Bring on Mr. McIntosh, Warrick is Terrible in Coverage
 

Please tell me that Rocky is going to get some playing time. Warrick Holdman has been beat so many times in coverage, its ridiculous. He missed a bunch of tackles. Last year, we were vulnerable to the big run play on his side, until he was replaced by Arrington. Get him out and put Rocky in!!

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I agree totally. He was the problem last year and I think he is the problem this year. He is just not good at all. I'm glad Lemar is back in the middle. Now Holdman needs to be removed totally out of Redksins Park.

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Holdman is only one factor in a bevy of factors for this atrocious defense. If we had a defensive line worth a nickel, Holdman, Marshall and Marcus Washington would be making a hell of a lot more noise. Right now, the front four absorbs everything, never gets penetration, and when lined up against an offense committed to running the ball, they'll get run on.

Not only that, the secondary hasn't been able to cover [B]ANYBODY[/B] yet. There are fundamental breakdowns all over this defense. Singling out Warrick Holdman is like General George Custer raising hell with a poor marksman at the Battle of Little Big Horn.

Still, I also wonder what the coaches are afraid of at this point by playing Rocky Mac.

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I think you are right. They seem as if they are not happy with what they have seen. He has hardly played a down, maybe non on defense. Williams odviously will let a rookie play. Look at Golston. He let Taylor play some his first year.

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Let's just bench or cut everyone and call it a season.

There are other guys playing worse than Holdman.

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[QUOTE=chris36;226488]I think you are right. They seem as if they are not happy with what they have seen. He has hardly played a down, maybe non on defense. Williams odviously will let a rookie play. Look at Golston. He let Taylor play some his first year.[/QUOTE]

Good point. Golston has played, though admittedly, only because Saleve'a has been nicked up -- and since this team continues to ignore the defensive line, Williams had no choice but to play him. Then there's Taylor, so yeah, Williams hasn't shied away from throwing his rookies to the wolves, at least for a play here and there.

What's wrong with McIntosh? Why haven't we seen him yet?

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With the problems we've had on defense GW probably doesn't want to toss any more rookies or inexperienced guys in there than he has to. Holdman is a vet who's not playing all that bad, not bad enough to warrant being benched that's for sure. Why add to the problems at this point?

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can Rocky play corner?

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Rocky looks like a potential playmaker with his speed and athleticism. Perhaps GW will work him into pass defense packages as he did with Chris Clemons last season.

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I was just thinking of Chris and wondering if he could come back now, for those passing situation.

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R us freakin kidding me Warrick is terrible maybe you better check your stats , he had 8 tackles in the game I believe just one behind Lemar Marshall you had 9. Many of the redskins defense missed tackles on Sunday. Also Warrick is right up there in the team ranks as far as overall tackles for the year and he does not even plays the entire game he comes out when they run that sorry ass nickle package. Warrick Holdman on defense is the least of our worries dude!

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Too bad we didn't take Thomas Howard in the draft instead of Rocky. Howard is a former saftey with great speed and would be much better in coverage. He is starting for the Raiders and it looks like Krik Morrison,Mike Huff, and him are the only thing going for that team on D.

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Well it's disconsurting to see another draft pick we just had to have can't beat out Warrick Holdman, whether or not Holdman is playing up to par is irrelevant, we gave up picks to get Rocky, if he is incapable of beating Holdman than there is a problem with our ability to evaluate talent.

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[quote=tika49;226531]R us freakin kidding me Warrick is terrible maybe you better check your stats , he had 8 tackles in the game I believe just one behind Lemar Marshall you had 9. Many of the redskins defense missed tackles on Sunday. Also Warrick is right up there in the team ranks as far as overall tackles for the year and he does not even plays the entire game he comes out when they run that sorry ass nickle package. Warrick Holdman on defense is the least of our worries dude![/quote]

watch the game, not the stat line. he's not doing so hot. i mean, arch had 10 tackles, but he wasn't exactly a decisive factor in our win over the giants... oh yeah, i forgot, we lost. and gave up 500 yards in doing so.

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its more than holdman. and i sgree with matty. why put a rookie into this diaster? rookies = rookie mistakes

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the entire D as a whole is sucking.

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[quote=offiss;226574]Well it's disconsurting to see another draft pick we just had to have can't beat out Warrick Holdman, whether or not Holdman is playing up to par is irrelevant, we gave up picks to get Rocky, if he is incapable of beating Holdman than there is a problem with our ability to evaluate talent.[/quote]

Williams has a history of bringing his rookie defenders along slowly, and with a vet who's playing well enough what's the rush? With the problems we have right now, tossing a rookie in the mix just might compound things.

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Anyone but Rogers! he could be the worst corner in the NFL right now...
bold statement...but has he done anything positive?

