Gibbs called the final 4 plays...(No he didn't)
 

Sorry for the additional thread, merge if neccessary, but from the ESPN recap:
([url=http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=270923028]ESPN - Giants rally as defense holds Skins to 83 yards in second half - NFL Football Recap[/url])

[b]Gibbs said he called the final plays, taking over the job that usually belongs to assistant coach Al Saunders.

"We feel like either one of our backs are capable of being in there," Gibbs said. "And on that particular drive, it was Ladell who was in there."[/b]

Also, Jeremy Green's (Scouts Inc.) take which supports a lot of what the Warpathers have been saying tonight..
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The Washington Redskins took an early lead in this game, but this team has no "killer" instinct. Despite three Washington turnovers and plenty of opportunities, offensive coordinator Al Saunders refused to take the handcuffs off QB Jason Campbell. The Redskins never opened up the passing game until it was too late. Campbell showed great poise in the first half, but then in the second half, the Redskins had way too many third-and-long situations because they would not throw the ball on first and second down. When the Redskins needed to crank up the passing game late, it just was not there. Santana Moss and Antwaan Randle El were completely neutralized in this game. That's not just Campbell's fault, Saunders and the offensive coaches need to shoulder a big portion of the blame as well. This offensive is way too conservative. With three shots inside the 3-yard-line, Clinton Portis is on the bench and they only attempt one pass. Until they open up the offense and turn Campbell loose, the Redskins are going to be in close games every weekend.
-- Jeremy Green, Scouts Inc.[/b]

Discuss..

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[quote=Paintrain;356263]Sorry for the additional thread, merge if neccessary, but from the ESPN recap:
([URL="http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=270923028"]ESPN - Giants rally as defense holds Skins to 83 yards in second half - NFL Football Recap[/URL])

[B]Gibbs said he called the final plays, taking over the job that usually belongs to assistant coach Al Saunders.

"We feel like either one of our backs are capable of being in there," Gibbs said. "And on that particular drive, it was Ladell who was in there."[/B]

Also, Jeremy Green's (Scouts Inc.) take which supports a lot of what the Warpathers have been saying tonight..
[B]
The Washington Redskins took an early lead in this game, but this team has no "killer" instinct. Despite three Washington turnovers and plenty of opportunities, offensive coordinator Al Saunders refused to take the handcuffs off QB Jason Campbell. The Redskins never opened up the passing game until it was too late. Campbell showed great poise in the first half, but then in the second half, the Redskins had way too many third-and-long situations because they would not throw the ball on first and second down. When the Redskins needed to crank up the passing game late, it just was not there. Santana Moss and Antwaan Randle El were completely neutralized in this game. That's not just Campbell's fault, Saunders and the offensive coaches need to shoulder a big portion of the blame as well. This offensive is way too conservative. With three shots inside the 3-yard-line, Clinton Portis is on the bench and they only attempt one pass. [I]Until they open up the offense and turn Campbell loose, the Redskins are going to be in close games every weekend.[/I]
-- Jeremy Green, Scouts Inc.[/B]

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Plain and simple. Green couldn't have said it any better.

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Makes a lot of sense. In Gibbs 2.0, he's been almost obsessed with turnovers, to the point that our offense has been almost effectively neutered. I love Gibbs to death, but running Portis solely up the middle makes as much sense as offroading in a Ferrari. And they've been saying how much improvement Campbell has made, let's see them back that up and let the guy throw. I don't disagree with running the ball on first down in the 2nd half, we had a lead and you have to shorten the game at that point.

Oh, and I've heard Gibbs say this before, that Betts and Portis are interchangeable. Then why does one guy get paid so much more than the other guy? Maybe because he's better, perhaps? So why not go with the guy who cashes the big checks, there's probably a very good reason why he makes so much money.

