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Hopefully[B] Russell Okung [/B]is available and our choice in the 1st rd to secure the LT position for the next decade. I feel that he is the safe and secure pick, and will deliver solid line play at a Pro-Bowl level.

Securing LT in the 1st is only a start, the team needs to address the RT position as well before camp starts. Not having a 2nd or 3rd round pick makes projecting availability in the later rounds a near impossibility. 2nd-3rd rd options such as Saffold, Veldheer, Ducasse, and Fox will most likely be gone when the[B] Skins [/B]select the 103rd player.

[B]Selvish Capers[/B], OT from [I]West Virginia [/I]should be in the mix as a late 3rd, early 4th rd selection. He is 6'5", 308 lbs, a converted TE who has experience at both Tackle and Guard positions. He has the athleticism and skill-set to be a [U]Zone Blocking RT[/U]. He is raw and needs to add some weight, but he could be a good fit and possible selection. I'll spare the long write-up; he has weaknesses, but his upside is enticing, and most teams will pass on him as he looks to be made more for a[U][U] Zone Blocking Offense[/U][/U].

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Re: Right Tackle prospect to look for in the 4th round.
 

not super convincing... lots of fall downs, some decent blocking but pretty spotty overall just on the basis of this one piece of film

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Kyle Calloway (Iowa) and Jason Fox (Miami). Fox is one of those guys that was considered a lock for a first round pick at one point but had injury problems. Edwin Veldheer (Hillsdale) is probably my favorite but he could easily go as early as the 2nd round if the run on Tackles gets really serious.

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Capers is somewhat highly rated, at least as a possible 3rd round pick. Unfortunately once we get into the 4th round and later, we are digging through scraps looking for a nice juicey T-bone.

Alex Gibbs, ZBS guru, said that he looks for converted Tight Ends for his linemen because of their athleticism and quick release off the line. Many of the other potential linemen don't project well in a ZBS. I don't see how we can get out of this draft without getting at least 2 O-linemen.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;687904]Kyle Calloway (Iowa) and Jason Fox (Miami). Fox is one of those guys that was considered a lock for a first round pick at one point but had injury problems. Edwin Veldheer (Hillsdale) is probably my favorite but he could easily go as early as the 2nd round if the run on Tackles gets really serious.[/quote]

Calloway is painfully slow and looks more like a power scheme blocker. I like Veldheer a lot, and would love to grab him in the 4th, but expect him gone in the mid 3rd. Fox has 2 major injury issues, but if he checks out medically, he would be a great fit. I would go Veldheer, Fox- if healthy, and then Capers.

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I don't get how people have seen Veldheer play I can't find any of his highlights, just his combine workout which tells u nothing of how good of a football player he is...I've been saying since december that we should get jason fox he's a starting RT from day one in the NFL and is the perfect ZBS OLineman. Capers I think would be a bust or out of the league in a few years.

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I could easily see Capers being this years Duke Robinson.

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Tripp has seen Veldheer give up a sack

Capers, I believe I've mentioned here, was high on the Redskins radar screen for a while. As they don't have a 2nd round pick currently I'm not sure where he stands for them at this time

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[quote=jdc65;687905]Capers is somewhat highly rated, at least as a possible 3rd round pick. Unfortunately once we get into the 4th round and later, we are digging through scraps looking for a nice juicey T-bone.

Alex Gibbs, ZBS guru, said that he looks for [B]converted Tight Ends[/B] for his linemen because of their athleticism and quick release off the line. Many of the other potential linemen don't project well in a ZBS. I don't see how we can get out of this draft without getting at least 2 O-linemen.[/quote]

A guy we might check out that's been joked about here is Ed Wang of Va. Tech. He's a converted TE that played LT last year. He's projected in the 5th to 6th I believe.

He's another of the "project" guys in that he'll likely need a year or two, but he's got the athletic ability for the scheme. Also, as someone pointed out in another thread, they should draft him just to give him #69!