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[quote=BrunellMVP?;226627]Anyone but Rogers! he could be the worst corner in the NFL right now...
bold statement...but has he done anything positive?[/quote]

There are plenty of guys that are far worse.

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are any as big a disappointment?

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[quote=BrunellMVP?;226632]are any as big a disappointment?[/quote]

rumph, ahmad carrol, quentin jammer, pacman jones... shall i continue?

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Rocky isn't the magic bullet. But I'd like him to get some time to get experience. I don't think Holdman has been bad this year--he's way better than last year, IMO. Doubt you'll see GW and co going to a rookie at LB. We'll see. GW has said nothing but good things about Rocky, but he's high on Holdman too.

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We just need 11 Ade Jimohs and we'd be set. :)

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im really surprised ade hasnt played more. i thought towards the end of last season he was turning into a legit nfl corner

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thatguy, any thoughts on jimoh? you usually have some dirt on the thought process

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Yes the D has been dissapointing this season so far.I would love to see some pressure from the line would help the whole unit. However you dont win too many games with 3 measly points

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well, somebody has to be blamed, I guess its Warrick Holdman. I think he sucks, always has. but, according to coaches he works hard, smart, in the right place. Well, what happens when the guy just flat out sucks. being in the right place isn't enought. the guy misses tackles, gets taken out of the plays to easily, is as slow as me. I say let Rocky play. cant get any worse.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;226624]Williams has a history of bringing his rookie defenders along slowly, and with a vet who's playing well enough what's the rush? With the problems we have right now, tossing a rookie in the mix just might compound things.[/QUOTE]


I know, I just see rookie after rookie around the league on the field and contributing, and then see a guy who can't break through at weekside LB.

If Holdmans play has been adequet thats about it, I watched the rookie TE from Jacksonville truck him on the sideline allowing him about 4 extra yards late in the game as he ran right over the top of Holdman, I know those things are bound to happen to every player at some time during the season, it just makes you wonder why Rocky can't do a better job.

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[quote=dmek25;226676]thatguy, any thoughts on jimoh? you usually have some dirt on the thought process[/quote]

he's not faster than rumph or wright. great special teamer, and while he looked okay in coverage last year, he still got beat a bit. I honestly don't think he could be much worse than what we're trotting out there right now though, and he was a LOT better last year than the previous two.

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well, speed isnt getting wright and rumph anywhere. why not, at least, try the ade in some spots?

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this is what the defense has come too? people wanting jimoh actually on the field?

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Holdman's been playing a lot better this season than he was last season. However, I do agree he's a liability, but that doesn't mean that Rocky's ready to go either. Rocky looked good in the preseason...at the end of games. It's hard to say what he'd do as a starter.

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[QUOTE=dmek25;226675]im really surprised ade hasnt played more. i thought towards the end of last season he was turning into a legit nfl corner[/QUOTE]

So did I. I'm really surprised he hasn't been playing more given this pitiful defense. I mean I can't recall seeing him on the field for even one play this year (special teams aside). Is he really that bad? Is he banging GW's daughter or something?

[QUOTE=dmek25;226842]this is what the defense has come too? people wanting jimoh actually on the field?[/QUOTE]

Yes, as sad as that sounds.

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[quote=dmek25;226841]well, speed isnt getting wright and rumph anywhere. why not, at least, try the ade in some spots?[/quote]

rumph and wright might both be 4.6 guys. no better than nickel guys anyways. and i can't imagine it being any worse. it's not like the other teams aren't going bombs away anyways.

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Ade will finally answer fulfull the prophecy and become our defensive savior. and you wondered why he's been here so long. we were waiting for THIS moment.

Warrick = least of our worries. wouldn't mind trying a 3-4 with Rocky and Warrick though. Carter is obviously not doing a thing.

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If I am not mistaken Ade played pretty well last year. I cant believe we have not used him yet. It cant be any worse than what has been. Someone tell Greg to put him in.

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I don't know how we can ask for McIntosh to be put in the starting lineup. We haven't seen anything from him yet.

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The Ade groundswell is definitely picking up momentum...

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I got a chance to talk with Rocky's uncle at the Giants game. I patted him on the back saying it was good to see someone with a rookies jersey on, looking toward the future. He then told me Rocky was his nephew. I told him how anxious many of us were/are to see him play and he commented that Rocky was just biding his time and learning as much as he can from his mentors and coaches. He is very excited to get a chance to play and the sooner the better, but he is very content to continue to learn the game and be patient. Sounds like Rocky has his head in the right place and is a humble young man. His aunt and uncle were very nice and they seem very proud.
With that said....I think it is time for Rocky!!!

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I am sure Rocky is a nice kid, but do not blame Warrick Holdman for the Redskins front office once again giving up draft picks for a rookie linebacker. The front office once again jumped the gun and Warrick Holdman is not playing bad enough to warrant GW bringing in a rookie to try and gel with Lemar and Marcus