NFL uncapped -- Good or bad in your eyes?
 

Hey Guys,

As many of you know the owners are very well thinking about opting out of the current CBA. This will mean the NFL in either 2010 or 2011 will become uncapped. Upshaw has said, and it makes complete since from the NFL PA's perspective, that if the cap goes away it will never come back. I'm a little torn on this issue.

On one hand, trades will be possible in the NFL once again, and having multiple great players won't handcuff you because of their salary. The #1 pick in the draft again becomes an asset rather than a burden, and you can keep those players you love but just can't justify their salary against the cap right now.

On the other hand, it will kill parity in the league. Small market / cheap owners will put out a subpar product due to not having the cash or simply unwilling to spend it (right now teams must spend at least 85% of their cap), and it will crush the competitive balance. Teams like Washington, Dallas, New York, etc will be able to get anything and everything they want because of seemingly endless income, while small market teams like Green Bay and Buffalo really can't compete.

Where do you stand on the uncapped year? Good or bad for the NFL?

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All this will do is make football end up like baseball, with the Cowboys and Redskins taking the part of the Yankees. On the other hand, maybe Dan Snyder will FINALLY be able to afford and pay all those players he wants. LOL

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Bad. Very bad.

Horrible.

As you said it will kill the smaller market teams. I'd hate to see the NFL turn into MLB.

Personally I don't think we'll see it happen though. The NFL has done a great job at maintaining labor peace since 1987.

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[quote=Mattyk72;426753]Bad. Very bad.

Horrible.

[B] As you said it will kill the smaller market teams. I'd hate to see the NFL turn into MLB.[/B]

Personally I don't think we'll see it happen though. The NFL has done a great job at maintaining labor peace since 1987.[/quote]

That's my whole gripe with it. We have the cap for that reason, so that a team with a hyper rich/obsessed owner can't go out and buy the damn league. I really hope this doesn't come to frutition because IMO, it cant mean ANYTHING but bad for the NFL.

Plus, MLB sucks. Hard.

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For the NFL overall I think it would be bad. In our little corner of the world though, in the NFC East, it would be fine. The Cowboys, Giants, Redskins, and Eagles are all large market teams and would be capable of competing with one another financially. The division would be a perennial powerhouse and constantly very competitive.

But the division could be a perennial powerhouse under a salary cap too. It's a horrible thing for the NFL overall, IMO.

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[quote=JGisLordOfTheRings;426755]That's my whole gripe with it. We have the cap for that reason, so that a team with a hyper rich/obsessed owner can't go out and buy the damn league. I really hope this doesn't come to frutition because IMO, it cant mean ANYTHING but bad for the NFL.

[B]Plus, MLB sucks. Hard[/B].[/quote]

Yes, indeed.

I want to punch someone in the face anytime I hear the words 'steroids' and 'baseball' these days. Enough already, please.

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This would be the end of football as America's most watched game.

The league will go back to having dynasties made by revenue and not solid GM moves and player/coach production.

There would not longer be any mystery behind who will make it to the dance or playoffs, because, as we saw before the salary cap in the NFL, there will be perennial playoff teams every year and the competition that has made the NFL so great the last few years will eventually dissipate.

Those who neglect their history are doomed to repeat it.

Someone put that on a t-shirt and send it to Goddell and Dan Snyder.

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It will be bad, very bad for football as we know it. It will destroy the competetive balance and small market venues will suffer. It will defeat the origional purpose of the cap implementation and will become a league where only the strong survive. Not Good...

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[quote=Longtimefan;426772]It will be bad, very bad for football as we know it. It will destroy the competetive balance and small market venues will suffer. It will defeat the origional purpose of the cap implementation and will become a league where only the strong survive. Not Good...[/quote]

I love that commercial! "The competetive balance is fair."

Well, if this happens, Denny Green wont be able to say that anymore. And that would make me sad. Green is a riot.

