. Jacksonville does it. Dallas is getting better at it. The Giants are hit and miss. One week they look like the fearsome foursome and the next they mail it in. Then there is the odd single player like Freeney who can do it on their own. It seems to be getting really tough to do. I will be happy if he can play the run well. We'll get our pressure with blitzes, especially when Springs gets back. Remember too that Philip Daniels came on with a big push late last year. I'd rather have these guys save something for December.

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Once Springs comes back and the defense becomes more aggressive I think Andre will get more opportunities to pin the ears back and go. They will start overloading his side of the field with blitz packages and/or vice versa and he will get his chances.

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[quote=Meast;221464]In a word, no. 4 percent body fat and a very smart cat. I have faith that rexi was using him improperly.[/quote] Yeah I think we were using him improperly, he isn't a stand up pass rusher. But he did line up at DE for us at time to time, more so as the season went on. Basically 'Dre has had one season where he looked like the real deal. He needs to wake up fast, or I would think his starting job will be yanked.

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4% body fat = dead. just thought it's worth mentioning.

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[quote=That Guy;221544]4% body fat = dead. just thought it's worth mentioning.[/quote] LOL! Dude, you're awesome. This 4% thing never came up when he was with the Niners. Interesting.

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it's possible to have 4% body fat

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I think if we had 2 bulldozing DT's and a secondary that could cover Carter would have astronomical numbers. We have to draft cover corners, and run stuffing DT's. Look what happened to the Ravens with Ngata/Gregg- well you dont hear much from TPryce yet but they may lead the league in sacks. I dunno i would like to see us go to a 3-4 if we dont draft a DT next year, they seem harder to come by because it is an unglorified position compared to LB, we have to create a pass rush w/o taking guys from the secondary to make it. the front 4 is doing a horrible job this year just as they have for the past 6 years. Adding Poseyand Mac. we should be showing glimpses of 3-4 if our only DT is Griffin. This is crazy Carter will be a bust until the secondary can cover everyone every play. If he likes it or not, what he has done this season only proves despite his amazing body/strength? that he is too undersized to play that DE and is better suited in a 3-4. His size would make him much more intimitating than D. Ware or any OLB in the league--oops forgot about Merryman. 3-4 is the way to go for the current selection of guys we have.

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[quote=MightyJoeGibbs;221559]I think if we had 2 bulldozing DT's and a secondary that could cover Carter would have astronomical numbers. We have to draft cover corners, and run stuffing DT's. Look what happened to the Ravens with Ngata/Gregg- well you dont hear much from TPryce yet but they may lead the league in sacks. I dunno i would like to see us go to a 3-4 if we dont draft a DT next year, they seem harder to come by because it is an unglorified position compared to LB, we have to create a pass rush w/o taking guys from the secondary to make it. the front 4 is doing a horrible job this year just as they have for the past 6 years. Adding Poseyand Mac. we should be showing glimpses of 3-4 if our only DT is Griffin. This is crazy Carter will be a bust until the secondary can cover everyone every play. If he likes it or not, what he has done this season only proves despite his amazing body/strength? that he is too undersized to play that DE and is better suited in a 3-4. His size would make him much more intimitating than D. Ware or any OLB in the league--oops forgot about Merryman. 3-4 is the way to go for the current selection of guys we have.[/quote] He was in a 3-4 last season and didn't play very well. I'm not sure that he would be any better this year.

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Rexi,

Why do you come here just talk trash about Carter and Lloyd? I don't go to Chiefs' sites to complain about Rod Gardner, etc. Your comments are always welcome and I don't mean to be a jerk, but you sound really, really unnaturally bitter about Lloyd and Carter.

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[quote=Rexi;221561]He was in a 3-4 last season and didn't play very well. I'm not sure that he would be any better this year.[/quote]

Im not talking about those 49er bums I mean with real players.

