Kurt Warner to Miss Skins Game
 

For what it's worth.

[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3064614]ESPN - Warner believes he has ligament damage to elbow - NFL[/url]

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That was a painful injury to watch

Boldin should be back though

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If we think the Cards are going to roll over, we're kidding ourselves.

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Rattay threw 3 picks. Some more of that would be nice. As i recall, Rattay can run a little & throws well out of the pocket. They have great wr's so I won't be surprised if he makes some plays w/those guys, but our D should at least give them fits.

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[QUOTE=12thMan;364872]If we think the Cards are going to roll over, we're kidding ourselves.[/QUOTE]

Which is exactly why all this "I'm not afraid of New England" talk is a pit premature. One game at a time.

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[quote=freddyg12;364873]Rattay threw 3 picks. Some more of that would be nice. As i recall, Rattay can run a little & throws well out of the pocket. They have great wr's so I won't be surprised if he makes some plays w/those guys, but our D should at least give them fits.[/quote]


I just hope we don't come with a soft scheme against this guy. Truthfully, he's only going to be working with a handfull of plays because he just got there, this team has weapons at wideout. And they have a couple of guys who can get after the quarterback (see Bertrand Berry)

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[quote=12thMan;364872]If we think the Cards are going to roll over, we're kidding ourselves.[/quote]

I agree if for nothing else, it seems like opposing quarterback play has very little to do with whether or not the Redskins win or lose in any given week.

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im terrified of our offensive line right now... ffs.. Lorenzo Alexander was going to have to come in !?!! D-Line!>?.... i really hope Rabach and Wade are back at strength or else we could be in trouble..

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I'm not afraid of New England.

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I think we'll see more of Landry up around the line, and more cover-3, geared to stop James. We may actually give up more deep stuff this week, but we can't let them establish the run. If we stuff the run, then Rattay has to beat us. They've got some good WRs, no doubt. But I'll take my chances that Rattay won't come through.

Mixing up where those safeties are going on each play will be important, and, as always, our CBs will have to step up against the VERY physical WRs.

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Tim Rattay, isn't that Brandon Lloyd's boy? Maybe he'll perform the ultimate betrayal Sunday and go play with the Cards.

I hate to see any player get hurt, but not having Warner is a blessing for us right now because we can use all the help we can get. I've watched Warner twice this season and was impressed, I really didn't look foreward to having to go against him.

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Yeah just last week I was telling Gmanc that Warner was going to be a tough opponent. I feel a lot better with Rattay at the helm for the Cardinals. They'll still be tough though. I think this game we'll see a lot of Keenan and Ladell

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I think our chances are better against Rattay than Warner. I'm just concerned about our offensive line.

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Rattay is old, let's face it. I know a few people tossed around the idea of bringing him here last offseason, so he cant be viewed as being all THAT bad. He didnt play horrible against the Panthers, you could just tell he has only been there for so long.

But then again, Testaverde played pretty well and he's a dinosaur too.

I like Kurt Warner but I would much rather have him on the bench than not. We should do fine against Rattay and the Cards.

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Rattay's pretty good, but I feel good about playing him the week after he signs with the team.

We have a dominant pass D anyway, so I'm not sure if it matters who is at QB for the Cards. We need to make this a shootout so that one fluke play that may cost us 7 points can't change the game.

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I would go into this game with the intent to rest everybody who is nicked up (Portis, Moss, Washington, Daniels, etc.) We have the depth to do that and still win this game. I'm not saying this is a bye week, because the Cards are a good team this year, but I think we're good enough and deep enough to win without jeopardizing the health of our "playmakers". They need the rest. The O-Line....well not much we can do there but play who can play.

Tim Rattay is not a threat against our defense.

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Tim Rattay?

Puh-lease.

In back to back weeks we've shut down two of the top passing attacks in the entire league. There's no logical reason why we should be concerned with Tim Rattay.

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I think whether it's Warner or Rattay at the helm, or even Leinart for that matter, nobody on the Cardinals is the biggest threat to us at this point. After the first six weeks, I think we've shown that we are an excellent team, and the only way you're going to beat us is if we fail to cash in on opportunities and we just flat out beat ourselves.

I honestly think that only the Patriots and Colts are better than us at this point. For every other team in the league, I think we come out on top if we just hold on to the damn ball. I'm also assuming that we can get Wade and Rabach back in action.

From what I've seen so far, we're our own worst enemy. We have a chance to be an [U]excellent[/U] team if we just hang onto the ball.

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[quote=Schneed10;365092]I think whether it's Warner or Rattay at the helm, or even Leinart for that matter, nobody on the Cardinals is the biggest threat to us at this point. After the first six weeks, I think we've shown that we are an excellent team, and the only way you're going to beat us is if we fail to cash in on opportunities and we just flat out beat ourselves.

