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1. I hate to think about this but I wonder if anyone in the Redskin organization HAS ACTUALLY ASKED THE NFL to move the game. Every time Gibbs or Snyder gets asked they say something like "well Im not sure that can be done or Ive been focused on the bills . . ." Fine understood. Youre telling me there isnt someone else that can do it? I would love for the Skins to release a statement saying WE ASKED THE NFL TO MOVE THE GAME AND THEY SAID NO. I know there are other coaches that would INSIST the game get moved, go public, make their case . . .Im not asking for that (althoughI would like it. I just want someone to ask!


2. Gibbs is a pushover, hes so distant, comes across as so disinterested. Did you hear him talking about the 10 man tribute to Sean in the press conference. HE DIDNT EVEN KNOW ABOUT IT!!!. He commented something to the effect, "I cant comment on that until I talk to Gregg" What the hell is up with that? How can there be so poor communication between coaches that a move like that is not passed by him?

Dont get me started with the timeout thing. "I asked the ref if I could do it and what he said seemed like a yes but I take full resposibility" He sounds like a little kid who is trying to take the blame but wants us to know that other kids were involved. He has to be losing respect among some playes and based on the fact the 10 man tribute wasnt even cleared with him prior to doing it . . .from his coaches as well.

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i 100 percent agree, i knew about the 10 man tribute on thursday. We were discussing it on here. How did we all know and Coach Joe not.

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For what it's worth, I've heard that it's not that Gibbs was not aware they were thinking of doing it. He just never actually gave the final ok for it. But, at the same time, he does give Williams total autonomy on defense.

I don't believe for one minute any of the players or coaches worth a damn have quit. The fans? Sure plenty of them have, but I lost what little respect I had left for most Redskins fans today during the moment of silence. So who cares about them

Don't we have basically this exact same thread elsewhere?

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yeah i was there and i heard all the people yelling during there moment of silence, kinda messed up

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In my book they are now tied with Eagles fans as worst in all of sports.

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Given what this organization has been through this past week, I can practically excuse most anything they have done that wasn't "normal."

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[quote=SmootSmack;387839]For what it's worth, I've heard that it's not that Gibbs was not aware they were thinking of doing it. He just never actually gave the final ok for it. But, at the same time, he does give Williams total autonomy on defense.

I don't believe for one minute any of the players or coaches worth a damn have quit. The fans? Sure plenty of them have, but I lost what little respect I had left for most Redskins fans today during the moment of silence. So who cares about them

Don't we have basically this exact same thread elsewhere?[/quote]Don't lump everyone at the stadium as ignorant during the moment of silence. I wasn't there, but it sounded on TV as if a single voice shouted "we love you Sean" and there was a brief cheer. It certainly didn't sound like the entire stadium ignored the request for silence.

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[QUOTE=SouperMeister;387846]Don't lump everyone at the stadium as ignorant during the moment of silence. [B]I wasn't there, but it sounded on TV as if a single voice shouted "we love you Sean" and there was a brief cheer[/B]. It certainly didn't sound like the entire stadium ignored the request for silence.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, we weren'y there either but my wife said she heard the exact same thing on TV. Hopefully the majority displayed respect during the moment of silence.

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can anybody shed light on us asking the NFL to move the game?

FWIW, I agree, FROM MY LIVINGROOM it certainly didnt come across as disrespect, simply a fan yelling we love you Sean

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I just can't find any excuse for anyone to be chanting anything during a moment of silence. Call it stubborn and thick-headed, I just don't see it.

Of course, they had no problem hooting and hollering while the players were in the red zone...and then being silent when the Bills were on offense most of the game. This is what I heard at least.

And then today, of all days, to be booing the coaches and players. Give it a fucking rest you morons.

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[QUOTE=jrtmolar;387851]can anybody shed light on us asking the NFL to move the game?

FWIW, I agree, FROM MY LIVINGROOM it certainly didnt come across as disrespect, simply a fan yelling we love you Sean[/QUOTE]

I could have sworn I read/heard somewhere that we decided not to ask. This was on Friday I think

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;387852]I just can't find any excuse for anyone to be chanting anything during a moment of silence. Call it stubborn and thick-headed, I just don't see it.

Of course, they had no problem hooting and hollering while the players were in the red zone...and then being silent when the Bills were on offense most of the game. This is what I heard at least.

