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[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp07/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=2947420]ESPN - Clayton: NFC story lines heading into training camp - NFL[/url]

[URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=was"][B][COLOR=#000000]Washington Redskins[/COLOR][/B][/URL] -- Players have been raving about the development of quarterback [URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=7201"][COLOR=#000000]Jason Campbell[/COLOR][/URL]. He has had an excellent offseason, but outsiders have to see how he is developing as a starter. Campbell didn't have a great pocket presence in his first year, but he was in a tough spot. Now, this is his team and his time to prove his ability.

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yep, and that is the number one thing to watch in training camp this year.

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I wonder how long he spent figuring that out.

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I wonder how many of these guys browse Warpath then go and put their articles together?

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[quote=Mattyk72;332743]Campbell didn't have a great pocket presence in his first year, but he was in a tough spot. [/quote]

I completely disagree with this statement. It appeared to me that Campbell's pocket presence was above average, especially considering he had no prior NFL experience. One of his best attributes is that he's tough to bring down, and he's able to make plays with his legs when the pocket collapses.

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[quote=Southpaw;332770]I completely disagree with this statement. It appeared to me that Campbell's pocket presence was above average, especially considering he had no prior NFL experience. One of his best attributes is that he's tough to bring down, and he's able to make plays with his legs when the pocket collapses.[/quote]
Yeah, I thought he looked great too, with the exception of him throwing it away a couple of times in mid tackle.

Plus, the reports have been that he's not squatting as much as last season, so that's good news. He won't be putting so much pressure on his knees getting off the snap and might be a bit quicker.

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that is one thing that I was impressed with was JC's presence in the pocket. He looked good standing in, stepping up, and making plays with his legs. I think the only thing that can come into question is his ability coming in as a starter, to lead a team with playoff asperations, a lot of pressure out of the gate. he came in last year knowing he could make some mistakes. Plus the team wasn't really going anywhere last year. I will take some of bad stuff that he will eventually do during the year, but I just hope he offsets that with some amazing plays that win us games in the crunch.

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I'm sorta puzzled on the pocket presence comment myself. JC was cooler under fire than MB that's for sure.

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Seriously, in 7 games starting, JC showed more pocket presence than Ramsey ever had. (Yes - I went there)(BTW - I [I]liked[/I] Ramsey).

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[QUOTE=Southpaw;332770]I completely disagree with this statement. It appeared to me that Campbell's pocket presence was above average, especially considering he had no prior NFL experience. One of his best attributes is that he's tough to bring down, and he's able to make plays with his legs when the pocket collapses.[/QUOTE]

I totally agree with you. I read that statement was like "huh?". He looked hella comfortable in there to me.

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[QUOTE=JoeRedskin;332805]Seriously, in 7 games starting, JC showed more pocket presence than Ramsey ever had. (Yes - I went there)(BTW - I [I]liked[/I] Ramsey).[/QUOTE]

HAHA. That's exactly what I thought. I actually thought

"Huh? JC always looked real comfortable...well maybe I am just comparing him to Ramsey who has that Sixth Sense look in his eyes all the time. Nah he looked good to me."

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I agree w/all who disagree w/Clayton's statement about presence. Don't get that one, but then again clayton is a stat geek who tends to rely or fall back on #s rather than observation & evaluation of fundamentals.
He got one thing right, it's Campbell's team & that will be the story to watch.

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[quote=Mattyk72;332743][URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp07/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=2947420"]ESPN - Clayton: NFC story lines heading into training camp - NFL[/URL]

[URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=was"][B][COLOR=#000000]Washington Redskins[/COLOR][/B][/URL] -- Players have been raving about the development of quarterback [URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=7201"][COLOR=#000000]Jason Campbell[/COLOR][/URL]. He has had an excellent offseason, but outsiders have to see how he is developing as a starter. Campbell didn't have a great pocket presence in his first year, but he was in a tough spot. Now, this is his team and his time to prove his ability.[/quote]

Didn't have a good pocket presence? Did they miss NFL Replay against the Giants? That game wasn't an isolated example either. He has GREAT pocket presence. He's nearly impossible to bring down when under pressure too.

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Yeah, I thought that was a little weirdly stated too. Clayton is good typically so I gave him a pass on that.