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[quote=MightyJoeGibbs;221573]Im not talking about those 49er bums I mean with real players.[/quote] You excuse poor play because he was a 49er? I say poor play is poor play, no matter what colors you wear.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;221566]Rexi,

Why do you come here just talk trash about Carter and Lloyd? I don't go to Chiefs' sites to complain about Rod Gardner, etc. Your comments are always welcome and I don't mean to be a jerk, but you sound really, really unnaturally bitter about Lloyd and Carter.[/quote] Well, I'm on a lot of team's boards not just the Niner one and this one. Carter I really never had a problem with besides his poor play because he never insulted the organization or any of his teammates. Lloyd however was a locker room headache and I just really hate how the guy plays, afraid of contact. Derek Smith, who is currently a 49er is starting to irk me the same way. This season, he's just not getting after it. He's getting dragged by ball carrier and is just not being a factor. I hope he loses his starting job soon and is just a rotational player.

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Derek Smith, former Redskin, has had a pretty solid career. But he's on the tail end of it.

As for Lloyd, it really does seem like you have something personal against him Rexi. I mean I think LaVar was/is a pain in the ass teammate. Whole bunch of wasted potential, but I don't have this deep-seated rage against him. He hasn't personally done anything to me. He's not worth getting an ulcer over.

How did you get the name Rexi by the way?

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[quote=TAFKAS;221578]Derek Smith, former Redskin, has had a pretty solid career. But he's on the tail end of it.[/quote] Yeah he is, but I just don't know where this bad play has come from. I mean he was a never a game changing vicious LB but he can't even get his job done most of the time this season.
[quote]
As for Lloyd, it really does seem like you have something personal against him Rexi. I mean I think LaVar was/is a pain in the ass teammate. Whole bunch of wasted potential, but I don't have this deep-seated rage against him. He hasn't personally done anything to me. He's not worth getting an ulcer over.[/quote]I'm not getting an ulcer, I just don't pull any punches when players don't play like they should in the NFL. Torry Holt, Marvin Harrison are also guys that run out of bounds, jump on the ground
etc. way too often. They're just more talented receivers than Lloyd is.
[quote]How did you get the name Rexi by the way?[/quote] Old girlfriend gave it to me. For some reason it was the first name that popped into my head when I registered.

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But I mean Lloyd isn't a 49er anymore so why does it get to you so much. You think he's ruining the integrity of the NFL, is that it?

Not even sure why I'm asking, I can't say that I really care.

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[quote=TAFKAS;221584]But I mean Lloyd isn't a 49er anymore so why does it get to you so much. You think he's ruining the integrity of the NFL, is that it?

Not even sure why I'm asking, I can't say that I really care.[/quote] No I just call out players that don't play the way they should. It really doesn't get me. I've never even started a thread about him or anything, I made one post about how I felt about him and it exploded from there.

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This just an observation but, it seemed to me that we got from free agency alot of players that came from bad teams.... Kind of makes you think a little bit....

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[QUOTE=70Chip;221526]If you look around the league, there are very few teams that can consistently get pressure from the front four. Jacksonville does it. Dallas is getting better at it. The Giants are hit and miss. One week they look like the fearsome foursome and the next they mail it in. Then there is the odd single player like Freeney who can do it on their own. It seems to be getting really tough to do. I will be happy if he can play the run well. We'll get our pressure with blitzes, especially when Springs gets back. Remember too that Philip Daniels came on with a big push late last year. [B]I'd rather have these guys save something for December.[/B][/QUOTE]

That assumes there's something left to play for in December. Going through the motions and sub-par play in September and October makes December meaningless.

Good point though about pass rush throughout the league. I remember reading something about finding monsters along the D-line. Someone said that it's almost as difficult to find game-changers at defensive end and tackle as it is getting a franchise quarterback. I believe it.

Still, it's what sets good teams apart. Being able to pressure the quarterback without having to send nickel corners and linebackers on an all out blitz is exactly the reason we brought Carter in here. At the very least, he was supposed to open things up for Philip Daniels by drawing double teams.

