What type of offense do you like to see?
 

Okay, maybe to better understand others' point of view as to what they expect from our offense, I was wondering what type of offense do you like to see on the field? An explosive offense that scores quickly with bombs on every drive or hard nosed time consuming offenses that maybe not score alot of points, but muscles their way over the defense?

I think I tend to be in between. I think football is about toughness and not finesse so much. I like offenses who run the ball down the defense's throat and once the defense is on the ropes, you hit them with the knock out punch ---- big play action pass to your WR on a go pattern! I like offenses who can chew up 8 or 9 minutes of the clock. To be honest, I wouldn't mind us winning 3-0 in every ball game as long as we win.

So tell me about your favorite offense?

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I want an offense that tries to score on every drive. And dont say that every offense tries to score on every drive because I think thats crap. We try and milk the clock, hold onto the ball.

Yes, you need to run to control the clock, i agree, but you should make calls to try and score. I dotn car eif you are up by 28, you never know. The colts have the best offense, they can run or pass, but the point is they call plays to win. They dotn play any different with a lead, thats what i want. i want consistency

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I just get tired of people who say we need to get back to "smashmouth" football -- as if we're supposed to have a 50-to-10 run to pass ratio.

Even with the Hogs and John Riggins at their peak, Joe Gibbs' teams were not the pre-Bill Callahan Nebraska Cornhuskers.

Good offenses can run at will, and pass when they need to. Give Campbell more time to learn, and try to instill in this offensive line that yes, sometimes they will be called upon to pass block (which apparently, they find repugnant), and Saunders will have this team in chemistry.

And I don't care what the score is -- if we get the ball back with a minute or so before halftime, enough of the draw plays -- TRY TO SCORE.

I always admired the '99 Rams -- they could do it all.

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smashmouth football is the way to go, i like the offense we saw for the first 20 minutes of the falcons game. pound the hell outa them with the run then set up the pass. original skins ball baby!

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I love an exciting offense, but more importantly an unpredictable one. I wish we could come out each week and make the defenses clueless. Be able to smash a team in the mouth for 200+ rushing yards, yet the next game throw for 350+... it would be nice.

Mabye one day.... just mabye.

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beem, i dont think it should be 50-10 as you said, but definitly a little more on the run side. i mean our line is built for it, not that little triple reverse, halfback pass stuff. if we run the ball consistantly right at them and pick up yardage, one itl set up the pass, to the defense will eventually just give out.

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[quote=RobH4413;256841]I love an exciting offense, but more importantly an unpredictable one. I wish we could come out each week and make the defenses clueless. Be able to smash a team in the mouth for 200+ rushing yards, yet the next game throw for 350+... it would be nice.

Mabye one day.... just mabye.[/quote]

so basically a maddeon 07 offense?

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[quote=SKINSnCANES;256838]I want an offense that tries to score on every drive. And dont say that every offense tries to score on every drive because I think thats crap. We try and milk the clock, hold onto the ball.

Yes, you need to run to control the clock, i agree, but you should make calls to try and score. I dotn car eif you are up by 28, you never know. The colts have the best offense, they can run or pass, but the point is they call plays to win. They dotn play any different with a lead, thats what i want. i want consistency[/quote]
Exactly, I am glad I am not the only one who thinks like this. Just running the ball a million times just eats up clock, BUT it keeps teams in the game. I kinda admire how Al wanted to finish off the Falcons last game, but unfortunately the plays could not be executed.

As the great Herm once said "You play to win the game" lol. Period, you dont play to hold your lead and milk the clock like a little baby. You go all out and try to destroy teams.

Back in the day Gibbs offense did run alot, but they passed too, and they always finished off teams(see the scores of games from those season, most are like 40-10). That doesnt seem like a team that just runs all the time.

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one thing is for certain, we need an offense that averages over 21 points a game

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[quote=44_Riggins_44;256846]one thing is for certain, we need an offense that averages over 21 points a game[/quote]
amen.

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I would like to see an offense that can take what the defense gives. In addition I would like Saunders to change one of the rules he has for selecting plays. Instead of never reusing a play in 6(?) games. He should allow plays that have high probability of success to be run multiple times until the opposing team shows they can actually stop it. The Falcons have the worst run defense in the NFL. In our first two series we only called two passes. In both series our worst 3 rushes would have netted us a first down. When he started calling other stuff (passes and razzle-dazzle plays starting with the reverse in the third series) I had the feeling he was calling other types of plays because he didn't want to "overwork" that part of the playbook. So I want an offense that can exploit mismatches with the defense and that gains yardage consistently enough so that it can score (a lot of) points.

