How Is Our Playcalling?
 

Today the Skins blew a 14 point lead. I lay the majority of the blame at the defenses' feet for allowing yet more big plays which, unfortunately, has characterized Gregg Williams' defense the past few years.

I think one area that really killed us today as well was the play calling.

I'm not calling for Gibbs' head, but it seems like he/Al lacks that killer instinct that when we have a team on the ropes, we don't finish them off.

Please discuss.

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That's true. Whenever we get a lead Gibbs seems to become complacent and never really tries to finish a team off. I got the feeling after we got a 14 point lead that the defense figured they were in for an easy day and didn't play as hard until there was huge stakes, and by that time Atlanta had us pretty much figured out. JC didn't play that good today, but i'm not gonna lay a lot of the blame on him, because i expected it to happen sooner or later this season. I hope in the future Gibbs/Saunders really starts trying to finish teams off instead of just being content with a lead.

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you have to remember, that for the past two years, we could win games like that...get a lead, let the D and running game take over. Its hard to switch gears this late in the season when nothing is going your way. I'm not saying what happened was justified though, but perhaps if the D returns to form, it won't matter so much. Someone suggested blaming the D line, and I didn't see much of the second half...but what I did see is Wright/Rumph getting burned a lot, and giving way too big of cushions

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our play calling was shitty in the second half.


also i hope you all are over your love fest with vernon fox, missed atleast 3 huge tackles, one of which for a TD.

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vernon fox is still better than Arch...and he's coachable, once the D gets regrouped, he could be valuable.

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Why does everyone want to focus on the offense when the bigger problem was the D getting gashed for 200+ yards on the ground??

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[quote=Mattyk72;254915]Why does everyone want to focus on the offense when the bigger problem was the D getting gashed for 200+ yards on the ground??[/quote]

Seriously. And it was actually 251, or something around that. That's friggin ridiculous.

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This is just plain out stupid. Sorry, but I have to say it. Every time when our team plays to our strengths...which is RUNNING THE FREAKIN' ball, people whine and piss their diapers because our offense is playing too conservative. Yet, look at the games we have won this year and in the recent past...it's because we have RAN THE FOOTBALL MORE THAN WE HAVE PASSED! Gee....so if we win more when we run the football, it only makes sense to run the football. I guess people want Campbell to drop back on every play and pass it 40 yards down field. I'm sure it works on your computer games.

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playcalling was very good for the majority of the game. we got back to redskins football, betts 155 yards rushing! campbell just wasnt completing passes (18/38), he will improve with time. if we keep playcalling like this down the road when campbell matures this will be a great offense

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[quote=skinsguy;254952]This is just plain out stupid. Sorry, but I have to say it. Every time when our team plays to our strengths...which is RUNNING THE FREAKIN' ball, people whine and piss their diapers because our offense is playing too conservative. Yet, look at the games we have won this year and in the recent past...it's because we have RAN THE FOOTBALL MORE THAN WE HAVE PASSED! Gee....so if we win more when we run the football, it only makes sense to run the football. I guess people want Campbell to drop back on every play and pass it 40 yards down field. I'm sure it works on your computer games.[/quote]
Amen, thank you. If JC didnt throw those picks and completed a couple more passes we would have easily won the game.

I swear to god, NO ONE said shit when Saunders came here, and now people are looking for blame. I am not saying he did great or even good. He should have had more protection for Campbell, but that is it. The play calling was fine.

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[quote=AlvinWalton'sNeckBrace;254773]you have to remember, that for the past two years, we could win games like that...get a lead, let the D and running game take over. Its hard to switch gears this late in the season when nothing is going your way. I'm not saying what happened was justified though, but perhaps if the D returns to form, it won't matter so much. Someone suggested blaming the D line, and I didn't see much of the second half...but what I did see is Wright/Rumph getting burned a lot, and giving way too big of cushions[/quote]


We also lost some games like this too? Remember Oak.? Remember SD? Both home losses last year with leads in the 2nd half. Personally I hate all the conservative play calling. You run to win but you throw to score. I know JC is only started his 3rd game but we still need to push the ball down the field A LOT MORE. It looked like SM was getting open all day and we should have went to him a lot more. I would also like to see Saunders call the plays from the sideline.

