Betts better than Portis?
 

Betts pulled off 430 yards in 3 games.
Portis has never done that for us, in fact Portis' best 3 game streak this year was 274 yards.
In 05 was 353 yards.
In 04 was 388 yards.

Is Betts a better fit in this offense than Portis is?

Portis best receiving season was 236 yards for us, Betts already passed that with 315 yards right now with 3 games remaining.

(just for the record I do not beleive Betts is better at this point, but these numbers mean a lot.)

Re: Betts better than Portis?
 

Portis was never 100% this year and Betts has had the benefit of the OL playing much better than they did earlier in the year.

Betts is a nice backup to have though that's for sure. He's got a really good shot at cracking 1000 this year.

Re: Betts better than Portis?
 

They are different stle backs and it would not be fair to compare htem but i think Portis is better. Betts probaby should have broken so larger runs then he did today that I will argue Portis ould have made. Betts is still a greta 2nd tho.

Re: Betts better than Portis?
 

This is gonna be a common debate for the rest of the season because of the simple fact that Betts has been producing. Portis seemed unproductive when he played this year but I think the injuries played a big part in his role this season. If you look back to last year, Portis was the backbone of the team when they strung off the 6 wins in a row. I think there is no question that Portis is better than Betts. Betts has been getting some great blocking up front and I think it would be exciting to see Portis back there with those same holes opening up because he is more explosive, quicker and he can fight for the tough yards like Betts. I think putting Betts higher than Portis at this point is unfair to Portis and I think its the wrong move.

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[QUOTE=SkinsLove24/7;258308] Betts has been getting some great blocking up front and I think it would be exciting to see Portis back there with those same holes opening up because he is more explosive, quicker and he can fight for the tough yards like Betts. [/QUOTE]

Betts is more decisive, and doesn't dilly dally in the backfield like Portis did. The OL has only let up 15 sacks all season, so they played well in the beginning of the season too. Even if you disagree, Portis has NEVER had a 3 game stretch for the Skins like Betts has. This OL is the best we've seen since the Hogs.

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you can make numbers look like anything you want them to. has betts ever had a 1500 yard season? i think real fans look at some of betts good runs today and think of how portis would have gained alot more yardage

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[QUOTE=dmek25;258320]you can make numbers look like anything you want them to. has betts ever had a 1500 yard season? i think real fans look at some of betts good runs today and think of how portis would have gained alot more yardage[/QUOTE]

To some extent I disagree with that. Portis could have easily got stuffed behind or at the line of scrimmage due to his "dancing" nature. Betts just hits 4th gear going through the hole. Which is why I asked if he is a better fit for this offense.
Portis is spectacular, and should always be our guy, but the way Betts is playing is more like what Gibbs wanted out of Portis all along.

Re: Betts better than Portis?
 

I don't care who is better. I am just happy we have them both.

Re: Betts better than Portis?
 

Someone kill this thread. Haven't we talked about this enough?

Re: Betts better than Portis?
 

[QUOTE=skinsfan69;258333] Haven't we talked about this enough?[/QUOTE]

Nope.

Especially when Portis has never done for us what Betts just did.

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[quote=jsarno;258350]Nope.

Especially when Portis has never done for us what Betts just did.[/quote]

Wow, Ladell betts rushed for 171 yards and we lost, tell me exactly what he did. Pretty much everytime Clinton runs for 100 yards we win, and dont forget he almost single handidly ran us into the playoffs last year

Re: Betts better than Portis?
 

[quote=jsarno;258350]Nope.

Especially when Portis has never done for us what Betts just did.[/quote]

Typical knee jerk reactions. No one loves Betts more than I do. We can win with him as our starting RB. And if someone offers a boatload of draft picks I would trade CP. But how can you compare Betts to CP after three games?

Re: Betts better than Portis?
 