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Guys when it comes to the Skins I don't care about anything but us. I'm EXTREMELY greedy and I'm happy to admit it. I feel sick every time we lose and when we win I can't help but smile. I don't care about the Bills or Packers I care about the Skins. That being said if this does happen we are going to DOMINATE. Danny and the front office haven't exactly done the best job with getting the right players and the cap. But now it will come down to is he willing to spend the money? We all know what the answer to that is! So lets be the Yankees or Sox (2000 era) of the the NFL. I'm all for no cap.

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Bad for the laegue, good for the Skins. I'm against it though, I want Super Bowl rings the hard way. Parity is what makes the NFL great and baseball suck right now.

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Well, I know Jerry Jones has said he's opting out -- wouldn't be surprised if Snyder did too. They do have some gripes, they're sending their money to small market teams, etc.

Definitely be interesting to see how it plays out.

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Baseball doesn't suck if you like the Yankees or the Redsox!!!!!!

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As a Redskin fan, i love it we have a owner that would buy everything and we would win at least 10 superbowls, as a NFL fan, no the salary cap must stay to ensure equality among all teams big & small market (but allow me to dream for a minute owner who loves to spend money on players, at least 10 SB)

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[quote=Vulta121;426782]Baseball doesn't suck if you like the Yankees or the Redsox!!!!!![/quote]


Obv. But either way, Baseball has become a circus. You can't hear the words "Major League Baseball" without hearing "steriods" "Clemens" or "Bonds" in the same sentence anymore. It's sickening. I mean, it's not like I really like the game that much in the first place. I also think it's insulting that it's STILL "Americas Favorite Pastime" even though we all know damn good and well it's the NFL and not the MLB.

I say, take down the MLB and add 10 more teams to the NFL. lol

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yes it does.

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On one hand...it would be great to see guys stick with a team over the course of a career, creating teams with identities and players a person can identify as being "true Redskins." On the other hand, consistent competition would literally go out the window league-wide.

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[QUOTE=Daseal;426781]Well, I know Jerry Jones has said he's opting out -- wouldn't be surprised if Snyder did too. They do have some gripes, they're sending their money to small market teams, etc.

Definitely be interesting to see how it plays out.[/QUOTE]

I guess ultimately the question is should the owners consider themselves owners of their own companies competing against each other? Or should they consider themselves business partners working together for the NFL to compete with outside competitors.

By working together they've created tremendous value for each of their teams. According to Forbes, the Vikings were the least valuable team in the NFL in 2005. yet they were more valuable than the Knicks (the most valuable NBA team in 2005). The Detroit Pistons and Detroit Red Wings (for all their history and NBA titles and Stanley Cups) together are nowhere near as valuable as the Detroit Lions (with nothing). And the more valuable the smaller market teams are, it would seem logical that it only improves the value of the larger market teams.

On the other hand, because of salary caps you could make the argument that-while there is parity-the quality of the sport has declined. Instead of allowing players to develop and learn you're forced to throw people out there that aren't ready and are constantly turning rosters over.

I think what's important, more so than a salary cap, is that a salary floor is in place. You have to have money (a lot of it) to be an NFL owner so these guys aren't poor but it seems like some (Bidwill) don't invest as much as they could into their teams. In my opinion, if you want to be part of this exclusive club you need to invest more than just the initial capital to buy the team.

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as a skins fan, i'd love it. for at least a year or two. danny boy could finally buy that lombardi he's had his eye on. but it would send the game as a whole on a downward spiral. so, ultimately, no good.

i hate seeing my skins struggle year after year after year. but i wouldn't take our competitiveness at the expense of the competitiveness of the league as a whole. that would just cheapen any wins that we may get. i'd much rather see ol danny jus get his act together and BUILD a team from the ground up which he SEEMS to be attempting to do now.

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Well, I'm definitely in the minority on this one. I hate parity and crave David versus Goliath matchups. Go Washington Uncaps!

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Does this mean all free agent contracts should end in 2011? If I'm a FA I wouldn't want a contract extention beyond a non-capped year, I think I'd prefer to wait.