[B]And then today, of all days, to be booing the coaches and players[/B]. Give it a fucking rest you morons.[/QUOTE]

Seriously, did they really?? If so, and you were there to actually hear that, well, that really blows. I don't care what the coaches and players did wrong today, they all get a pass from me considering what they've endured.

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;387853]I could have sworn I read/heard somewhere that we decided not to ask. This was on Friday I think[/QUOTE]

I'm too emotionally exhausted to verify, but I believe I read that also in Redskin's Insider last Friday.

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[quote=Dlyne8r;387858]Seriously, did they really?? If so, and you were there to actually hear that, well, that really blows. I don't care what the coaches and players did wrong today, they all get a pass from me considering what they've endured.[/quote]

I REALLY doubt they were booing the players. I definitely know they were booing Gibbs for that bogus timeout at the end. But I think 99% of fans are very sensitive to everything that has happened and its probably best to ask people who went to the game what the booing was all about.

I really really hope it wasn't at the players. I'd like to think that we as fans have more sense than that.

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[QUOTE=DynamiteRave;387867]I REALLY doubt they were booing the players. I definitely know they were booing Gibbs for that bogus timeout at the end. But I think 99% of fans are very sensitive to everything that has happened and its probably best to ask people who went to the game what the booing was all about.

I really really hope it wasn't at the players. I'd like to think that we as fans have more sense than that.[/QUOTE]

A couple of people that I know were at the game told me they heard players getting booed as the game was ending/over. "You suck Campbell" "F You Laron" Things of that nature

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how can you not ask? Its not like we are asking for an extra few days cause the entire team went binge drinking and are hungover. Our best player was murdered, the entire team is flying down to pay respects and that leaves us ONE normal practice day to prepare for a NFL game with major playoof implications


Squeaky wheel get the . . . . . never mind

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;387873]A couple of people that I know were at the game told me they heard players getting booed as the game was ending/over. "You suck Campbell" "F You Laron" Things of that nature[/QUOTE]

Embarrasing. Hope they get their ticket rights revoked if identified.

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[QUOTE=SouperMeister;387846]Don't lump everyone at the stadium as ignorant during the moment of silence. I wasn't there, but it sounded on TV as if a single voice shouted "we love you Sean" and there was a brief cheer. It certainly didn't sound like the entire stadium ignored the request for silence.[/QUOTE]

In this day and age of big money football it is hard for the true fan to be there. The cost big time to take a family to a baseball game much less a NFL game. It's just not in the cards for most. That being said i think you now get a lot of uninformed people that just wanted to be seen or be at big time events. Sorry but that is the way it is with scalpers and corporations buying up most the tickets. These for the most part are not true fans.

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;387844]In my book they are now tied with Eagles fans as worst in all of sports.[/QUOTE]

Ouch!!!!we all know philly fans are the worst..i.e. cheering a broken neck micheal irvin..but that is flat out wrong...i hate to say it but you guys are right about Gibbs..as long as he's there we have nothing.he miss uses timeouts..not aggressive when needed such as the 4th and 1 vs the cowboys when we have momentum..and going for it on forth down instead of the field goal vs tampa bay..even a 10 year old playing madden can manage a game better..Gibbs aint the way he used to be..he's too care free..and we need intensity..vote Cowher for 08'

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i didnt watch or listen to any post game yesterday, so i am finding out for the first time that gibbs said he didnt know about the missing man tribute. this disgusts me. we must transition to a gregg williams head coached team now, in hopes of a great season next year. i think gibbs handled the press, fans and team great this week, something he can continue to do as redskins president for the remainder of his contract, a title that he currently has.

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[quote=Dlyne8r;387847]Yeah, we weren'y there either but my wife said she heard the exact same thing on TV. Hopefully the majority displayed respect during the moment of silence.[/quote]

And you know what's sad? The COWBOYS moment of silence was ABSOLUTELY quiet. Not a single person in that stadium spoke.

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;387873]A couple of people that I know were at the game told me they heard players getting booed as the game was ending/over. "You suck Campbell" "F You Laron" Things of that nature[/QUOTE]

:doh:

Where the hell is this organization and city heading...

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alot of fans by my count showed alot of disrespect from what i heard..
i,m begining to wonder myself where this organization is headed now...
joe gibbs ..i love ya man but what were ya thinking there at the end...
and thanks again to the prevent defense it came through again in the clutch..

for the skins in general you had a hard week and i comend you all for toughing it out ..