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[quote=Paintrain;356263]Sorry for the additional thread, merge if neccessary, but from the ESPN recap:
([URL="http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=270923028"]ESPN - Giants rally as defense holds Skins to 83 yards in second half - NFL Football Recap[/URL])

[B]Gibbs said he called the final plays, taking over the job that usually belongs to assistant coach Al Saunders.[/B]

[B]"We feel like either one of our backs are capable of being in there," Gibbs said. "And on that particular drive, it was Ladell who was in there."[/B]

Also, Jeremy Green's (Scouts Inc.) take which supports a lot of what the Warpathers have been saying tonight..

[B]The Washington Redskins took an early lead in this game, but this team has no "killer" instinct. Despite three Washington turnovers and plenty of opportunities, offensive coordinator Al Saunders refused to take the handcuffs off QB Jason Campbell. The Redskins never opened up the passing game until it was too late. Campbell showed great poise in the first half, but then in the second half, the Redskins had way too many third-and-long situations because they would not throw the ball on first and second down. When the Redskins needed to crank up the passing game late, it just was not there. Santana Moss and Antwaan Randle El were completely neutralized in this game. That's not just Campbell's fault, Saunders and the offensive coaches need to shoulder a big portion of the blame as well. This offensive is way too conservative. With three shots inside the 3-yard-line, Clinton Portis is on the bench and they only attempt one pass. Until they open up the offense and turn Campbell loose, the Redskins are going to be in close games every weekend.[/B]
[B]-- Jeremy Green, Scouts Inc.[/B]

Discuss..[/quote]

Dude hit it right on the head. Gibbs needs to get the hell out of the way and let Al run it his way. I know this isn't the Al Sanders that ran the KC offense. I'm sick and tired of this conservative bullshit 1980's run it up the middle offense. Enough is enough.

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i knew it

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I pretty much agree with what Green said. This offense needs to open it up more, there's no reason why we shouldn't have been able to punch the ball in at the end. If Gibbs wanted to run the ball in, he should've used Sellers at least. Sellers is more of a short yardage back than Betts will ever be.

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For the love of all that's Redskins, it was fourth down with no time outs and just 30 seconds to come up with a play. We didn't exactly have loads of time to change out personnel and to call the perfect play.

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true but run Betts? 30 seconds is more than enough time to come up with a creative play.

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how about when the spiked the ball or the incomplete pass there was no time then to change out personell, Im not buying it

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[quote=skinsguy;356302]For the love of all that's Redskins, it was fourth down with no time outs and just 30 seconds to come up with a play. We didn't exactly have loads of time to change out personnel and to call the perfect play.[/quote]

it shouldn't have even come down to that.

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[quote=mooby;356318]true but run Betts? 30 seconds is more than enough time to come up with a creative play.[/quote]They definately rushed their playcalling when they didn't need to, BUT thats no excuse to run two running plays from the one and not score. Only the blockers and Betts himself can take the blame for that.

And no, it shouldn't have come down to that. However, it did, and the fact that it shouldn't have come down to that is not an excuse for poor execution.

Jeremy Green is completely wrong. I understand his point about Gibbs, and I know it wasn't pretty, but how can we "take the handcuffs" off Campbell? We threw 21 out of the 29 plays in the second half (spikes omitted)!! I know we were chasing, but Campbell DID NOT COMPLETE A PASS FOR POSITIVE YARDAGE IN THE SECOND HALF UNTIL WE WERE TRAILING. He had 4 incompletions, a scramble, and a -4 yard completion before he completed a pass for positive yardage in the second half.

Theres really no defense for J. Green's analysis. He obviously didn't do any and is clearly in the wrong.

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ummm why did you leave the following part out or not mention it
why not quote the whole thing


"Gibbs said he told Campbell the plays to run, indicating that Gibbs apparently had taken over the play-calling duties usually held by assistant coach Al Saunders. Later, Gibbs clarified his remarks, saying he was just reinforcing the plays called by Saunders to the young quarterback."

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100% right.

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A pretty good assessment. Way to conservative.

