Jason Campbell: when will the switch be made?
 

It's inevitable that the switch will be made at some point this year, unless of course the team gets incredibly hot and makes a serious playoff push.

But let's talk reality here, even though it happened last year and I'm still holding out hope, I don't think we're going to see another miracle turnaround. We've got too many problems on both sides of the ball to all of a sudden hit the switch.

So the question is, when will we see Campbell? I think alot of us are thinking if they lose to the Colts on Sunday, with a 2-5 record and a bye week to give them extra time to get him ready the Nov. 5th game against Dallas would be the perfect time to plug him in.

I say it's not gonna happen.

With two division games against Dallas and Philly on the other side of the bye and the fact that the Skins would still be technically alive in the playoff race, I honestly don't see Campbell starting until the playoffs are all but out of reach and that won't be until the Skins hit 7 losses.

Starting Campbell is going to be a strong signal that the season is over. I don't think Gibbs is afraid to make a QB change, but I do think he is hesitant to raise the white flag until he absolutely has to.

Take it for what it is, but this is just my little warning to not slit your wrists when you see Brunell starting after the bye regardless of what happens against Indy.

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[quote=Mattyk72;230810]Take it for what it is, but this is just my little warning to not slit your wrists when you see Brunell starting after the bye regardless of what happens against Indy.[/quote]

From what Gibbs has been saying this week, that scenario seems the most likely, unless Brunell pulls a Rex Grossman, or gets his leg broken. What Gibbs apparently can't see though, is the fact that the season is over if Brunell continues to play the way he has all season.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;230810]It's inevitable that the switch will be made at some point this year, unless of course the team gets incredibly hot and makes a serious playoff push.

But let's talk reality here, even though it happened last year and I'm still holding out hope, I don't think we're going to see another miracle turnaround. We've got too many problems on both sides of the ball to all of a sudden hit the switch.

So the question is, when will we see Campbell? I think alot of us are thinking if they lose to the Colts on Sunday, with a 2-5 record and a bye week to give them extra time to get him ready the Nov. 5th game against Dallas would be the perfect time to plug him in.

I say it's not gonna happen.

With two division games against Dallas and Philly on the other side of the bye and the fact that the Skins would still be technically alive in the playoff race, I honestly don't see Campbell starting until the playoffs are all but out of reach and that won't be until the Skins hit 7 losses.

Starting Campbell is going to be a strong signal that the season is over. I don't think Gibbs is afraid to make a QB change, but I do think he is hesitant to raise the white flag until he absolutely has to.

Take it for what it is, but this is just my little warning to not slit your wrists when you see Brunell starting after the bye regardless of what happens against Indy.[/QUOTE]


I agree, JC is not going to start afte the bye no matter what happens this week. I dont think JC will start this season at all. For whatever reason Gibbs is loyal to MB and wont pull him unless he gets hurt. I will say there is a small chance JC could start in week 16 but I think those chances are minimal.

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[quote=irish;230816]I agree, JC is not going to start afte the bye no matter what happens this week. I dont think JC will start this season at all. For whatever reason Gibbs is loyal to MB and wont pull him unless he gets hurt. I will say there is a small chance JC could start in week 16 but I think those chances are minimal.[/quote]

I don't agree.

If the Skins hit 7 losses the playoffs would be out of reach in all likelihood. It would make absolutely no sense to keep playing Brunell at that point. Gibbs isn't dumb, at that point he would know that it's time to begin the Campbell era. Besides, the fans would boo Brunell out of the stadium at that point.

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I'm afraid you're probably right, Matty. And we already know about Gibbs great loyalty to Brunnell. And it's especially likely if the rest of the team continues to play poorly. First, it suggests that MB isn't the only problem here, so switching him won't really help. And two, if the rest of the team is playing badly, it would be a tough way to start the Campbell era. Little is gained by having him go out there with the rest of the team unable to support him (recall the sad saga of Patrick Ramsey...). So it' MB for a few more games at least.

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[quote=irish;230816]I agree, JC is not going to start afte the bye no matter what happens this week. I dont think JC will start this season at all. For whatever reason Gibbs is loyal to MB and wont pull him unless he gets hurt. I will say there is a small chance JC could start in week 16 but I think those chances are minimal.[/quote]
Gibbs is loyal. He tries to take care of the people, that take care of him. More than that, he made the statement, "I try to put the team in the best position to win". At this point in time, MB is the best QB possibility on this team to win..........now. We lose to Indy, I want JC in. Gibbs won't let that happen until Archimedes pronounces us dead. I'm ok with that, evaluate, and execute for next season.