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[quote=SmootSmack;687918][B]Tripp has seen Veldheer give up a sack[/B]

Capers, I believe I've mentioned here, was high on the Redskins radar screen for a while. As they don't have a 2nd round pick currently I'm not sure where he stands for them at this time[/quote]

:laughing2

in general, is it feasible to take a RT in the 4th and expect him to start? seems like a stretch.

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Jason Fox is a very good football player, particularly in pass protection. It is only his injury history that has caused him to drop in the draft projections. If he checks out, he could be a 4th round steal. I think he could play LT, as well as RT.

I know that Ed Wang has gotten a lot of holding penalties, but I think he would be a good 4th round pick, as well. He is athletic, he has great size and long arms, and he seemed to stand out whenever I watched VT play. I think he could become a very good RT.

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[quote=freddyg12;687939]A guy we might check out that's been joked about here is Ed Wang of Va. Tech. He's a converted TE that played LT last year. He's projected in the 5th to 6th I believe.

He's another of the "project" guys in that he'll likely need a year or two, but he's got the athletic ability for the scheme. Also, as someone pointed out in another thread, they should draft him just to give him #69![/quote]

We've definitely met with Wang a couple of times. I could certainly see him in the 5th or 6th

But as long as we're talking converted Tight Ends, give me Charles Brown

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Keep in mind that if no trades are made by the 'Skins, when that 4th round pick comes around, it'll be smart to start drafting the best prospects 'regardless' of position needs.

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Wang in the 5th is a possibilty, he would fit the scheme. Brown would be an ideal fit if we could drop down in the 20s. If we could trade the 4 pick for a late 1st and an early 2nd, and then scoop up Brown AND Saffold, our Tackle situation would be resolved for a decade.
Generally I agree about Best Player Available, but we need to get 2 O-linemen out of this draft somehow, somewhere in my opinion.

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He struggled in a big way at the Senior Bowl. Make no mistake, Capers is a project (think Rinehart).

[url=http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=79170&draftyear=2010&genpos=OT]Selvish Capers | West Virginia, OT : 2010 NFL Draft Scout Player Profile[/url]

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;687981]He struggled in a big way at the Senior Bowl. Make no mistake, Capers is a project (think Rinehart).

[url=http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=79170&draftyear=2010&genpos=OT]Selvish Capers*|*West Virginia,*OT*:*2010 NFL Draft Scout Player Profile[/url][/quote]

Yea, that's the problem. Once you get into the 4th round, everyone really is a project. Capers definately wouldn't be able to start in week 1, but he does have upside and he fits.

Of the linemen that I have looked over, he seems to be the best fit in the 4th round range. There will be some sleeper guys available in the 5th and later, but who knows anything about them?

The team could also look at RB or Defense for a 4th rd selection. I just hope the team has their good scouting goggles on because we need multiple picks to be productive this year.

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[quote=SmootSmack;687918]Tripp has seen Veldheer give up a sack

Capers, I believe I've mentioned here, was high on the Redskins radar screen for a while. As they don't have a 2nd round pick currently I'm not sure where he stands for them at this time[/quote]

According to profootballweekly magazine, it says that Veldheer never gave up a sack in college while he started at Hillsdale. I'm taking their word over Tripps

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;687946]Jason Fox is a very good football player, particularly in pass protection. It is only his injury history that has caused him to drop in the draft projections. If he checks out, he could be a 4th round steal. I think he could play LT, as well as RT.

I know that Ed Wang has gotten a lot of holding penalties, but I think he would be a good 4th round pick, as well. He is athletic, he has great size and long arms, and he seemed to stand out whenever I watched VT play. I think he could become a very good RT.[/quote]

If we don't trade our #4 pick for more picks then Fox in the 4th rd would be a steal, i believe one of his medical problems was an irregular heartbeat.

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[quote=SmootSmack;687963]We've definitely met with Wang a couple of times. I could certainly see him in the 5th or 6th

[B]But as long as we're talking converted Tight Ends, give me Charles Brown[/B][/quote]

Absolutely. I really like the way he plays football. I, for one, didn't mention him because I was thinking that we'd probably be able to get Okung at #4 and we don't have another pick until the 4th round. Now, if we trade down from #4, I'd definitely like to see the Skins pick Charles Brown.