I honestly think that only the Patriots and Colts are better than us at this point. For every other team in the league, I think we come out on top if we just hold on to the damn ball. I'm also assuming that we can get Wade and Rabach back in action.

From what I've seen so far, we're our own worst enemy. We have a chance to be an [U]excellent[/U] team if we just hang onto the ball.[/quote]

Do you really believe that only the Colts and Pats are better than us? Our o-line is a complete mess and our wr's are a mess. We don't score enough points to be an elite team right now. Even Clev. is scoring more points than we are.

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The Cards' pass game are going to struggle against our defense.

I think we will probably win this game big, and the offense will look like they did in the Lions game, but be careful, this team is not completely void of talent. I think Edge will have a big day against us, maybe 100 yards and one TD. Won't be enough though if we score a lot of points and deny the pass.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;364893]I'm not afraid of New England.[/quote]
Im not afraid either - im terrified.

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The Skins can't take any team for granted. We are too nicked up, and dinged up, both physically and mentally. Hang on to the ball, make good decisions, let your defense play tough and win ugly. THEN get healthy, because the Patriots will kill us if we are not ready.

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[quote=skinsfan69;365096]Do you really believe that only the Colts and Pats are better than us? Our o-line is a complete mess and our wr's are a mess. We don't score enough points to be an elite team right now. Even Clev. is scoring more points than we are.[/quote]I think Jacksonville and Pittsburgh are better than us right now also.

But look at the NFC. The Bears are terrible, Minnesota is incredibly unbalanced, the 49ers have underachieved, the Seahawks have underachieved, we already beat Philadelphia pretty good this year. We just dominated the Packers offense and clearly outplayed them on the other side of the ball. They are widely regarded as the second best team in the conference, and we just went in and made them look awful.

Dallas, who is widely regarded as the best team in the NFC, looked terrible in Buffalo two weeks ago and got embarrassed on their home turf this week by a clearly better team.

The only team in the NFC that can say they are better than us right now has to be the New York Giants, who beat us pretty good at home. Even with them, at the end of the year, do you really think they will be playing better than us? I don't think they will They are right now...but so?

[B]Nobody can defend our passing game right now and nobody can move the ball on us.[/B] Yes, we still have to get some kinks in the offense ironed out before we are an elite team, but I have been pleasantly surprised this year. I didn't think going in that our defense would be absolutely shut down and I didn't think our passing game would make some of the league's better pass D's look irrelivant out there.

Despite some tough losses, how can one not be encouraged? I'd rank us 6th in the league right now based on what I've seen.

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Honestly this game scares me. Rattay is not that bad. I remember he came in last year for TB and he went off on somebody. He's going to get a full week of practice and Boldin is going to be on the filed this week. We better not overlook this team!

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Rattay scares people??

C'mon now.

Let's stop being ridiculous.

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[quote=skinsfan69;365105]Honestly this game scares me. Rattay is not that bad. I remember he came in last year for TB and he went off on somebody. He's going to get a full week of practice and Boldin is going to be on the filed this week. We better not overlook this team![/quote]He actually went off on the Bears...he's good.

Arizona is a good team, and should not be overlooked. With that said, they are going to struggle throwing against our defense, and let me assure you right here the offense is going to have a heck of a game through the air. Adrian Wilson is a player, but he doesn't have very impressive range. Their secondary is pretty iffy overall. Good front seven, another hard day for CP and Betts, but Campbell gets it done again.

28-13 Redskins.

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I'm sorry but Rattay is not good, unless you define good as journeyman backup QB. He's not even in the same class as someone like Kitna.

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Of course he's good, he's in the NFL...

However, he is not scary after our D has handled Green, McNabb, Manning, Kitna, and Favre thus far.

Gimme a break.

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[quote=Mattyk72;365106]Rattay scares people??

C'mon now.

Let's stop being ridiculous.[/quote]

He's got a scary 80.3 lifetime rating and is on his third team in three years... That's how legends are made.

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[quote=Mattyk72;365113]I'm sorry but Rattay is not good, unless you define good as journeyman backup QB. He's not even in the same class as someone like Kitna.[/quote]Okay, we get it. No team is, or has ever been wrong on any player. Every GM knows everything about football, and there's no point to dispute any player they might be wrong on, even when their's strong evidence they are.

All this guy has done is played pretty good football whenever given the chance. Considering the amount of bad QBs (like Joey Harrington) who keep getting their chances, I'd say this is a pretty important issue.

Why is not getting an oppertunity always a black mark against a guy?

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[quote=Southpaw;365120]He's got a scary 80.3 lifetime rating and is on his third team in three years... That's how legends are made.[/quote]80.3 is good. That's better than Campbell thus far. And he's probably even better than his passer rating but I'd have to look at it and see how it broke down.

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I'm sorry, but we should rattle Ratay pretty easily. He had three picks last week, and I think we should do a good job at keeping him off balance all day.