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Brunell will be the starter as long as we have a chance of making the playoffs. Then if we do not see JC we have to start second guessing what Gibbs is thinking. I would love to be a fly on the wall to hear waht Al and Gibbs talk about after each game. We have not heard any rumors of AL wanting JC as of yet unless I missed something. With that said JC won't see the field because we going to start kicking butt!

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[quote=firstdown;230826]Brunell will be the starter as long as we have a chance of making the playoffs. Then if we do not see JC we have to start second guessing what Gibbs is thinking. I would love to be a fly on the wall to hear waht Al and Gibbs talk about after each game. We have not heard any rumors of AL wanting JC as of yet unless I missed something. With that said JC won't see the field because we going to start kicking butt![/quote]
I think about that all the time! I would give anything to know what REALLY goes on rather than the SWILL fed to the media

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;230818]I don't agree.

If the Skins hit 7 losses the playoffs would be out of reach in all likelihood. It would make absolutely no sense to keep playing Brunell at that point. Gibbs isn't dumb, at that point he would know that it's time to begin the Campbell era. Besides, the fans would boo Brunell out of the stadium at that point.[/QUOTE]

I agree Gibbs isnt dumb. I also know Gibbs wont play JC just to get him time. He will only play JC if he thinks can succeed and wont get killed. Right now I'm not sure Gibbs thinks that JC can do it.

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I do not think Gibbs will play JC until we have 7 losses. I wouldn't switch QBs until that point either.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;230837]I do not think Gibbs will play JC until we have 7 losses. I wouldn't switch QBs until that point either.[/quote]

I agree & I agree w/Matty's post. I don't think JC should play if we lose to the colts, because all nfc & div. games would still be left. Wash times says after Dal. & philly, which sounds right to me.

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I agree with most of what's been said, up to the point that playing Campbell equates to giving up on the season. That is the case if Campbell struggles, but what if his athleticism behind center is just what we needed? I recall when Eli Manning was given the reins to a team deemed to be a title contender the vets almost revolted, but why draft a guy in the first round if you're not going to play him? We made the deal for him because we thought he could play and play well for us.

So I guess I don't agree. I think continuing to play Brunell and pretend that he's going to somehow turn things around is giving up on the season. That said, there's no way Campbell plays until we have 9 losses. 7 losses and we're still "mathematically alive" and the specter of how well we finished last year will prevent Gibbs from pulling the trigger.

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[QUOTE=Hog1;230825]More than that, he made the statement, "I try to put the team in the best position to win". At this point in time, MB is the best QB possibility on this team to win..........now. [/QUOTE]

gotta love hearing that. "win now". since we've been doing so much of that.

here's a question, what do you think our record would be had we practiced and started Campbell this season? while i'm sure our INT count would be higher, i think our TD count would be higher as well...

oh, that said, i agree with Matty. Gibbs wouldn't sit Brunell until he had to by injury, or had to by defeat and front office pressure (8 losses). sigh.

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I agree with most of the other posters about JC starting after we are eliminated from the playoff hunt. However, with 7 losses we might still be contending ... it all depends on the rest of the division/conference.

if MB doesn't start playing well, then I hope we will be eliminated quickly.

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Not soon enough.

Coach should have used the offseason-preseason prepping Campbell and having Brunell and Collins mentor.

As for this season, we saw what happened last season when it seemed out of reach, so nothing is beyond this team when they get the bit between their teeth. The only problem is we really haven't seen much from the D to convince any of us that it can be an [I]'all aspects of the game'[/I] recovery.

Realistically I now have 2007 season to look forward to.:Flush:

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I think with all of the speculation with the QB scenario and the team's season being over, we actually do have a good chance to pull out at least a wild card spot... in which case I don't see campbell playing at all, unless brunell gets hurt.

I know these guys have character, and the league has been finicky this year... The eagles just got handled by the saints... I don't know which way is up...

If we get smoked by Indy, and he throws 2+ picks, campbell gets the nod... otherwise I think brunell will be starting until all hope is gone...

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Assume Sunday afternoon, the record is 2-5 (this isn't a lock, but let's be honest, it is the overwhelming probable scenario).

JG faces a huge risk by waiting until the record is x-7 or x-8.

If MB continues to play as he has, and then JG brings in JC to play the last 6 or 7 games, if JC plays better than #8, JG has a big problem.

The reason to continue to start #8 is that he gives the Skins the best chance to win -- even though his play has been terrible.

If JC comes in and the team turns around (yes, a change at QB can change how everyone else performs), then it is clear that JG was completely wrong that #8 created the best chance for this team to achieve what it is capable of and that he threw away the season by not making this move sooner.