[QUOTE=GiantsSuck703;258354]Wow, Ladell betts rushed for 171 yards and we lost, tell me exactly what he did. Pretty much everytime Clinton runs for 100 yards we win, and dont forget he almost single handidly ran us into the playoffs last year[/QUOTE]

What kind of comment is that? You can't win without and entire team! We of all teams should know that. You especially can't win without a defense. Portis could run for 250 yards and lose because this defense of ours sucks.

ps. take Betts out of the equasion today and we would have lost big. He was by far our MVP today.

Re: Betts better than Portis?
 

Hey. We need them both! Both compliment each other quite nicely. I don't believe we need to get rid of anyone.

Re: Betts better than Portis?
 

[QUOTE=skinsfan69;258358]Typical knee jerk reactions. No one loves Betts more than I do. We can win with him as our starting RB. And if someone offers a boatload of draft picks I would trade CP. But how can you compare Betts to CP after three games?[/QUOTE]

It's fun :D

Besides, we've pretty much talked about everything there is to talk about over these past 14 weeks, why not something new?

Re: Betts better than Portis?
 

[QUOTE=skinsguy;258361]Hey. We need them both! Both compliment each other quite nicely. I don't believe we need to get rid of anyone.[/QUOTE]

I agree. Isn't it nice to have two competant running backs? A lot of teams wish they had what we have. As a combo tandem, we might just have the best in all of football.

Re: Betts better than Portis?
 

Be happy we signed him!

Re: Betts better than Portis?
 

[quote=jsarno;258350]Nope.

Especially when Portis has never done for us what Betts just did.[/quote]
its all about wins and losses. lets talk about those numbers when betts starts, as compared to when clinton starts. its not even close

Re: Betts better than Portis?
 

We've actually talked about this about 1 million times. However, I'll get into this thread...

Portis is a harder runner. Portis wasn't getting the holes that Betts is now getting. Yes, Betts is looking better than Portis did, however, Portis wasn't 100% and, like I said, he didn't get the same O Line play. Up until this season, Clinton has been far more durable. Betts is a guy who can has a history of injuries. He hasn't had much of a shot to carry the load because he hasn't been reliable very often. Also, how many tds did he score? None. How many does he have this year? 2. Portis has had way more than that this year. I don't wanna hear about TJ being a goal line back because he wasn't when Clinton was healthy. Clinton was the goal line back.

I'm so sick of talking about this.

Re: Betts better than Portis?
 

[QUOTE=dmek25;258374]its all about wins and losses. lets talk about those numbers when betts starts, as compared to when clinton starts. its not even close[/QUOTE]

Again, T-E-A-M.
This isn't tennis or golf.

ps- Portis 06 3-6, Betts 1-2. Even. (see how dumb that argument is now?)

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[QUOTE=jsarno;258366]I agree. Isn't it nice to have two competant running backs? A lot of teams wish they had what we have. As a combo tandem, we might just have the best in all of football.[/QUOTE]

Exactly! Reminds me of Earnest Byner and Ricky Ervins with Riggs coming in on short yardage. Kind of like what we have now.... Clinton Portis, Ladell Betts, and TJ Duckett.

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[QUOTE=jdlea;258381] Also, how many tds did he score? None. How many does he have this year? 2. Portis has had way more than that this year. I don't wanna hear about TJ being a goal line back because he wasn't when Clinton was healthy. Clinton was the goal line back. [/QUOTE]

Very good point. Betts does seem to have an issue finding the endzone.

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[QUOTE=skinsguy;258384]Exactly! Reminds me of Earnest Byner and Ricky Ervins with Riggs coming in on short yardage. Kind of like what we have now.... Clinton Portis, Ladell Betts, and TJ Duckett.[/QUOTE]

Do you think we'll resign Duckett for next season? I am already foaming at the mouth at that prospect.

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[QUOTE=jsarno;258388]Do you think we'll resign Duckett for next season? I am already foaming at the mouth at that prospect.[/QUOTE]

I don't know. I mean, I would feel better about it if we could see him being more successful on short yardage plays. I do think he has alot of potential though. I also want us to keep Rock Cartwright. But, if we have to get rid of one of them, I'd get rid of Duckett.

