Campbell: More Pluses Than Negatives
 

Jason Campbell struggled through only his third start today. But I must say I think there are still more pluses than negatives with this kid.

The one interception that was ran back was just a mistake we'll chalk up to inexperience. But the raw talent and his pocket awarness is there. I think he'll go back and look at the film and maybe change a few throws that he let get away too. On a few occasions he avoided the rush to get the ball down the field or he tucked the ball and picked up a key first down.

I think all and all, there are many things Redskins fans can be concerned about going into the off season, but Jason Campbell certainly isn't one of them.

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I feel like Campbell gives us a chance to win. Brunell gives us a chance not to lose...

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that's true. He had a few rookie-esque mistakes today, but i don't think anyone here was expecting him to look like Peyton immediately. His field awareness needs to improve, like that annoying broadcaster was saying, there were times when the Falcons blitzed that Cooley was wide open and Campbell just didn't look his way.

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[quote=NYCSkin;254784]I feel like Campbell gives us a chance to win. Brunell gives us a chance not to lose...[/quote]Does that mean we are more suseptable to ties with MB at QB?

Wtf?

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JC's negatives came when Atlanta started blitzing...our blitz pickup recognition is a joke...every blitz was a jailbreak.

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you guys sure Campbell shouldnt go? I mean, looking at the titles of every other thread it seems to be the theme.

and yes Im joking.

We are better than we were two weeks ago, we have a new QB that improving, we should be happy.

we were never going to the playoffs this year...everyone got hope and now they think we should cut the whole team.

relax guys...

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He needs the rest of this season and a full off-season. He looks a little rusty but he'll be just fine. I just hope they don't go changing the offense on him.

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[quote=SKINSnCANES;254839]We are better than we were two weeks ago, we have a new QB that improving, we should be happy.

we were never going to the playoffs this year...everyone got hope and now they think we should cut the whole team.

relax guys...[/quote]Well we [I]were[/I] better than we were two weeks ago, then the first quarter ended and we are now worse off if anything.

I agree with you that people need to relax and that this is not really an issue. I disagree though when you say we are improving. I was most disturbed this year after we got beat by Minnesota. This is nothing compared to that feeling. But, IMO, we have only gotten worse since then.

I have no idea what the problem is on D. By all accounts, last week, they showed that they can still be dominant in this league. Through the first 3 possesions today, they confirmed that last week was not just a mirage. And then completely inexplicibly they descend back into defensive hell. There is no reasoning that accurately explains why for 5 quarters this year the D could be so damn good, and spend the rest of the year being horrible. If anyone figures it out, PLEASE tell me.

Here's why people should heed your message SKINSnCANES: When we went to Campbell and IRed Portis in the same week, it became obvious to me that we were trying to play for the future. So yeah, if we won this week we would have been in the thick of the playoff race...but it would have been for the 6th seed. Would the 6th seed gotten us to our ultimate goal? Not a chance. So in the grand scheme of things, we really aren't going to remember this game. I see us finishing up at 7-9, maybe 6-10 if the G-men beat us.

We know where we are going offensively, but where is this team headed on defense? Thats what needs to be answered these last 4 weeks.

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[QUOTE=celts32;254822]JC's negatives came when Atlanta started blitzing...our blitz pickup recognition is a joke...every blitz was a jailbreak.[/QUOTE]

I completely agree with this--jeeze, on almost every blitz they got to Campbell. The last INT he got hit, etc. Give the kid some help!

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And I agree Gtripp--the offense will come, I think. BUt the D is a big worry.

And, yeah: relax.

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[quote=JWsleep;254890]I completely agree with this--jeeze, on almost every blitz they got to Campbell. The last INT he got hit, etc. Give the kid some help![/quote]

We never should have given up the run game. Stupid, stupid, stupid.

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But you can't just run on third and long. You have to pick up the blitz. It's not a secrete that teams in the NFL blitz!

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We ran well, but the key offensively was the fact we couldn't get enough plays in the passing game. Sooner or later you need some of those key 3rd down conversions through the air, and it seemed like ATL got in JC's face on every critical passing situation. The pass protection today was very suspect.

Plus when your D gets gashed and you fall behind your hand gets forced a bit, and we had to pass more than they would have liked.

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I agree totally. If only we could have blocked somebody...................Damn!

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I thought Jason Campbell played okay, but he made the rookie mistakes that we should all be expecting. But, it's those mistakes that teaches ya not to make 'em in the future. I like Jason's arm! He'll be okay.

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Campbell definitely did make some mistakes today, however, that's because it was his third start. He's gonna have days like this. I was pissed about the pick down on the goal line. I think if he doesn't get hit, he makes that throw for the td. The problem on that play was Betts trying to pick up the wrong man. That's where this team misses Clinton Portis the most. Clinton would've eaten that guys lunch.