No, nobody's saying we expect 5 sacks a game from the D-ends. But three games and ZERO sacks? That's a disappointment no matter how you look at it.

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[QUOTE=jbcjr14;221532]Once Springs comes back and the defense becomes more aggressive I think Andre will get more opportunities to pin the ears back and go. They will start overloading his side of the field with blitz packages and/or vice versa and he will get his chances.[/QUOTE]


That doesn't make any sense. Springs coming back has no impact on Carter being able to "get his chances" to hurry the quarterback. Springs' injury only negates our ability to blitz.

Carter has an opportunity to "pin his ears back" on every play right now.

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[QUOTE=70Chip;221526]If you look around the league, there are very few teams that can consistently get pressure from the front four. Jacksonville does it. Dallas is getting better at it. The Giants are hit and miss. One week they look like the fearsome foursome and the next they mail it in. Then there is the odd single player like Freeney who can do it on their own. It seems to be getting really tough to do. I will be happy if he can play the run well. We'll get our pressure with blitzes, especially when Springs gets back. Remember too that Philip Daniels came on with a big push late last year. I'd rather have these guys save something for December.[/QUOTE]

Incidentally, Freeney has no sacks this year either. Of course, Mathis at the other end has 4.

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[quote=Beemnseven;221709]That doesn't make any sense. Springs coming back has no impact on Carter being able to "get his chances" to hurry the quarterback. Springs' injury only negates our ability to blitz.

Carter has an opportunity to "pin his ears back" on every play right now.[/quote]

Springs will be another threat that teams will have to adjust pass blocking schemes for. Don't forget, Shawn led our team in sacks 2 years ago.

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[QUOTE=Alvin#40;221711]Springs will be another threat that teams will have to adjust pass blocking schemes for. Don't forget, Shawn led our team in sacks 2 years ago.[/QUOTE]

Right. And that sure tells you someting about the defensive ends we've had, doesn't it?

Three seasons later, nothing's changed.

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[QUOTE=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;221566]Rexi,

Why do you come here just talk trash about Carter and Lloyd? I don't go to Chiefs' sites to complain about Rod Gardner, etc. Your comments are always welcome and I don't mean to be a jerk, but you sound really, really unnaturally bitter about Lloyd and Carter.[/QUOTE]
I summoned him to this thread, blame me sheriff

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I thought AC played very well today. I think he had 1 sack maybe 1.5 and a ton of pressures on the QB.

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[quote=MightyJoeGibbs;221559]I think if we had 2 bulldozing DT's and a secondary that could cover Carter would have astronomical numbers. We have to draft cover corners, and run stuffing DT's. .[/quote]

We got good DT pressure that werent moved out of the way and AC has more production. Just as I stated, cuz Im high on the Gospel of Gibbs.

Testify and f***** Hail

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Finally, some pressure. Carter and Daniels -- 4 games, 2 sacks.

Yee ha.

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carter played pretty damn well tonight. hail!

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[quote=Big C;222076]carter played pretty damn well tonight. hail![/quote]

I disagree, I have yet to see something great from him. His sack developed, and mainly bc Leftwich held it too long... I want to see some moves, or power sacks. He still looks a bit slow.

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[quote=hooskins;222093]I disagree, I have yet to see something great from him. His sack developed, and mainly bc Leftwich held it too long... I want to see some moves, or power sacks. He still looks a bit slow.[/quote]
he had his 1st sack but i agree hoo. Although i saw good pursuit down the line from him, you are right, still not impressed here!
I would give him his first PASSING grade!

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[QUOTE=hooskins;222093]I disagree, I have yet to see something great from him. His sack developed, and mainly bc Leftwich held it too long... I want to see some moves, or power sacks. He still looks a bit slow.[/QUOTE]

the coverage down the line was something we missed, hes got speed. baby steps...baby steps...