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pounding running game that wears down defenses and sets up play action passing deep

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Destructive run game-between the tackles more than not. Lots of running but it all sets up PA. Go for the throat. We should've stepped on Atlanta like we did the 49's last year ( no offense Rexi). Swarming defense like that of last years playoff run. Good defense WILL WIN YOU GAMES! PERIOD! Couple that with a potent offense that controls the clock and gashes defenses in both ways, air and ground.

Perfect.

08 maybe??


HTTR!!

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[quote=Beemnseven;256839]I just get tired of people who say we need to get back to "smashmouth" football -- as if we're supposed to have a 50-to-10 run to pass ratio.

Even with the Hogs and John Riggins at their peak, Joe Gibbs' teams were not the pre-Bill Callahan Nebraska Cornhuskers.

Good offenses can run at will, and pass when they need to. Give Campbell more time to learn, and try to instill in this offensive line that yes, sometimes they will be called upon to pass block (which apparently, they find repugnant), and Saunders will have this team in chemistry.

And I don't care what the score is -- if we get the ball back with a minute or so before halftime, enough of the draw plays -- TRY TO SCORE.

I always admired the '99 Rams -- they could do it all.[/quote]


This is a good point. I get so tired of all the Skins fans saying we must run to win. Run run run. I agree to a point. Sometimes teams will dare you to throw it by stacking the line. What if a team ( like Minnesota ) is tough against the run but weak against the pass? NE gave a blueprint on how to beat the Minn. defense. We sure did not try and throw on them at all. Are we just going to try and run, run and run some more??? Bottom line is we are not scoring enough TD's!!! Are we ever going to have an offense where we can spread teams out and throw? With the old Gibbs it was run first but you knew some deep passes were coming. New Gibbs? Sometimes I don't even know who this guy is anymore. I would like to see more passing. You pass to score and you run to win!

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More than anything, "smashmouth" is a mentality. It's tough guy football, it doesn't mean you can only run the ball, it's just the mentality of a tough team IMO.

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[quote=44_Riggins_44;256844]so basically a maddeon 07 offense?[/quote]
I guess I am playing a bit too much madden. On rookie mode. With a custom team. All created characters as myself. 99's in everything. And I'm the head coach. And I save all the replays, and watch them before I go to bed.

j/k... but i used to do that kind of stuff back in the day. good times.

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[QUOTE=hooskins;256845]
Back in the day Gibbs offense did run alot, but they passed too, and they always finished off teams(see the scores of games from those season, most are like 40-10). That doesnt seem like a team that just runs all the time.[/QUOTE]

Well, that's true to a certain point, but they did finish alot of teams off by being ball controlled. Alot of those blow outs came from them scoring early and often, but the difference is that those teams had continuity....the offensive line had been together for years! In my opinion, that is the key to a great offense...develop a solid offensive line that is together for more than three seasons.

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Actually Rob you're probably not too far off from what Al Saunders wanted to do with this offense. He wanted it to be unpredictable...hence the reason why he doesn't like to call the same play twice in on game...or heck in several games. It does make it hard for the other teams to prepare. The only problem is, our offense just wasn't to the point where it could execute every play he pulls out of his playbook. I believe the lesson to be learned is, we do have to establish an identity and this offense needs to learn what it can do best within Saunders' scheme. I think once that happens, then you can slowly work that sense of unpredictablity into the mix.

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[quote=skinsguy;256898]Actually Rob you're probably not too far off from what Al Saunders wanted to do with this offense. He wanted it to be unpredictable...hence the reason why he doesn't like to call the same play twice in on game...or heck in several games. It does make it hard for the other teams to prepare. The only problem is, our offense just wasn't to the point where it could execute every play he pulls out of his playbook. I believe the lesson to be learned is, we do have to establish an identity and this offense needs to learn what it can do best within Saunders' scheme. I think once that happens, then you can slowly work that since of unpredictablity into the mix.[/quote]

Yeah, I was talking to my Physics professor about the redskins today after class. He kept saying how the redskins of old would be ready for the team to try and adjust to them.