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I missed the moment of silence that game but i can't believe that the washington fans were being derespectful. To be booing the players after going out and giving it there all is completely wrong especially after such a tough week. I did watch the Green Bay-Dallas game and i was actually surprised on how quiet it was, i'm glad the fans in Texas Stadium showed the respect they did because Sean Taylor deserves it....

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Also to mention about the game being moved. I seen the question asked to Lovie Smith and he said that the bears would have no problem with that. To me that shows class and that the Skins want to go ahead and play the game.

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[quote=prinzeofmoval;387934]Ouch!!!!we all know philly fans are the worst..i.e. cheering a broken neck micheal irvin..but that is flat out wrong...i hate to say it but you guys are right about Gibbs..as long as he's there we have nothing.he miss uses timeouts..not aggressive when needed such as the [B]4th and 1 vs the cowboys[/B] when we have momentum..[B]and going for it on forth down instead[/B] of the field goal vs tampa bay..even a 10 year old playing madden can manage a game better..Gibbs aint the way he used to be..he's too care free..and we need intensity..vote Cowher for 08'[/quote]

Ok, what your saying is all in hindsight and could have gone either way which makes these points irrelevent. He didnt go for it on 4th and 1 against the cowboys but if he failed he would be taking even more heat. Did we not have momentum in tampa bay, they had something like 30 total yards in the 2nd half. He took a gamble that you say he should have taken in one position and not in another? Contradict yourself more when making points thats the way to go. With these fans hes damned if he does or damned if he dont.

On that note Gibbs as made a few mistakes but there is nothing he can do about the players playing bad or being injured maybe Im making excuses for him and I was just as angry with the double time out last night but if he did ask the official and the official said he could do it.....<-that right there is the only thing that I can hold gibbs accountable for, stupid and unexcusable but he was probably under a bit of stress

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As I have said before, the "cheering" that occured during the moment of silence was directly attributed to a guy yelling, "we love you sean!". I do not think those that cheered meant any disrespect, they simply burst out (briefly) at the cry of what most were thinking. That is just my take, and I was there, for what its worth.

As for booing the players, maybe it happened (to a small degree) but iit certainly did not happen on a widespread basis- don't judge the whole based on the actions of a few. While I disagree with booing, I do believe its each individual fans right- these are proffessional athletes and coaches- we pay their outrageous salaries. I realize and agree that it may have not been the time or the place, but these people invest their time, money, and emotions into the redskins, and I can identify with their urge to react, however untimely.

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I forgot to mention that I do not believe that fans were booing the players...I think it was all directed at coach gibbs...
In the end people are sick and tired of seeing the skins try to sit on leads at the end of the game, only to lose....the timeout debacle was simply the last straw for them, manifesting itself in boos. This is not in defense of, but rather an explaination why (from my point of view).

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People I spoke to said they definitely saw and heard players getting cursed at and booed.

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[quote=BrunellMVP?;388252]As I have said before, the "cheering" that occured during the moment of silence was directly attributed to a guy yelling, "we love you sean!". I do not think those that cheered meant any disrespect, they simply burst out (briefly) at the cry of what most were thinking. That is just my take, and I was there, for what its worth.

As for booing the players, maybe it happened (to a small degree) but iit certainly did not happen on a widespread basis- don't judge the whole based on the actions of a few. While I disagree with booing, I do believe its each individual fans right- these are proffessional athletes and coaches- we pay their outrageous salaries. I realize and agree that it may have not been the time or the place, but these people invest their time, money, and emotions into the redskins, and I can identify with their urge to react, however untimely.[/quote]

You pretty much summed up my feelings on the outburst. I didn't really chalk it up as classless or anything like that. I do think it was just bad tact or decorum, but I didn't really frown upon it.