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[quote=GTripp0012;365123]Okay, we get it. No team is, or has ever been wrong on any player. Every GM knows everything about football, and there's no point to dispute any player they might be wrong on, even when their's strong evidence they are.

All this guy has done is played pretty good football whenever given the chance. Considering the amount of bad QBs (like Joey Harrington) who keep getting their chances, I'd say this is a pretty important issue.

Why is not getting an oppertunity always a black mark against a guy?[/quote]

So I guess he's getting the Patrick Ramsey treatment??

At this point in Rattay's career if he was such a hidden gem I find it hard to believe that nobody would have picked up on it.

He is what he is. A career backup who's had some decent games here and there (but so has a guy like Joey Harrington), but he's certainly nothing to write home about especially in the circumstance that he's in right now being forced into starting duty after a week with the team.

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I think the real question here is is Rattay capable of having a break out game? Of course, he is. But looking at it his overall career to this point, it's unlikely and would be downright surprising.

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I think Rattay is decent, and that is why he has been in the league for a while (backup, or not). I always thought he was going to do well for the Bucs after he left San Fran. I guess I was wrong.

I do believe he can beat us (any given Sunday, blah, blah, blah), but the odds are so low it's not even worth considering. It takes a while to pickup a new offense, and Rattay was signed last week. The way our defense has played against much better QBs (and better offenses overall), I am not worried about beating the Cardinals.

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[quote=GTripp0012;365127]80.3 is good. That's better than Campbell thus far. And he's probably even better than his passer rating but I'd have to look at it and see how it broke down.[/quote]

An 80.3 rating funny enough puts a QB in the Joey Harrington range, which would be the 21st ranked QB in the league.

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[quote=Mattyk72;365132]So I guess he's getting the Patrick Ramsey treatment??

At this point in Rattay's career if he was such a hidden gem I find it hard to believe that nobody would have picked up on it.

He is what he is. A career backup who's had some decent games here and there (but so has a guy like Joey Harrington), but he's certainly nothing to write home about especially in the circumstance that he's in right now being forced into starting duty after a week with the team.[/quote]But it looks like Arizona DID pick up on it, to turn your own arugment against you.

Why is this the [I]Ramsey [/I]treatment? Ramsey wasn't the only player to ever get the short end of the stick, in fact I thought he got a relatively decent shot to show improvement here.

It's my hope that with a top 5 passing defense we can shut the Cards down, and should logically be able to.

But this year we've played a 38 year old Trent Green, McNabb, Eli, Kitna, and a 38 year old Favre.

Rattay is certainly better than elderly Green and Kitna, and based on what McNabb has done this year...him too. The only QB we struggled with was Eli, so Rattay's probably not good enough to toss 350 and 6 TD's on us, but its a good signing by Arizona, and it is another challenge for us.

We have shut down good QBs this year, but this arugment that we should have [B]no problem[/B] [B]whatsoever[/B] this week is a little bit blind faith and very much uninformed. At the end of the day, we are still 4th in total defense, but are you expecting this to be a season in which we set many defensive records. Eli showed that we could be had by a QB who was not elite...so I would ask us not to get too overconfident, even if there is good reason to feel safe.

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[quote=Mattyk72;365086]Tim Rattay?

Puh-lease.

In back to back weeks we've shut down two of the top passing attacks in the entire league. There's no logical reason why we should be concerned with Tim Rattay.[/quote]

Exactly. We aren't losing games because of our defense.

Adrian Wilson and Roderick Hood are who we need to be nervous about, no one their offense though. Sure Edge is having a great year and their WRs are pretty good, but nothing our boys on D can't shut down completely. :)

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[quote=GTripp0012;365127]80.3 is good. That's better than Campbell thus far. And he's probably even better than his passer rating but I'd have to look at it and see how it broke down.[/quote]

80.3 is solid, but I wouldn't call it good. If he were a starter at this point in the season, he'd be the 19th-20th rated passer. And I'm not saying that he completely sucks, but being thrown into the mix with a week to build some kind of chemistry with the receivers AND prepare for the Redskins defense should definitely be considered, Advantage: Redskins.

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[quote=Mattyk72;365135]An 80.3 rating funny enough puts a QB in the Joey Harrington range, which would be the 21st ranked QB in the league.[/quote]Um, no.

Joey Harrington has a career rating of 69.1. His rating this year is 80.3, but thats over 6 games and you can't just use that number as if its [I]classic[/I] Joey Harrington. Classic Harrington is 69.1, way worse than 80.3.

It's also a very pass happy year for quarterbacks, so 80.1 this year is not as good as 80.1 career is. So that may rank 21st in the league, but chances are that given 6 games, Rattay would likely be between 85-90 in QB rating based on in-year adjustments.

Which, again is good. Not great, good.