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Yeah, Clayton missed the boat on that one. Just another example of one guy trying to cover and report accurate information on 32 teams.

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Clayton is usually pretty on point. If I get a chance this afternoon, I'll try to find out if he meant something else.

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[quote=SmootSmack;332849]Clayton is usually pretty on point. If I get a chance this afternoon, I'll try to find out if he meant something else.[/quote]

Tell him 12th said, hey....

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I have such a good feeling about our young Quarterback and I'm sure it's just complete homerism, but I tell you I think JC is going to absolutely break out this year! This whole manage the game stuff is great and all, but this kid has the potential to be an All Pro. His pocket presence is a major strength and as much as I like Clayton I usually get the feeling that he doesn't get a chance to see the Redskins all that often. Seems like he just looked at the stats and made an educated guess about what a young quarterback would generally need to work on kind of thing.

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Just imagine - if JC actually had a legitmate #2 reciever how much better he would look.

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[quote=Mattyk72;332743][URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp07/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=2947420"]ESPN - Clayton: NFC story lines heading into training camp - NFL[/URL]

[URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=was"][B][COLOR=#000000]Washington Redskins[/COLOR][/B][/URL] -- Players have been raving about the development of quarterback [URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=7201"][COLOR=#000000]Jason Campbell[/COLOR][/URL]. He has had an excellent offseason, but outsiders have to see how he is developing as a starter. Campbell didn't have a great pocket presence in his first year, but he was in a tough spot. Now, this is his team and his time to prove his ability.[/quote]




What else do you expect the players to say?:smashfrea

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i agree. none of this matters until the real deal, the games. but i do respect Clayton's opinions

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Compared to what else we have, I'll live with JC's "lack of pocket presence". Brunell practically tap dances back there and Collins just sucks.

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His pocket presence was fine. His huddle presence needs to be Theismannized by about 15%. Laid back is for surfers and potheads. He needs to get a little more vocal with certain receivers who looked lost and will remain nameless because you guys know who I mean anyway.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;332842]Yeah, I thought that was a little weirdly stated too. Clayton is good typically so I gave him a pass on that.[/quote]

Yeah he is pretty good with stuff like that. Maybe he looked at Campbell's completion percentage and assumed it correlated with pocket presence even though that makes no sense at all.

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pocket presence... hmmmmm... let's think about that. He's 6 4' and has to bend deep at the knee to even get a good snap and he runs a good mile back before he throws (long legs).... he's back there a while. Scrambles well, keeps his head up..looks long. Young, learning, being conservative.. waiting for the right play, feeling it out and finding his home in the pocket. All seems pretty normal to me for a young QB with a rocket for an arm. Blast them all (sports writers). JC is going to be GREAt as soon as he learns the system. Count on it.

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[quote=Giantone;332930]What else do you expect the players to say?:smashfrea[/quote]

nothing

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[quote=dblanch66;332934]Compared to what else we have, I'll live with JC's "lack of pocket presence". [B]Brunell practically tap dances back there and Collins just sucks[/B].[/quote]

They are the kings of suck. Collins may know the offense but that doesnt do you any good when you like to throw the ball to defensive lineman.

Todd Collins: nominated for douche-bag of the decade

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[quote=12thMan;332752]I wonder how many of these guys browse Warpath then go and put their articles together?[/quote]None. Thats called research. Research is for nerds and lesser wimps. Not for badass sportswriters.

Or so the legend goes.

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;332849]Clayton is usually pretty on point. If I get a chance this afternoon, I'll try to find out if he meant something else.[/QUOTE]

Want to trade jobs? I'll throw in my girlfriend too. ;)

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[QUOTE=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;333023]Want to trade jobs? I'll throw in my girlfriend too. ;)[/QUOTE]

It's not like me and Clayton are drinking buddies or anything like that. In fact, usually when I talk to him it's through another person who works on NFL programming.

That said, I never got a chance today to reach out to him

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Here's what to watch for at ESBM: Maybe one day they'll hire a sportswriter who actually knows something about football. The thing that kills me about this is during Campbell's FIRST training camp I heard rumblings that he was the best QB then. (Our QBs were Ramsey, Brunell, & Campbell in that order.) Knowing what we now know, this does not seem hard to believe. Unless, of course, you're just writing crap because you get paid to...