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[quote=Paintrain;356263]Sorry for the additional thread, merge if neccessary, but from the ESPN recap:
([URL="http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=270923028"]ESPN - Giants rally as defense holds Skins to 83 yards in second half - NFL Football Recap[/URL])

[B]Gibbs said he called the final plays, taking over the job that usually belongs to assistant coach Al Saunders.[/B]

[B]...[/B][/quote]Gibbs needs to let Saunders do his job in crunch time. I'm convinced that the offense looks like a Chinese fire drill in the last two minutes because there is input from too many people.

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No he simply reiterated the plays Saunders called. It says so in the article. But I agree about our two minute offense.

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[QUOTE=GTripp0012;356341]They definately rushed their playcalling when they didn't need to, BUT thats no excuse to run two running plays from the one and not score. Only the blockers and Betts himself can take the blame for that.

And no, it shouldn't have come down to that. However, it did, and the fact that it shouldn't have come down to that is not an excuse for poor execution.

Jeremy Green is completely wrong. I understand his point about Gibbs, and I know it wasn't pretty, but how can we "take the handcuffs" off Campbell? We threw 21 out of the 29 plays in the second half (spikes omitted)!! I know we were chasing, but Campbell DID NOT COMPLETE A PASS FOR POSITIVE YARDAGE IN THE SECOND HALF UNTIL WE WERE TRAILING. He had 4 incompletions, a scramble, and a -4 yard completion before he completed a pass for positive yardage in the second half.

Theres really no defense for J. Green's analysis. He obviously didn't do any and is clearly in the wrong.[/QUOTE]

Nice post GTripp. We don't always agree, but at least you think before you type.

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[QUOTE=GTripp0012;356341]They definately rushed their playcalling when they didn't need to, BUT thats no excuse to run two running plays from the one and not score. Only the blockers and Betts himself can take the blame for that.

And no, it shouldn't have come down to that. However, it did, and the fact that it shouldn't have come down to that is not an excuse for poor execution.

Jeremy Green is completely wrong. I understand his point about Gibbs, and I know it wasn't pretty, but how can we "take the handcuffs" off Campbell? We threw 21 out of the 29 plays in the second half (spikes omitted)!! I know we were chasing, but Campbell DID NOT COMPLETE A PASS FOR POSITIVE YARDAGE IN THE SECOND HALF UNTIL WE WERE TRAILING. He had 4 incompletions, a scramble, and a -4 yard completion before he completed a pass for positive yardage in the second half.

Theres really no defense for J. Green's analysis. He obviously didn't do any and is clearly in the wrong.[/QUOTE]
Now this is interesting actually. That number is compelling. Why is it though that the entire second hald felt like we simply were not trying to do anything on offense? Anyone have an answer for that. Anyone here in the second half actually feel like we were still running a balanced offense? I felt the entire second half like all we wanted to do was run the ball and take no chances. But it is hard to argue with 21 of 29

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[quote=FRPLG;356447]Now this is interesting actually. That number is compelling. Why is it though that the entire second hald felt like we simply were not trying to do anything on offense? Anyone have an answer for that. Anyone here in the second half actually feel like we were still running a balanced offense? I felt the entire second half like all we wanted to do was run the ball and take no chances. But it is hard to argue with 21 of 29[/quote]
They didn't start passing it a lot until they were losing, and then they totally abondoned the run. The Redskins had a big lead at half time and they just totally came out flat in the second half.

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We called plenty of pass plays....if you watched campbell closely, he was checking down every time...even though moss is uncoverable deep when he is given time. Maybe Campbell himself needs to let loose and have more confidence in himself...and get that killer instinct..he definitley proved that he has the tools.

It's not panic time yet....but the play calling at the end of the game was high school level. Campbell shouldbe been ready to run a QB sneak right after the completion to randle El....instead we SPIKED the ball....gave time for the giants to set...and ran to where they knew we were running twice with our backup tailback.

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Poor Execution, Poor Coaching. Plain and simple. Gibbs does need to let Al call the plays though. I'm really suprised we didn't see a QB sneak there, but we are just the guys/girls that pay thier salaries.....what do we matter?