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the play calling is horrific, we finally eliminate all of the stupid penalties which i thought were killing us before but apparently not. i mean, a half back draw on 3rd down with 40 sec left? what happened to the ol' brunell bootleg play, i would have liked to see campbell either throw or run it in

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[quote=Mattyk72;254915]Why does everyone want to focus on the offense when the bigger problem was the D getting gashed for 200+ yards on the ground??[/quote]

That shouldn't be surprising. It's the Falcons - they are going to put up 200 yards rushing on you. Thing is though, they don't usually win despite all of those yards, because they are a fairly one-dimensional team.

Our defense screwed up, but it wasn't on the ground - it was in the air. Let Vick and Dunn get their yards between the 20s, but you can't let Vick throw two 15+ yard TD passes.

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The D is giving up all those yards because they are on the field so much they are gassed by the time the 4th quarter arrives. I dont care what kind of D a team has nobody can be on the field as much as the redskins D and not have them to get tired.

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[QUOTE=onlydarksets;255328]That shouldn't be surprising. It's the Falcons - they are going to put up 200 yards rushing on you. Thing is though, they don't usually win despite all of those yards, because they are a fairly one-dimensional team.

Our defense screwed up, but it wasn't on the ground - it was in the air. Let Vick and Dunn get their yards between the 20s, but you can't let Vick throw two 15+ yard TD passes.[/QUOTE]

Yeah. With this game, they now have 7 games with 200+ rushing yards ... damn!

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[QUOTE=chrisl4064;255189]the play calling is horrific, we finally eliminate all of the stupid penalties which i thought were killing us before but apparently not. i mean, a half back draw on 3rd down with 40 sec left? what happened to the ol' brunell bootleg play, i would have liked to see campbell either throw or run it in[/QUOTE]

I wouldn't say the playcalling was "horrific", or even bad -- it was pretty good (like someone else said, Betts had 155 yards). However, I was thinking the exact same thing about the Brunell bootleg.

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[quote=skinsguy;254952]This is just plain out stupid. Sorry, but I have to say it. Every time when our team plays to our strengths...which is RUNNING THE FREAKIN' ball, people whine and piss their diapers because our offense is playing too conservative. Yet, look at the games we have won this year and in the recent past...it's because we have RAN THE FOOTBALL MORE THAN WE HAVE PASSED! Gee....so if we win more when we run the football, it only makes sense to run the football. I guess people want Campbell to drop back on every play and pass it 40 yards down field. I'm sure it works on your computer games.[/quote]
Actually skinsguy no one was complaining about being too conservative, and no one said anything about campbell needing to throw more in the game. We all know that our strength is running the ball, and that it gives us the best chance to win. I'm pretty sure what everyone was whining and "pissing their diapers" about was the playcalling after our lead, as implied in the title of the thread. Check this article out.. [url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/12/03/AR2006120301174.html]Les Carpenter - Veering Off Track After a Running Start - washingtonpost.com[/url]

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[quote=Mattyk72;254915]Why does everyone want to focus on the offense when the bigger problem was the D getting gashed for 200+ yards on the ground??[/quote]
the problem, in my eyes, was the playcalling. betts was running all over atlanta, and for some reason, mr saunders wants to be super smart and keep passing the football. we could have dominated the time of possesion, and kepy our defense off the field, if we chose to keep running the football. and we definitely run better between the tackles, as opposed to the stupid sweeps saundrs keeps calling

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I wonder if he'll be calling all the plays next year.

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weeee!

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[quote=AlvinWalton'sNeckBrace;254773]you have to remember, that for the past two years, we could win games like that...get a lead, let the D and running game take over. Its hard to switch gears this late in the season when nothing is going your way. I'm not saying what happened was justified though, but perhaps if the D returns to form, it won't matter so much. Someone suggested blaming the D line, and I didn't see much of the second half...but what I did see is Wright/Rumph getting burned a lot, and giving way too big of cushions[/quote]
It was last year we won games like that not the year before we were 6/10 in 2004.