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Guys the MLB is not that bad in general. I mean I live in Miami and I know the Marlins suck but I'll still love them until the day I die. They proved a cap is not the ULTIMATE decider they won the WS in 97 and 03. It also showed with the Rockies last year. Most of the time this doesn't happen, the teams with better players win. With no cap we would have better players. I would take three or four odd years out of 20 that we don't win or were not in it until the end! Wouldn't you?
Also, the MLB keeps breaking attendance records four years running!
[url=http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20070925&content_id=2229023&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb]The Official Site of Major League Baseball: News: Fans coming out in record numbers[/url]
The attendance per game has also gone up it's not that there are more games or teams so the records are inevitably broken. If baseball was doing so bad this wouldn't happen. Numbers speak for themselves. Go no cap, GO SKINS

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Well just because Snyder can go out and spend money so can the other teams and owners willing to do the samething. If this does happen and players contracts jump look for tickets and everything else to jump. Baseball has how many home games to absurb some of the cost and NFL teams have 10 at the most at home games.

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It's too far away to think about this, I'm sure it wont happen. I'd hate to see the NFL go MLB though. Although, we would win the superbowl with snyders money.

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LOSE THE CAP! I can remember it prior. Yes it has helped out some teams but I have always felt and still do that it's all about marketing. How the owner sells the team. I can't imagine teams doing to poorly with all the money coming in from TV time and merchandise. Yes some teams sell better then others.....but put a winning team on the field for a change and stop lining your pockets.

If any of you can remeber the terrible teams back then...Patriots, Cardinals(as always), Bucs, Seattle(as always), Detroit, Houston (whatever they are), Browns,

Then look at the top 10 richest NFL owners.....they were all the teams that sucked back then. Now either new owners have purchased the teams or the same owners simply refuse to put the money back into the teams. The Patriots have finally come around, Cards will always suck(LOL), Bucs are better, Seattle is the #1 owner and they are finally looking good after all the yrs sucking, Detroit....how in hell do you own a car company and a football team and still suck for so many yrs? Houston did pretty good in the 60's but has not been good since, Browns.....oh yeah they moved to Baltimore and a new owner took over and they still suck. lol.

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Great for the Redskins, bad for football. Just look at Baseball(Orioles).

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[QUOTE=firstdown;426825]Well just because Snyder can go out and spend money so can the other teams and owners willing to do the samething. If this does happen and players contracts jump look for tickets and everything else to jump. Baseball has how many home games to absurb some of the cost and NFL teams have 10 at the most at home games.[/QUOTE]

Yeah I don't know why people seem to think Snyder is the only rich owner. Imagine what Paul Allen would do

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Can you imagine how much we'd have paid Arch and Lloyd without a cap.

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Man I really hope they work things out. I don't want the NFL to turn into that joke known as MLB.

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Teams that will slide back to stinkdom come after the cap ends:

Jaguars
Bengals
Green Bay
Carolina

Two will probably go or move:

New Orleans
Buffalo

As for the Skins. We won our SB titles before the cap.

One thing for sure. No Cap and the bench for some gets alot deeper. If the cap goes some teams will have awesome special teams and the others will suck even worse than they do now if that is possible.

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[quote=Hogs Breath;426898]Teams that will slide back to stinkdom come after the cap ends:

Jaguars
Bengals
Green Bay
Carolina

Two will probably go or move:

New Orleans
Buffalo

As for the Skins. We won our SB titles before the cap.

One thing for sure. No Cap and the bench for some gets alot deeper. If the cap goes some teams will have awesome special teams and the others will suck even worse than they do now if that is possible.[/quote]

Jax is already in the hole and talking moving and thats with the cap.
Bengals actually started something until they hired the thugs.
GB is the staple of Wisconsin. It will survive. build a bigger stadium and charg more. lol.

Carolina started out on the cusp. They can't even fill their stadium.

NO owner has committed himself. plus all he wants is a free stadium to stay.

Buff yeah you might be right they are talking about moving to Canada. LOL

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I wonder how many teams moved before the cap vs after the cap started. I'm not sure if the Rams count. Look at the Raiders, I think they move just to change uniforms.