Re: Betts better than Portis?
 

I think the "either Portis or Betts" view is the wrong one. We keep them both and use them both as equally important. They both have their strengths and weaknesses. Portis has big play game changing ability, Betts does not. On the other hand, Betts displays a lot more patience in letting his blockers create holes, leading to more ypc on regular rushing downs, whereas Portis lacks that patience. Then again, Portis is a much better blocker and blitz picker upper than Betts is.

This is a great situation to be in next year, but I would like to see is them splitting the carries, rather than Portis getting the bulk of them. They should both get 16-20 carries per game each, rather than Portis getting 25 and Betts 10. We should view them both as starters.

Re: Betts better than Portis?
 

Portis is also 10 times the blocker Ladell Betts is. Portis tears guys up in the backfield. Betts, a lot of times, makes the wrong read and picks up the wrong man.

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I've been pretty impressed w/ the o line the last few weeks. They are really doing a great job of run blocking and Betts is doing a great job hitting the holes. One bright spot on a bad team. It's safe to say we were the more physical team today and our o line took it to them, but we got the L and thats what matters.

Re: Betts better than Portis?
 

betts still cant get in the endzone like portis can, but man its hard to argue against betts right now. it doesnt matter who is better because both are going to get lots of carries next year

Re: Betts better than Portis?
 

How stupid is this thread.

All I know is we have millions upon millions devoted to the one area of the field where we don't need help. Chalk up another one for the front office.

Re: Betts better than Portis?
 

[quote=jsarno;258350]Nope.

Especially when Portis has never done for us what Betts just did.[/quote]

Yeah its not like Portis had 1500 yds last year and 11 tds.I have said this before and i guess i have to say it again.Look at the carries guys and wake up.Portis never got more than 23 carries in one game this year.He was getting 14 to 17 carries a game.Betts has got 24,28 and now 33.Give Portis that many carries and you will see better numbers.

Re: Betts better than Portis?
 

[QUOTE=Smurf85;258424]Yeah its not like Portis had 1500 yds last year and 11 tds.I have said this before and i guess i have to say it again.Look at the carries guys and wake up.Portis never got more than 23 carries in one game this year.He was getting 14 to 17 carries a game.Betts has got 24,28 and now 33.Give Portis that many carries and you will see better numbers.[/QUOTE]

That's a really good point. I never even thought about it.

Re: Betts better than Portis?
 

[quote=dmek25;258374]its all about wins and losses. lets talk about those numbers when betts starts, as compared to when clinton starts. its not even close[/quote]

We've covered this already, but we the team hasn't even posted a winning record with Portis starting, so it's a pretty lame (IMO) way to make your argument.

Re: Betts better than Portis?
 

[quote=dmek25;258374]its all about wins and losses. lets talk about those numbers when betts starts, as compared to when clinton starts. its not even close[/quote]

That's what it comes down to. Plus, like others have said, Betts has had some nice blocking the last few games. The announcers even noted that anyone could have run through some of those holes today. Not to take away from Betts, but he has yet to put the team on his shoulders and carry them through a game (let alone 6 in a row like CP did last year).

Re: Betts better than Portis?
 

[quote=Smurf85;258424]Look at the carries guys and wake up.Portis never got more than 23 carries in one game this year.He was getting 14 to 17 carries a game.Betts has got 24,28 and now 33.Give Portis that many carries and you will see better numbers.[/quote]

Another questionable argument, since we know he was hurt pretty bad and Joe didn't want to kill him by over-using him. He was so beaten up that he ran out of gas entirely in the playoffs last year, so what does that tell you?

Betts is more of a pounder, Clinton's more of a slasher, I don't understand the problem here. It's pretty clear to me that we could have been using Betts as a workhorse and uncorking Clinton for a big play threat for a year now.