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[QUOTE=soccercycbk;255808]Actually skinsguy no one was complaining about being too conservative, and no one said anything about campbell needing to throw more in the game.[/QUOTE]

Actually soccercycbk, yes they have been complaining about the offense being too conservative, especially this last game. If you have been here as long as I have, you would know where I am coming from with this, but you'd rather go on attack mode instead of trying to look at things from other's point of view.

Don't call me out again.

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I can't remember the last game we lost with a 150+ rusher and 100+ receiver. That campbell turnover made the difference, I blame that on AL for calling 10 straight playactions, getting campbell in trouble.

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[quote=firstdown;256322]It was last year we won games like that not the year before we were 6/10 in 2004.[/quote]


My mistake, I remember our record in 2004...unfortunatly

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[quote=The Zimmermans;256673]I can't remember the last game we lost with a 150+ rusher and 100+ receiver. That campbell turnover made the difference, I blame that on AL for calling 10 straight playactions, getting campbell in trouble.[/quote]


That is a pretty bizzare stat, isn't it? To have both a rusher and a passer go over 100 Yds and still lose.

Anyway, minus the interception I thought Campbell played okay - not great, but he didn't stink it up either.

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[quote=skinsguy;256618]Actually soccercycbk, yes they have been complaining about the offense being too conservative, especially this last game. If you have been here as long as I have, you would know where I am coming from with this, but you'd rather go on attack mode instead of trying to look at things from other's point of view.

Don't call me out again.[/quote]
i'm sorry, i was under the impression that when you reply to a thread your response is related to the topic. I didn't know that you post your frustrations with Warpath in random threads.

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Ok, let's not make it personal here

Hey soccer, do us a favor and drop "fucking" from your sig. Thank you

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[quote=The Zimmermans;256673]I can't remember the last game we lost with a 150+ rusher and 100+ receiver. That campbell turnover made the difference, [B]I blame that on AL for calling 10 straight playactions, getting campbell in trouble[/B].[/quote]


Excellent point! You run to set up play action and every time we did it, the RB had a big hole up the middle. The run to PA ratio should be like 3:1 respectively. Stop trying to outsmart yourself AL!!!

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Was anyone else surprised when the Skins accepted the penalty with Atlanta on the 7 on second down? Instead of 3rd down at the 7 it was 2nd down at the 17. The scenarios for the following play run as follows:
Atl gains up to 6 yards: a FG vs. 3rd and goal from between the 11 and the ~20
Atl gains 7-9 yards: a TD vs. 3rd and goal from about the 9
Atl gains 10+ yards: a TD vs. 3rd and goal within the 7 or a TD (what actually happened)
I thought by taking the penalty we actually opened up their passing game, if they had tried to rush they wouldn't have netted the necessary yardage since everyone was near the goal line.
Did anyone else have that reaction during the game (or after)?

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[QUOTE=soccercycbk;256854]i'm sorry, i was under the impression that when you reply to a thread your response is related to the topic. I didn't know that you post your frustrations with Warpath in random threads.[/QUOTE]

I have no idea why you have this personal vandetta against me? Unless you're the guy who lost his girlfriend to me. Otherwise, I can only conclude that you're merely here to stir up trouble and to deter forum members away from discussing the Redskins in a clear, concise, and mature manner; as evident by your quoted post.

If you feel you must continue such a conversation with me, save everybody the trouble and PM me. Otherwise, back off and stop high-jacking the tread.

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[QUOTE=mike340;256866]Was anyone else surprised when the Skins accepted the penalty with Atlanta on the 7 on second down? [/QUOTE]

That was a tough call to make! I don't know if it showed a lack of confidence in the defense to stop Atlanta, or if they truly thought 2nd and 17 was too much for Atlanta to overcome. Obviously it wasn't. The only thing I can attribute to the call was that they felt 7 yards would be a piece of cake for Vick to pick up scrambling.

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With our D this year, you have to take the yards.

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That's true Matty, although I will say they were doing a pretty good job of stopping Atlanta early on and of course they looked like '04-'05 against Carolina. Who knows...if they had stopped Atlanta on 3rd and 7, it could've been big for us.