Cardinals. Oilers/Titans. Baltimore. I don't even think Detroit plays in Detroit. Maybe if the owner spent a little of his money to advertise and think of new ways to generate income instead of relying on the lucrative market fans (Redskins/Dalls) to support their needs and stadiums our ticket prices would come down to the affordable level. or not.

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Get rid of the god damned cap. I am tired of seeing mediocre/ socialized football. There is no such thing as a small market team anymore save a few exceptions(Detroit). Why drag most of the league down only to promote parody(mediocrity). I mean look at the state of the league. Is there really parody? You had only a few real good teams that were real well honed machines and then a bunch of mediocre teams with a few real crappy teams like Miami and Oakland. I am sorry guys, I want to see great football. I miss the old Gibby days, the old Walsh Days, Marty, Reeves, etc. Pre cap era you had some really good teams out there(Wash, Dallas, Giants, San Fran, Buffalo, Cleveland, Denver, Chicago, Miami, Oakland) not just a league that had only 3 good teams in it. Let the money fly. Teams like Oakland and Miami can be competitive again real soon since they are in big markets. Let the market decide who is competitve, not the jerks from the NFL.

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I can remember the "Team players". I know most of you youngins won't recognize what I'm sayin but true "team players" did not defect to the enemy because the curret team could not afford to keep you or pay what you thought you were worth. Now it's all business...dollars and cents. You would see only the occassional player that left his team that drafted him but for the most part players were kept when they were drafted. not long gone after 4-5 yrs.

No one can say there were complete dominances because the Steelers came and went, 49ers came and went, Miami came and went, Houston came and went and same with the Jets, and Baltimore. No team stayed a dynasty for yrs.

Now a days you can draft someone then after 4-5 yrs the player is gone. Moved on to greener pastures or better pay. It's hard to build a team and keep continuity when you have constant turnover.

I never understood why fans outside of one market should be subjected to paying higher prices for everything to see a portion of the profit not stay with the team or players or upgrading the facility but to see the money get shipped out to another market to help an owner pay his players or for his stadium? All the while the owner refuses to dip into his pocket or savings to put a better product on the field to entertain and bring more of a fan base.

Drop the cap and force owners to buy into a health plan for their players. 32 team times what 52 players per team should bring enough players to get a good low costing insurance and force the players to take a % of their earnings and invest it for retirement.

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great for us, terrible for the league.

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Very bad

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Good only cuz im a skins fan. The current salary cap is a joke anyways since a unproven rookie can be the richest guy on the team from day 1.

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I have mixed feelings on the salary cap. The league has all of these different ways for small market teams to compete yet it seems teams yearly dont spend to improve their football team. Its funny when you look at the amount of salary cap space some teams have. I hate how the Skins spend and cant win yet other teams lowball their players and dont spend to improve their team yet they win. Being a Redskin fan I kinda hope the cap goes away so teams that want to win and spend to win arent held back. I realize the NFL will suffer as a whole as some teams will suck because they dont have the resources to sign players. As a Skins fan though im tired of seeing teams try to save a buck yet compete.

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Let's face it: if you can't buy all the talent you'd ever want with a totally obscene 130 million dollar cap, there's something wrong with your business plan. Despite the average player salary being significantly lower than in baseball, pretty much every team currently has the capability to spend like the Red Sox.

The salary cap used to be the main drive behind parity, but since about 2005, it's only meant anything to Dan Snyder and the Titans the one year they had to tear down because of poor cap management. In it's current state, it's biggest effect on the game is the salary floor. Nothing would happen among the top two thirds of the league if it went away.

Now the 2010 uncapped year under the current CBA...that could be actually interesting.

But let's face it, after all the cap space we're not supposed to have, the fact that we fit Haynesworth and Hall under the cap with plenty of room to spare means that the cap is pretty much useless to the mid and large markets.

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Danny will be sure to pass the buck along to the fans for sure. I'm sure he'll find a way to make us pay to take a piss.
The salary cap is a good thing.