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[quote=hagams;356524]Poor Execution, Poor Coaching. Plain and simple. Gibbs does need to let Al call the plays though. I'm really suprised we didn't see a QB sneak there, but we are just the guys/girls that pay thier salaries.....what do we matter?[/quote]


AGAIN Gibbs DID let Al call the plays.

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Saunders called the plays--this report is off.

And listen to Gibbs in his presser on this today. He said they got what they wanted, did what they wanted, but failed to execute. There was no confusion on the sideline, no panic. They got to the two with no TOs and had three plays to score. They tried a roll out pass to Sellers, and two runs over the left side where they liked the matchup (and where they scored in the first half). It's tough to sneak or to give the ball straight to Sellers without a lead block because the gints are in goal-line D stacking the line. And Sellers is a good lead blocker.

Maybe when Campbell is a bit farther along, he gets more control there and can audible to something or call his own number or whatnot. But right now those were good plays, IMO. They just didn't execute.

Could we have run other things there? Of course. And if those had not worked, we'd be bitching about that. I would have liked a rollout on 4th down, but I completely understand why they didn't. We were on the friggin TWO.

I do think they need to reevaluate the "Portis and Betts are interchangeable" thing, but that's the way they've practiced it and played it so far. From what Gibbs says, it's really Byner that has the big say there. Interesting. No doubt they'll be thinking about all this in the weeks to come. What they want is a Holmes/Johnson thing like Saunders had in KC, but I think CP is really better. Saunders has always loved Betts (and he did gain over 1000 last season), but CP is more clutch, IMO.

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I'm changing the thread title, but to what?

I'll let JWSleep decide

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It should have something from Wedding Crashers in the title...

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How about "Gibbs to Betts: I have a better idea. Why don't you trip short of the goal line? Make the Giants feel good about themselves? Think you can do that?"

or "Please Don't Take a Turn to Negative Town"

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I agree with that statement about close games. I guess since gibbs is more than likely not going to finish here, then I would say that he is going to be conservative in order to see if he gets a couple of lucky breaks that can get us some victories, but it is not a way I would like to see us play.

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my beef isn't with the playcalling during the last set of goalline downs - its with the playcalling in the 3rd quarter and early 4th quarter. To go 5 consecutive 3 and outs is inexcusable.

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[quote=skinsfan69;356273]Dude hit it right on the head. Gibbs needs to get the hell out of the way and let Al run it his way. I know this isn't the Al Sanders that ran the KC offense. I'm sick and tired of this conservative bullshit 1980's run it up the middle offense. Enough is enough.[/quote]

There's a time for power football and a time to open up the offense. Sunday was a day to open up the offense as the Giants secondary is not a good one. They are however pretty good at stopping the run.

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We should never have spiked the ball on first down. Also, we really rushed the 4th down play. There was plenty of time to calm down, let everyone take a few seconds to focus on the play and their assignment, then execute. Clock management was poor.

And I wouldn't be surprised one bit if Gibbs called those last three plays. Too many cooks in the kitchen...

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Not sure why people aren't getting this but they had to spike the ball in order to get the different personnel package in for the goal line. Spiking the ball was the least of our problems during that series.

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[quote=Mattyk72;357230]Not sure why people aren't getting this but they had to spike the ball in order to get the different personnel package in for the goal line. Spiking the ball was the least of our problems during that series.[/quote]

That makes sense. I was a tad inebriated by that point in the 4th quarter and I've been pretty much working non-stop the past few days. Didn't occur to me that was the case. But that's still no excuse for rushing that all-important 4th down play. We could have taken 10 seconds longer and maybe squeezed out that extra half-yard. Oh wel. Coulda woulda shoulda.

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I agree there was no need to rush the last play, but I think that's due to having a young QB in there.

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I have never liked the pick up of Al Saunders, it just never seemed like a good idea. Look at the divisions he coached in NFC west, and AFC west, they are mostly finesse divisions. The NFC east is more of a smashmouth division, Saunders seems to try to many gimmick plays rather than impose this offenses will on other teams. Its not like the talent isnt there, he just mis-uses it. I dont care if Gibbs called the last 4 plays, Saunders called all the others building up to it, he doesnt seem to mind putting his defense in a bind at all. I guess a big sign to not pick up Saunders was when his own team wouldnt give him an interview to be the head coach, if he was that talented of a coach he would have been retained in KC, plain and simple.