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CP does do a great job of picking up blitzes. Betts was out of position several times today.

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Its games like Jason had today which is why we all wanted him to start this season rather than giving him a fresh start next season. Gets some experiance and stupid plays out of the way. Jason played poorly for my book, but I have absolutley no problems with him at this point. He has played very well overall through three games. I still think we can let him air it out a little bit more off the playaction,especially when we are running so well.

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Another thing about Campbell is that he drops back too far. He needs to take 3-5 step drops and no more. He is taking about 7 step drops, no line can hold that up. Combine that with his windup, it is easy to get to him.

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[quote=hooskins;255022]Another thing about Campbell is that he drops back too far. He needs to take 3-5 step drops and no more. He is taking about 7 step drops, no line can hold that up. Combine that with his windup, it is easy to get to him.[/quote]
isn't the number of step drops pre-determined? i'm pretty sure that amount is part of the play but i could be wrong...

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[quote=soccercycbk;255044]isn't the number of step drops pre-determined? i'm pretty sure that amount is part of the play but i could be wrong...[/quote]
Then the playcalling should be adjusted because it seems like he is dropping back way to far right into the path of the DEs

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I dont think Jason has that many pluses right now. He has a cannon, but he doesn't have much accuracy, plus he does not get the ball off quick enough. Yes I know the O line didnt give him much protection, but there were multiple times that he should have released the ball earlier when he had the oppurtunity to. I'm not saying he's a bad quarterback, I just think he's young and inexpierinced; he should be good by next year.

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[quote=Gmanc711;254967]Its games like Jason had today which is why we all wanted him to start this season rather than giving him a fresh start next season. Gets some experiance and stupid plays out of the way. Jason played poorly for my book, but I have absolutley no problems with him at this point. He has played very well overall through three games. I still think we can let him air it out a little bit more off the playaction,especially when we are running so well.[/quote]Well said, but the fact that he can't complete a short pass worries me. You can't win if your QB isnt even completing 50%, something any guy can do.

In the long run, I think he will iron out that part of his game.

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I think the two biggest negatives you can take away from Campbell today are 1) He didn't adjust well to the blitz. But then you gotta ask yourself, how much is that his fault, and how much is that the Blockers and Rabach for not giving him some more help.

2) He didn't seem like he was going thru his progressions fully. It seemed like Moss and Cooley were his primary targets for most of the day, and he really had trouble completing passes to anybody besides Moss. Moss caught 7 of 9 passes thrown his way. The other receivers: Lloyd, Cooley, and Randle-El caught a total of 6 of 20 combined. Not very good.

I think Campbell was acceptable considering it was his 3rd start. It would have been a tall order for him to get them the W late, although he had several chances. But I think you can also say coaching held him back a bit.

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[quote=soccercycbk;255044]isn't the number of step drops pre-determined? i'm pretty sure that amount is part of the play but i could be wrong...[/quote]

Yes it is. It probably just looks like a further drop because he's so tall and has long legs.

Did anyone else notice his really low crouch under center? You can barely see his head behind the linemen and he's just about on one knee. Hey, if it works for him...let him do it. Maybe it keeps his hammys stretched for when he scrambles.

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[quote=BeastsoftheNFCeast;255105]I dont think Jason has that many pluses right now. He has a cannon, but he doesn't have much accuracy, plus he does not get the ball off quick enough. Yes I know the O line didnt give him much protection, but there were multiple times that he should have released the ball earlier when he had the oppurtunity to. I'm not saying he's a bad quarterback, I just think he's young and inexpierinced; he should be good by next year.[/quote]

No accuracy? Are you even watching? He's VERY accurate. A lot of his imcompletions have been drops by Lloyd, Sellers and Cooley...mostly Cooley.

You're right though, he WILL be good by next year...VERY good.

With some protection, Portis back and a defense that can get him on the field, he could lead the Skins to a lot of success. I hope he stays for a very long time...his whole career. We haven't had a permanent QB forever.

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[quote=Pudge;255239]But then you gotta ask yourself, how much is that his fault, and how much is that [B]the Blockers and Rabach[/B] for not giving him some more help.[/quote]LOL. I like how we've seperated Rabach from the people who actually block.

I think he's an adequate center, but far too often he's standing around after a play.

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[quote=Buster;255491]Yes it is. It probably just looks like a further drop because he's so tall and has long legs.

Did anyone else notice his really low crouch under center? You can barely see his head behind the linemen and he's just about on one knee. Hey, if it works for him...let him do it. Maybe it keeps his hammys stretched for when he scrambles.[/quote]

Post game he said he's doing that because he doesn't want CR to alter his snap that much, but it's something they'll work on together during the off season.

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[quote=Buster;255494]No accuracy? Are you even watching? He's VERY accurate. A lot of his imcompletions have been drops by Lloyd, Sellers and Cooley...mostly Cooley.