Re: Betts better than Portis?
 

[quote=jdlea;258381]We've actually talked about this about 1 million times. However, I'll get into this thread...

Portis is a harder runner. Portis wasn't getting the holes that Betts is now getting. Yes, Betts is looking better than Portis did, however, Portis wasn't 100% and, like I said, he didn't get the same O Line play. Up until this season, Clinton has been far more durable. Betts is a guy who can has a history of injuries. He hasn't had much of a shot to carry the load because he hasn't been reliable very often. Also, how many tds did he score? None. How many does he have this year? 2. Portis has had way more than that this year. I don't wanna hear about TJ being a goal line back because he wasn't when Clinton was healthy. Clinton was the goal line back.

I'm so sick of talking about this.[/quote]

Then stop talking *shrug*. I'm a monster CP fan, but you guys act like it's heresy to suggest that he could be more productive if we weren't so busy trying to ram him down everyone's throat to prove how "tough" he is. That's insanity, and a sure way to "Earl Campbellize" our marquee player.

PS, a lot of people were down on CP's rushing TD's in '04, too. I seem to recall a lot of playcalling that looked like this:

1-5 OPP 5: Portis OT no gain.
2-5 OPP 5: Portis OT no gain.
3-5 OPP 5: Portis OT no gain.
4-5 OPP 5: John Hall 23 yd FG is good.

Re: Betts better than Portis?
 

[quote=jsarno;258324]To some extent I disagree with that. Portis could have easily got stuffed behind or at the line of scrimmage due to his "dancing" nature. Betts just hits 4th gear going through the hole. Which is why I asked if he is a better fit for this offense.
Portis is spectacular, and should always be our guy, but the way Betts is playing is more like what Gibbs wanted out of Portis all along.[/quote]


You my friend, have jumped on the Ladell Betts bandwagon big time. Not that its not a good wagon but one wagon runs this town. That would be Clinton Portis' wagon.....Which I am on.....Not Leaving.

Re: Betts better than Portis?
 

I really don't see where it matters which one is better. I'm delighted we have them both on the team, and look foreward to good things from them both in the future.

Re: Betts better than Portis?
 

[QUOTE=Longtimefan;258442]I really don't see where it matters which one is better. I'm delighted we have them both on the team, and look foreward to good things from them both in the future.[/QUOTE]

i agree. we are going to use both a lot so i dont see the what the arguing is about. this is an awesome "problem" to have

Re: Betts better than Portis?
 

I have been thinking this for a while now... I noticed that Betts is a smarter runner than Portis, the only thing that Portis has that is better than Betts is his speed (which is important in this league). I love the patience that Betts runs with and the way he reads his blocks. When I see Betts make his move and get into the open-field, I think to myself "If that were Portis it would have been a TD". But at the same time Portis would have never been Patient enough to open up that run.

So yes if you ask me Betts is a better "Player" than Portis, but certainly not a better athlete. Don't get me wrong...I love Portis, but I also love the "underdog"...maybe thats why I'm a Redskins fan.

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[quote=GiantsSuck703;258354]Wow, Ladell betts rushed for 171 yards and we lost, tell me exactly what he did. Pretty much everytime Clinton runs for 100 yards we win, and dont forget he almost single handidly ran us into the playoffs last year[/quote] Ya , 171 yds ,,,, big deal ? So if Portis runs for 110 yds , 3.9 yd avg ,,, HE wins for us , If Betts gets near 200 it is the line doing it ? Guess the line likes blocking for Betts , and they let CP do it all by himself ? Maybe the question should be what have a dozen draft picks , Campbell , Brunell , Loyd , L. Coles , Cooley ,Duckett and the millions we paid for the others do for us ? We won those games last year because of our defence , our offence with CP could not find the endzone against Arizona and Oakland ,, lucky our D bailed us out vs Philly , maybe Portis played as # 21 and ran back the fumble for a td , not Taylor ?