At 2-5, JG has very low down side and very big upside for pulling the trigger.

Will he do it? Who knows.

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I would imagine... (pure speculation) that some of the other recievers (not named moss) are pulling for Campbell pretty hard, because it seems like brunell does not look their way often... at least not often enough....

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The thing with the Indy game is it plays right into the [I]'There, I said he wasn't done'[/I] camp. They have an atrocious run D, we run Portis and dump off short passes all day and come away with a 'miracle' win.

More Brunell, more losses. If we go in with JC and let him take baby steps we'd get the win and get JC some confidence, not that I think he needs it.

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[QUOTE=memphisskin;230854]I agree with most of what's been said, up to the point that playing Campbell equates to giving up on the season. That is the case if Campbell struggles, but what if his athleticism behind center is just what we needed? I recall when Eli Manning was given the reins to a team deemed to be a title contender the vets almost revolted, but why draft a guy in the first round if you're not going to play him? We made the deal for him because we thought he could play and play well for us.

So I guess I don't agree. I think continuing to play Brunell and pretend that he's going to somehow turn things around is giving up on the season. That said, there's no way Campbell plays until we have 9 losses. 7 losses and we're still "mathematically alive" and the specter of how well we finished last year will prevent Gibbs from pulling the trigger.[/QUOTE]

One thing I have noticed is that Skins fans seem to think starting JC at QB equates to giving up on the season. I find this interesting because rookie QBs are proving they can play well and win games all over the league yet for some reason its believed that JC (not a rookie) cant come in and win or lead the team to the playoffs.

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Rookie QBs don't typically come in and play well, I really think what we're seeing this year is an exception to the rule.

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[quote=illdefined;230866]gotta love hearing that. "win now". since we've been doing so much of that.

here's a question, what do you think our record would be had we practiced and started Campbell this season? while i'm sure our INT count would be higher, i think our TD count would be higher as well...

oh, that said, i agree with Matty. Gibbs wouldn't sit Brunell until he had to by injury, or had to by defeat and front office pressure (8 losses). sigh.[/quote]
In preseason CJ threw 0 TD's and 2int's so I don't know if the TD's would be up.

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If Brunell sucks vs Indy and gets called to start. The boos will start the second Mark Brunell takes the field, till the time he's off it. I expect him to be done after the Colts game. What I wouldn't give to trade places with Chris Samuels or John Jansen this Sunday...

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[QUOTE=firstdown;230884]In preseason CJ threw 0 TD's and 2int's so I don't know if the TD's would be up.[/QUOTE]

Wasn't that Brunell's (who was working with the #1 offense) stat line as well?

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[QUOTE=canthetuna;230877]I would imagine... (pure speculation) that some of the other recievers (not named moss) are pulling for Campbell pretty hard, because it seems like brunell does not look their way often... at least not often enough....[/QUOTE]

don't be so sure about that (not named moss).

Santana was dissing the Cover-2 as a defense, said he'd be great at it even though he's never played corner. more importantly he was saying that's all defenses are doing to us. most words from him i've ever heard, this is Santana Moss, not T.O. about as much of a diss to the scheme/QB you can expect from him.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;230880]Rookie QBs don't typically come in and play well, I really think what we're seeing this year is an exception to the rule.[/QUOTE]

heh, would be a good year to try then..

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Thats because rookie QBs who come in don't have veteran leadership around them, a stud back to hand off to, and are often on poor teams.

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[QUOTE=illdefined;230896]don't be so sure about that (not named moss).

Santana was dissing the Cover-2 as a defense, said he'd be great at it even though he's never played corner. more importantly he was saying that's all defenses are doing to us. most words from him i've ever heard, this is Santana Moss, not T.O. about as much of a diss to the scheme/QB you can expect from him.[/QUOTE]

Moss has also praised Brunell several times this year. But I guess the only quotes that matter are the ones out of frustration

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Get Campbell in there as soon as possible! I am sure he can complete a 10 yard dump off pass to Cooley (the one that MB either over throws or skips off the turf 3 yds short). Or a pass over the middle to Llyod or Moss, the ones that MB overthrows, almost getting his WR's killed. JC should be given the reigns and allowed to learn the system, like the Steelers did with Big Ben, Run the damn ball and give your you QB a chance to make good plays (dont set him up for disaster).

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS;230899]Moss has also praised Brunell several times this year. But I guess the only quotes that matter are the ones out of frustration[/QUOTE]

what's it say if the most recent have been out of frustration?