He went on to say that teams would come out and when something didn't work, they tried to switch strategies, but Gibbs was always prepared. It was almost like he could see the future and know what was coming. He argued that possibly Gibbs was getting old (I noted the complexity of modern offenses), but then he mentioned Dallas with man boobs finally starting to have some success.

Finally I ended it with comparing Gibbs to Vermeil, who had success with KC, with Saunders as his OC as well. We agreed on some hope there, and both think that not building through the draft was a mistake.

Hopefully we'll play our cards right for next season... I don't even remember the last Superbowl. :-(

I want to still be in school for the next one (2 more years)... Crossing my fingers.

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I love to see an offense that eats up clock and pounds away at the defense and totally has controll, if they want to pass they will pass, if the want to run they will run, reverse if needed, hell the QB could run to his own enzone tap the line and run back and still move the ball. thats the offense i like to see

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I like an offense that scores more points than the defense allows.

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I would like to see a mis-direction, power running, play-action type of offense. An offense that could pass, run and play-action out of the same formation, so that the deffense whould have to honor all three or we could catch them out of position. Basicly, do not let our formations give away what the offense wants to do. Also, I would like to see an offense that excutes near perfection.

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The most important thing is to tailor your offensive approach to the strengths of your personnel. Our O line is big and strong but not that fast, ergo they are built for smashmouth ball control football, or whatever you want to call it. We saw this year what happens when you try to implement a new offensive system without custom fitting it to the personel on the field - disaster.

This was the beef I always had with Spurrier. He wanted to see if his system worked in the NFL and didn't care if had the players to execute it or not. Same thing with Saunders. Bellicheck is obviously the gold standard of coaches. What have you seen in NE is an offense that has evolved from season to season, and even from week to week. SD is an example this year of a coach changing his approach based on his roster. There are a million other examples.

So what do I like to see? I agree with Spurrier. My favorite play is touchdown.

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I like to see an offense that is based on the run, but when they throw, they take shots down the football field. That's why I didn't like the crap that was going on with Brunell where every play was taking place within 8 yards of the line of scrimmage. I like watching highlights of the Skins running and then Rypien gunning down the field in 91. That's what they need. Teams at least have to respect the deep ball. Then, everything would be more effective. An offense has to be unpredictable now. It can't be "they know what's coming, they just can't stop it." That doesn't happen anymore. Teams are too good, too fast and do too much research. Offenses have to be unpredictable and that means having a balance.

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Sellers and Duckett in the backfield, Moss and Lloyd/ARE split wide. Duckett runs, Sellers blocks then Sellers runs and Duckett blocks. Safeties sneak in to support the run D. Wideouts go deep on post patterns and Campbell lets it fly.

Replace with Portis as you see fit once he's healthy and happy.

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One that scores points would be fine by me.

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give me an offense that runs the ball and hogs the time on the clock and wears defense down then once they strat ganging up on the run hit them deep.
smashmouth football...

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I want to run that good ole Gibbs offense! Meaning I want to pound the run game, and go deep with play action. I love Al Saunders and I think he's a great offensive coordinator, but Joe Gibbs is a Super Bowl championship(s) coordinator, which is totally different. I think Saunders has helped Gibbs with catching up to todays pass schemes, and for that I'm sure Gibbs is greatful. But now I think Joe Gibbs understands what defenses are doing and it's time to bring back his Super Bowl mind.

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I would like to see a combination of the Joe Gibbs power football offense and Al Saunders offense when he was in KC. I feel once the offense gets used to the nuances of Saunders system you will see it work. Both Gibbs and Saunders have a very balanced system, just look at the history of both.

I believe now that we have JC starting you will see the offense improve through the remainder of the games.

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[QUOTE=djnemo65;256930]The most important thing is to tailor your offensive approach to the strengths of your personnel. Our O line is big and strong but not that fast, ergo they are built for smashmouth ball control football, or whatever you want to call it.[/QUOTE]

I agree with you! I guess that is why we go back to the argument of player selection. It's not always the scheme, but you gotta have the right type of players to run the scheme, and it's won and lost in the trenches. It doesn't really matter how good your other guys are on offense...QB, WRs, RBs. If the offensive line isn't getting it, then the offense can't be successful. That is the main problem with the Cardinals. They have talent at the other positions, but no offensive line. At least for us, we do have a good offensive line that is built for smashmouth football. That is why, normally, we win when we run the football more than passing. So, in this instance, it's not necessarily the fact that Saunders' offense doesn't work in Washington, nor that the personnel - QB, RB, and WRs don't fit into the system, but that it requires more athletic offensive linemen up front.