You're right though, he WILL be good by next year...VERY good.

With some protection, Portis back and a defense that can get him on the field, he could lead the Skins to a lot of success. I hope he stays for a very long time...his whole career. We haven't had a permanent QB forever.[/quote]I think you are right, but he's got to find a way to move the chains better on 3rd and medium/3rd and short. I'm not sure we can chalk that up to inexpierience. He misses short throws. That's troubling.

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[quote=Pudge;255239]I think the two biggest negatives you can take away from Campbell today are 1) He didn't adjust well to the blitz. But then you gotta ask yourself, how much is that his fault, and how much is that the Blockers and Rabach for not giving him some more help.

[B]2) He didn't seem like he was going thru his progressions fully. It seemed like Moss and Cooley were his primary targets for most of the day, and he really had trouble completing passes to anybody besides Moss. Moss caught 7 of 9 passes thrown his way. The other receivers: Lloyd, Cooley, and Randle-El caught a total of 6 of 20 combined. Not very good.[/B]

I think Campbell was acceptable considering it was his 3rd start. It would have been a tall order for him to get them the W late, although he had several chances. But I think you can also say coaching held him back a bit.[/quote]

Good post. Especially point number 2. I saw him doing some things that young QBs often do - staring down the receiver they intend to throw to. Far too often Campbell just focused in on Moss and failed to hold the safety in the center of the field with his eyes. He has to learn to look off the safety. It's the WR's job to beat the corner, it's the QB's job to beat the safety.

Consequently, because he was staring down receivers, he often didn't move to a 2nd or 3rd read on a play. He'd get fixated on Moss, and wouldn't even realize that Cooley was wide open on the other side of the field.

These are things young QBs often deal with, and are very coachable. That is, of course, if your coaches can focus on what's important and stop bickering back and forth over what the offensive philosophy should be.

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Yesterday, Atlanta timed their pressure well on Campbell. The blocking schemes didn't do a good job of picking up the blitzes, the plays called at the time were not effective and Campbell didn't handle the pressure well. In the two big plays for Atlanta, Campbell looked like a rookie. How many times has Campbell looked rattled this year? I would say, "Not many, 2-3 times". That's not bad for a rookie, better than expected. Did you see Jay Cutler last night or even Tony Romo, both had worse games than Campbell. Campbell has to go through the learning curve. He will be okay. The defense is the most worrysome. How can the defense be so impressive for almost a half and then completely implode in the second half. That run by Norwood was the highlight film of the 2006 Redskin defense. Bad angles and missed tackles is the hallmark of 2006 Redskin defense. Pathetic.

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[quote=hail_2_da_skins;255522]Bad angles and missed tackles is the hallmark of 2006 Redskin defense. Pathetic.[/quote]Very sad because the M.O. of our defense last year was that we were a great tackling team. What happened?

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[quote=SKINSnCANES;254839]you guys sure Campbell shouldnt go? I mean, looking at the titles of every other thread it seems to be the theme.

and yes Im joking.

We are better than we were two weeks ago, we have a new QB that improving, we should be happy.

we were never going to the playoffs this year...everyone got hope and now they think we should cut the whole team.

relax guys...[/quote]After the game you say he improved? Lower passer rating, more ints, missed open WRs, I'd say he took a step back. I do not expect him to be anything else at this point in his career but he needs to show us something in these next 4 games.

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[quote=hesscl34;254900]We never should have given up the run game. Stupid, stupid, stupid.[/quote]

We gave up on the run game??????????

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Don't tell me romo had a worse game than campbell, he beat the Giants at the meadowlands, and put together a game winning drive. Campbell couldnt get the ball into the endzone 4 straight times at the end of the game.

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[quote=SKINSnCANES;254839]you guys sure Campbell shouldnt go? I mean, looking at the titles of every other thread it seems to be the theme.

and yes Im joking.

We are better than we were two weeks ago, we have a new QB that improving, we should be happy.

we were never going to the playoffs this year...everyone got hope and now they think we should cut the whole team.

relax guys...[/quote]

campbell is our future now they need to get the pieces around him to work together ...
i,m just sick and tired of seeing this team win during the offseason i want to win in the regular season.
as far as campbell is concerned he will learn on the go as he goes thru the ups and downs,good and bad.....it,s all about the learning curve but he needs his supporting cast to set up and help him also..starting with the damn defense..200+yards on the ground is horrible and they ought to be embarrassed to be honest.
in closing i just want this team to stick with what they have and not change a thing during the offseason ,a few cuts won,t hurt either.
interior line on offense and defense is what needs to be improved..
run blocking aint the problem it,s when they go thru the pass protection and they send everybody .again given campbell time he will be fine it,s just the other that i,m worried about.