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[QUOTE=Stacks42;230900]Get Campbell in there as soon as possible! I am sure he can complete a 10 yard dump off pass to Cooley (the one that MB either over throws or skips off the turf 3 yds short). Or a pass over the middle to Llyod or Moss, the ones that MB overthrows, almost getting his WR's killed. JC should be given the reigns and allowed to learn the system, like the Steelers did with Big Ben, Run the damn ball and give your you QB a chance to make good plays (dont set him up for disaster).[/QUOTE]

Yep, there are plenty of rookie QBs that come in and play good enough to let their team win. Even more 2nd year QBs (which is what JC is). JC is not a rookie so I dont understand why there is this reluctance or season is over attitude toward letting JC play.

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Thus far this season, I have been an advocate of Mark Brunell remaining the starting quarterback. I have been an advocate because I believe that he isn't the reason why we lost games we should have won (Minnesota & Tennessee). I still feel that way, and my opinion is that he will remain the starting quarterback until he gets hurt, or we are mathematically eliminated from the playoffs. The bigger question is how do we make our defense better, not when we will switch quarterbacks, but that is for another thread. Bottom line is once we are eliminated from the wildcard picture, we will probably see a quarterback change. If we do get eliminated from contention and we don't see a quarterback change, then I will really begin to question what's going on with the coaching staff. Sorry guys but Brunell is the guy for now, and if the rest of the team improves around him we still have a good chance at this. He can't do it alone...no quarterback can. Not even JC.

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If Mark Brunell comes out flat, and can't get Moss and Co. the ball in INDI and that's why we lose... Brunell is out.

The questions are now in his face. The idea is floating around, but he's being ole' Joe Gibbs and staying the course. I just think if it blows up in his face in INDI, He can't start him after the bye.

It'll be the perfect opportunity to give JC a head start, he knows that. He wants above all for his team to win, and if he has an epiphany at the INDI game the switch will be made.

Granted the reason we lose HAS to be Mark. Brunell has to prove the skeptics right. Not very likely... but not very unlikely either. Brunell may lose his own Job this week. It's up to him.

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good post Rob

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I have a bad feeling we are going to drop one to either the Bucs or the Panthers. JC makes his first start following whichever one we lose.

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[quote=illdefined;230866]gotta love hearing that. "win now". since we've been doing so much of that.

here's a question, what do you think our record would be had we practiced and started Campbell this season? while i'm sure our INT count would be higher, i think our TD count would be higher as well...

oh, that said, i agree with Matty. Gibbs wouldn't sit Brunell until he had to by injury, or had to by defeat and front office pressure (8 losses). sigh.[/quote]

It is a rare Rook that has other than catastrophic first years with 2+ints, a fumble or two thrown in for enterainment per game, sub 50% completion ratio. That coupled with a Defense that gets beaten like a rented mule, and an O that is ineffective, with no running game, doesn't sound like the keys to success. If anything else were working, and the QB were the only possible weak link, it would be different. That just is not the case. Bringing in JC in this environment is going to be rough on him. However, we get beat by Indy, I'm for the JC era to begin

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You're absolutely right, RobH. The idea that he may be benched is floating around Brunell's head this week. From the booing he received at home on Sunday to the fact that ESPN felt it necessary to put that he was getting the start v. the Colts on it's bottomline (which I thought was very telling) he's been forced to face the possiblity that he may be close to losing his job.
Hopefully this causes him to man up on Sunday and he can prove many of us (including myself) wrong.

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we all forget that JC isn't a rookie! if it's because he still hasn't started a game, then how do you ever stop "being a rookie" if you never play?

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[quote=TAFKAS;230899]Moss has also praised Brunell several times this year. But I guess the only quotes that matter are the ones out of frustration[/quote]

The players have publicly backed Brunell at every chance. I really don't think there is any internal turmoil over the QB situation. They understand that Brunell is not the sole cause of the struggles.

That being said I'm sure they would also back Campbell 110%.

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[quote=Mattyk72;230935]The players have publicly backed Brunell at every chance. I really don't think there is any internal turmoil over the QB situation. They understand that Brunell is not the sole cause of the struggles.

That being said I'm sure they would also back Campbell 110%.[/quote]
I mean, I think that says more about Joe Gibbs (no public turmoil) then the players' thoughts themselves. I want to scream at Brunell sometimes... can you imagine what you'd want to do/say if your Santana Moss? I think Joe Gibbs makes it clear, "if you've got a problem.. come to me, not the media who won't give you answers..", he's always had that kind of mentality (from what I've seen).

I agree that they understand that Brunell is not the sole cause to all of their struggles, but any potential coaching decision (whether or not it's the right one) that isn't made, players will talk about it amoungst themselves. The key difference is that with Joe Gibbs, we don't ever know about it and thats a damn good thing. (see New York Giants)