I guess the whole moral to the story is, we need to upgrade our linemen if we want to open up the offense more. Maybe have our current linemen in on heavy jumbo.

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We need to stretch the defense more and spread out our offense, which would give betts more room to run. I've noticed that we are the only team in the NFL who doesn't spread out the opposing teams defense. We don't put our receivers out wide enough, enabling the opposing team to account for the run. I'd like to see better spacing from our offense, opening up bigger gaps, enabling big time home run runs from betts

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In a perfect world and that of the Skins of old. Nobody on the field didn't know they were gonna' see the Counter tre or some version of it, many times. Gibbs ran it mercilessly. The Hogs just blew you off the ball. He ran it until you commited your entire team to stopping it. Then JT, or Ryp delivered a laser guided dart 30 yards downfield to one of the streaking Smurfs driving a 6 point spear through the heart of your team. THAT is Redskin football

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[QUOTE=Hog1;257004]In a perfect world and that of the Skins of old. Nobody on the field didn't know they were gonna' see the Counter tre or some version of it, many times. Gibbs ran it mercilessly. The Hogs just blew you off the ball. He ran it until you commited your entire team to stopping it. Then JT, or Ryp delivered a laser guided dart 30 yards downfield to one of the streaking Smurfs driving a 6 point spear through the heart of your team. THAT is Redskin football[/QUOTE]

Aaahhh...brings back so many great memories!!!

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I like watching the Wishbone offense. 3 backs, some BIG backs, run the option, only pass on trick plays and playactions.
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Yeah I know...it doesn't work in the NFL.

(Or WILL it? Has it been tried?)


I guess I like it so much because I love using the rushing game...like the Redskins have traditionally done.



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I would like to see a balanced offense similar to KC's offense the last 5 years.

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Hey, I can dream, right? :)

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[quote=skinsguy;257017]Aaahhh...brings back so many great memories!!![/quote]

the power of some of those offenses was incredible. The D's were damn near as good. I always felt like 2 minute to go, 10 points down............no problem! Usually it wasn't. I have not had that confidence about the Skins since Joe1. I must say, young JC gives me some of that feeling..........or at least he will

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[QUOTE=skinsguy;256898]Actually Rob you're probably not too far off from what Al Saunders wanted to do with this offense. [B]He wanted it to be unpredictable...hence the reason why he doesn't like to call the same play twice in on game...or heck in several games. [/B]It does make it hard for the other teams to prepare. The only problem is, our offense just wasn't to the point where it could execute every play he pulls out of his playbook. I believe the lesson to be learned is, we do have to establish an identity and this offense needs to learn what it can do best within Saunders' scheme. I think once that happens, then you can slowly work that sense of unpredictablity into the mix.[/QUOTE]

Hey, come to think of it -- when was the last time you saw a flanker screen? With Philly sure to bring the blitzes, hopefully Al will be ready with some quick passes to get the ball out of Campbell's hands as quickly as possible.

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[quote=skinsguy;256833]Okay, maybe to better understand others' point of view as to what they expect from our offense, I was wondering what type of offense do you like to see on the field? An explosive offense that scores quickly with bombs on every drive or hard nosed time consuming offenses that maybe not score alot of points, but muscles their way over the defense?

I think I tend to be in between. I think football is about toughness and not finesse so much. I like offenses who run the ball down the defense's throat and once the defense is on the ropes, you hit them with the knock out punch ---- big play action pass to your WR on a go pattern! I like offenses who can chew up 8 or 9 minutes of the clock. To be honest, I wouldn't mind us winning 3-0 in every ball game as long as we win.

So tell me about your favorite offense?[/quote]I like offenses that have a rep as a throwing team, maybe 65% passing, but quietly have one of the most efficient running games in the NFL. So you have your back averaging 5.0+ YPC, getting all those big plays while its the passing game that moves the chains. I think that's the way to go in todays game.

As a coordinator, I could see myself doing the opposite of conventional logic as much as possible. I'd probably throw on most first down plays and run on 3rd and mediums. Anything to get that first down, and I wouldn't worry about being a goat in the media for a "questionable call" when I baffle defenses so often.

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[quote=Buster;257059]Hey, I can dream, right? :)

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