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[COLOR=black]I've been a loyal reader of Warpath (the best Fan Site) for a couple years now. I haven't posted until now, but feel the need to speak up for the "fans" at yesterday's game. I was at the game yesterday as a birthday present from my girlfriend. It was a surprise gift that was long since planned, but I just found about Saturday evening. As it turns out it will go down as one of the most emotional games in our beloved franchise and one I will never forget. [/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]I see some generic comments in some of today's threads questioning the actions of the "fans" at yesterday's game especially during the moment of silence. I was there to witness the entire event. There were three people. Count them three people that I heard at game that did not observe the moment of silence. One person from the endzone visitor's side said "We love you Sean Taylor." Another person from behind the home bench said something to the effect of "We miss you Sean". The third person from the endzone lower deck said some long drawn out sentence that made no sense (I suspect this person threw too many back during the tailgate party prior to the game). These were simple comments that I agree were inappropriate during the moment of silence, but came across very clearly throughout the stadium. And why? Because FedEx was so quiet you could hear a pin drop. 90,000+ true Redskins Fans honored Sean with a moment of silence. Please do not lump three people with the collective group of Fans at yesterday's game. In fact millions of tears were shed for Sean yesterday. There weren't many dry eyes in the stadium after the video tribute and the moment of silence. I've been and will always be a die hard Redskins fan forever. We fans were at the game and I'm a firm believer you will not find better fans in the NFL than Redskins fans. It was an emotional day for everyone involved in yesterday's game...not just for the players...not just for the coaching staff...but for the fans as well. We honored Sean yesterday. We did not disrespect him. I was there to witness it.[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]Of all the images that come to mind from yesterday's game I want to share the one I will take away forever. During the video tribute there was a picture of Sean. Projecting from the jumbotron for all to see it looked like Sean was standing on the side of practice field in his Redskins uniform without his helmet on. Here was one of most fiercest competitors ever to put on a Redskins uniform with the biggest smile on his face looking as happy as one can be standing there holding his 18 month old daughter. He looked very proud. He died trying to protect that same little girl. And for that…from this loyal Redskins Fan…Sean we are proud of you. You will be a Redskin forever.[/COLOR]

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[QUOTE=SkinsFan4Ever;388275][COLOR=black]I've been a loyal reader of Warpath (the best Fan Site) for a couple years now. I haven't posted until now, but feel the need to speak up for the "fans" at yesterday's game. I was at the game yesterday as a birthday present from my girlfriend. It was a surprise gift that was long since planned, but I just found about Saturday evening. As it turns out it will go down as one of the most emotional games in our beloved franchise and one I will never forget. [/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]I see some generic comments in some of today's threads questioning the actions of the "fans" at yesterday's game especially during the moment of silence. I was there to witness the entire event. There were three people. Count them three people that I heard at game that did not observe the moment of silence. One person from the endzone visitor's side said "We love you Sean Taylor." Another person from behind the home bench said something to the effect of "We miss you Sean". The third person from the endzone lower deck said some long drawn out sentence that made no sense (I suspect this person threw too many back during the tailgate party prior to the game). These were simple comments that I agree were inappropriate during the moment of silence, but came across very clearly throughout the stadium. And why? Because FedEx was so quiet you could hear a pin drop. 90,000+ true Redskins Fans honored Sean with a moment of silence. Please do not lump three people with the collective group of Fans at yesterday's game. In fact millions of tears were shed for Sean yesterday. There weren't many dry eyes in the stadium after the video tribute and the moment of silence. I've been and will always be a die hard Redskins fan forever. We fans were at the game and I'm a firm believer you will not find better fans in the NFL than Redskins fans. It was an emotional day for everyone involved in yesterday's game...not just for the players...not just for the coaching staff...but for the fans as well. We honored Sean yesterday. We did not disrespect him. I was there to witness it.[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]Of all the images that come to mind from yesterday's game I want to share the one I will take away forever. During the video tribute there was a picture of Sean. Projecting from the jumbotron for all to see it looked like Sean was standing on the side of practice field in his Redskins uniform without his helmet on. Here was one of most fiercest competitors ever to put on a Redskins uniform with the biggest smile on his face looking as happy as one can be standing there holding his 18 month old daughter. He looked very proud. He died trying to protect that same little girl. And for that…from this loyal Redskins Fan…Sean we are proud of you. You will be a Redskin forever.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]

Thanks for clearing that up.

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Solid post, SkinsFans4Ever. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree though. I don't care for most Redskins fans. I think they are far from the best...and much closer to being the worst.

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i was there and it was more then three people. Yeah people said we love you sean and etc, but there were a bunch of people sitting around me talking among themselves quietly. There was also a loud "Buffalo Bills Suck" yelled out by some fan behind me on the visitors side. Yeah it was also quiet, but the few that yelled is what ruined the moment of silence, its supposed to be quiet, you could of showed your respect by simply being quiet, isnt that how a moment of silence is supposed to be???

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Re': smootsmack.
Fair enough- no doubt you've polled more people than I have...

As for being closer to the worst....I have many reasons why I think the skins fans at the stadium leave something to be desired- but I think that sentiment has been captured both on this site and in sports illustrated's annual stadium rankings.

They say you never know someone(yourself) until you've seen how they react when a situation is dire, so on those grounds, smootsmack, perhaps you are right.