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[quote=jdc65;688005]Yea, that's the problem. Once you get into the 4th round, everyone really is a project. Capers definately wouldn't be able to start in week 1, but he does have upside and he fits.[/quote]Quoted for truth.

Really, everyone after Bulaga is a prospect of some sort. And because I have Anthony Davis ranked ahead of Bulaga, who is definitely a project, most of the first round tackles come with a developmental curve. At least compared to those of the last two years.

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[quote=rbanerjee23;687896]not super convincing... lots of fall downs, some decent blocking but pretty spotty overall just on the basis of this one piece of film[/quote]

and wouldn't that be true of just about every 4th, 5th or 6th round pick. I mean how many 4th rounders are going to get a glowing review that predicts future HOF status and claims the guy is strong, swift, and super smart. Heck, even most of the first round picks seem to have flaws according to the experts.
If the 1st rounders are pot luck, anything past that is a dog chow lottery.

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I would be fine if they draft Capers in the 4th round. He is a top 100 ranked player according to most draft sites, he fits the scheme as a zone blocker, and has the ability to play multiple line positions.

Fox does have an irregular heartbeat, and it was serious enough that he missed at least one game. I also read where he had to have extensive testing done at the combine, and then get tested again. If Fox is there in the 4th, and we don't take him, then we should conclude that he has too much risk. He has been ranked as a top 50 player most of last year.

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Call me unpopular but I'll take Tony "Joe Dirt" Washington if he's there in the 4th.

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[quote=tryfuhl;688455]Call me unpopular but I'll take Tony "Joe Dirt" Washington if he's there in the 4th.[/quote]

Sadly theres a long list of people in the NFL who have done worse then Tony Washington. I could get on board with us drafting him, but it would take a few weeks.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;688474]Sadly theres a long list of people in the NFL who have done worse then [B]Tony Washington[/B]. I could get on board with us drafting him, but it would take a few weeks.[/quote]


Agree, I think he would be more motivated to be a better player cause he's got to know what people are thinking/saying about him it can only make you stronger.

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I can't get on board with drafting Tony Washington in the 4th round or drafting him at all. Beside the public relation nightmare that would ensue, his level of competition was far inferior than most every other draftable player. He may not even get drafted, or at least not until the 6th round.

Everyone deserves a 2nd or 3rd chance, but let him wait until the draft is over before giving it to him. The full story may even be worse then we know, and we just don't need that kind of distraction in my opinion. Signing him as an Undrafted Free Agent is more palatable to me at least, and allows the few valuable draft picks the team has to be used more judiciously.

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[quote=jdc65;689500]I can't get on board with drafting Tony Washington in the 4th round or drafting him at all. Beside the public relation nightmare that would ensue, his level of competition was far inferior than most every other draftable player. He may not even get drafted, or at least not until the 6th round.

Everyone deserves a 2nd or 3rd chance, but let him wait until the draft is over before giving it to him. The full story may even be worse then we know, and we just don't need that kind of distraction in my opinion. Signing him as an Undrafted Free Agent is more palatable to me at least, and allows the few valuable draft picks the team has to be used more judiciously.[/quote]
I hope he is there, at four. That is what they said about Vick, and now it looks like a great value, that if they wanted to could trade right know.

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Circon Black RT from LSU, would be a pretty good pick in Round 4

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[quote=ChickenMonkey;689511]Circon Black RT from LSU, would be a pretty good pick in Round 4[/quote]
Was'nt he the guy that ran a 6 minute 40ytd.

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Sam Young could be there at four and I think he would be an outstanding talent for RT

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^Sam Young is awful and needed help to protect from that side all the time

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I don't think Black or Young would fit at all in a zone blocking scheme. Both are painfully slow, and like Calloway seem better suited to a power running team.