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[quote=GiantsSuck703;357297]I have never liked the pick up of Al Saunders, it just never seemed like a good idea. Look at the divisions he coached in NFC west, and AFC west, they are mostly finesse divisions. The NFC east is more of a smashmouth division, Saunders seems to try to many gimmick plays rather than impose this offenses will on other teams. Its not like the talent isnt there, he just mis-uses it. I dont care if Gibbs called the last 4 plays, Saunders called all the others building up to it, he doesnt seem to mind putting his defense in a bind at all. I guess a big sign to not pick up Saunders was when his own team wouldnt give him an interview to be the head coach, if he was that talented of a coach he would have been retained in KC, plain and simple.[/quote]
I myself do not think it was the play calling as much as JC not finding the open WR. I saw 7 to 8 plays where Moss, Cooley, and/or El were wide open and he did not throw the ball there way and thats what I saw while at the game. When I got home my neighbor said on TV it was clear that JC was starring down his WR's and that would account for the guys I saw wide open.

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[quote=firstdown;357305]I myself do not think it was the play calling as much as JC not finding the open WR. I saw 7 to 8 plays where Moss, Cooley, and/or El were wide open and he did not throw the ball there way and thats what I saw while at the game. When I got home my neighbor said on TV it was clear that JC was starring down his WR's and that would account for the guys I saw wide open.[/quote]

This could be true, but if your able to (tiVo) go back and look at the game, look how many calls on first down were wasted, gimmick plays and just stupid short screen passes.

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[quote=Mattyk72;357230]Not sure why people aren't getting this but they had to spike the ball in order to get the different personnel package in for the goal line. Spiking the ball was the least of our problems during that series.[/quote]
We had them on their heals and by spiking the ball we allowed them to bring in their goal line team which won the game for them. I know hine sight is 20/20 but if JC would have run up and did a QB sneak we would have scored and easy TD. If you have the game on film look at that play and the Giants only had a few men right on the line and everyone else was off the line making that an easy play. My seats were looking right down the goal line and I knew they where going to punch it in and he drops back and spikes the ball. Oh well !

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[quote=firstdown;357310]We had them on their heals and by spiking the ball we allowed them to bring in their goal line team which won the game for them. I know hine sight is 20/20 but if JC would have run up and did a QB sneak we would have scored and easy TD. If you have the game on film look at that play and the Giants only had a few men right on the line and everyone else was off the line making that an easy play. My seats were looking right down the goal line and I knew they where going to punch it in and he drops back and spikes the ball. Oh well ![/quote]

Very True

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[quote=Mattyk72;357230]Not sure why people aren't getting this but they had to spike the ball in order to get the different personnel package in for the goal line. Spiking the ball was the least of our problems during that series.[/quote]

But w/ a minute left there was plenty of time to call a play at the line. Throw a pass in the end zone. That way if we score then no need to bring in the jumbo package. If it's incomplete then bring in the jumbo casue the clock stops. Wasting a down with that much time was just silly. Don't you think?

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[quote=skinsfan69;357353]But w/ a minute left there was plenty of time to call a play at the line. Throw a pass in the end zone. That way if we score then no need to bring in the jumbo package. If it's incomplete then bring in the jumbo casue the clock stops. Wasting a down with that much time was just silly. Don't you think?[/quote]

Being a Monday morning QB is easy if all worked this thread would not exist and we would be sitting 3-0 then reality sets in.

With that said I do agree. After a quick strike, go at it again, no need on 1st to spike the ball with that much clock, try to hit the corner of the end zone to CC if he doesn't connect nothing lost. The defense more than likely would have been unprepared, then setup a jumbo package with plenty of time, and give the damn ball to BIG MIKE OR CP. LB GREAT asset but use the high percentage back at the goal line.