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During the game there were people yelling sit down, and shit to that extent. If people want to sit down, then they can stay there asses home. I think everyone should be standing and cheering when the defense is on the field. It could of been louder.

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I find that somewhat disturbing that Joe didn't know about the 10 men on the field thing. Does our team really lack that much communication?

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[quote]During the game there were people yelling sit down, and shit to that extent. If people want to sit down, then they can stay there asses home. I think everyone should be standing and cheering when the defense is on the field. It could of been louder.[/quote]

This is why I don't even like to go to games anymore. When I go to a game I feel like it's my JOB to stand and cheer, and the last 3-4 times Ive gone I've gotten shit for it all game. It's simply not fun to me to sit there. One guy I even respected besides on 3rd downs Id stand up and cheer for the defense, and he still flipped out. Just upsetting to me, Id love to see someone telling someone to sit down in Arrowhead.

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What I've never understood is why there's so much hootin and hollerin when our offense is in the red zone, but virtual silence when the opponent's is. I mean, as Jerry would say, what is the deal?

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[quote=SmootSmack;388309]Solid post, SkinsFans4Ever. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree though. I don't care for most Redskins fans. I think they are far from the best...and much closer to being the worst.[/quote]

SS, maybe I'm wrong but I think it's possible that you've, perhaps, lumped some of your recent bad experience(s) together of most Redskins fans.
This season, particularly Gibbs 2.0, has been a tough one to stomach for fans, coaches, and players alike.

First of all, let's be honest, it's really hard to put this subject in its proper context. Here's my reasoning when it comes to Redskins fans and most NFL fans: fans are up and fans are down. But you know what, so are players and so are coaches. And so is the media for that matter. So is the ice cream man. So is the guy next door. So is my plumber. It's all human nature. I'll go a step further too. Now, this is purely speculation on my part, but people that tend to be fiercely loyal to their team..I mean the ones that really drink the so called Kool-Aid, I'll bet they're like that in other areas of their lives and with other relationships.

See, I'm of the opinion that one's fandom is simply an extension of other things and people they relate to on a daily basis. I'll bet some of you on this very website would help me at the drop of hat if I was going through some type of personal crisis. Other's would say, I don't really know 12th. Seems like a cool guy but I don't really know him like that. You can't hate on that, and it doesn't make one person that maybe loaned me $10 better than the other Warpath member that questioned my motives and integrity. It is what it is. (I don't know if I may argument is making much sense at this point)

But I think it's that one single trait about Joe Gibbs that has endeared thousands to him; he's fiercely loyal - almost to a fault. I never realized this until I heard him being interviewed shortly after he accepted the job the second round. You know, the reporter is grilling him. Trying to see what Gibbs' motive "really" was for returning to the Redskins. Then the reporter crossed the line some. He asked if Gibbs ever thought about coaching another team, perhaps the Cowboys even. Without hesitation Gibbs shot right back, and said "it never crossed my mind, I'm a Redskin." I couldn't (Gibbs cackle) imagine wearing anything other than burgundy and gold. Now that's a damn fan if you ask me.

That's why you'll never, ever hear a player publicly bash Gibbs. They know it goes beyond coaching with him. They know he looks at them as 53 sons with the last name Gibbs etched somewhere on their uniform. So to bash him publicly would almost be like bashing their own father. We're so foolish. We always talk about Gibbs being a Hall of Fame coach and how he deserves respect. That's not why Joe Gibbs deserves respect. He deserves and commands respect because he is, in my book, the greatest Redskin fan of all time. I'll bet he'll trade in that bust in Canton in a heartbeat to go down in history as the greatest Redskin fan and he'll trade in all three of those Super Bowl rings for the once in a lifetime opportunity to meet and have some influence on a few Sean Taylors along the way. Now those statements seem completely subjective and opinionated, but that's what I believe. That's how I see it.

To that end that's why it stinks to high heaven to people like you SmootSmack when Gibbs is questioned, ridiculed and scorned. Because the bar is so high and our fans are so human. We quantify success in terms of playoff victories and Super Bowls. Joe Gibbs measures true success by lives touched and changed. The rings and accolades are a result of the latter. So it's an impossible benchmark for most to meet -impossible. But neither is an indictment. I think, and this is the only way I could possibly say this, Gibbs 1.0 we witnessed one of the greatest coaches of all time. Gibbs 2.0 we're seeing a good coach but also the greatest fan of the Washington Redskins.