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Looks like AH might indeed be traded. Jason La Canfora says AH is looking to be traded and we are looking at another FA DT to possibly take his place if he is indeed traded. Looks like Shwartz from Detroit is very interested in him.[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d817854e4&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true]Haynesworth avoiding Redskins' voluntary minicamp; trade possible[/url]

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Is there more to this???? If not than thanks for the info, way to be on top of things....

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link?

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Did you really only post this? No link, no other info, just random words?

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I saw a story on NFL network tonight. Haynesworth is not going to show up for mini camp this weekend. Jason LaConfora reported tonight that we are shopping him for a third or possibly a second now that we absorbed the contract bonus that was due a couple of weeks ago. Seems as such a waste though as AH can be dominant, and I believe he could play DE in the 3-4.

Seems a little early to let the guy go. BUT what the hell do I know i have no idea what is going on behind the scenes at Redskins Park.

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I got the link on now

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Sorry guys about the link delay!

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That would be extremely frustrating if we absorbed all of that contract and might get a second rounder out of it. I would like to see what AH can do this year.

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This is bullshit (meaning the situation, not the trade rumor).

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Complete asshole.

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Shanny and Bruce seem to already be losing control of the situation. If we can believe earlier reports Albert went into the season (off-season) committing himself to be at the top of his game. I would argue two points: 1) AH at the top of his game is the most dominant defensive player in football 2) that fact should be enough reason to build the effing defense around him i.e. keep the 4-3 and improve on what we've got.

Instead Shanny/Haslett/Allen have decided to force a scheme for which we don't even have the personnel. And because they effed up the trade w/ the Eagles it seems inevitable we'll lose our best player on the roster.

What is really frustrating about this is the simple fact we're not likely to stick w/ whatever Shanny and Haslett think they're doing anyway. Haslett is a mediocre to sub-par coach. His units have never impressed. And Shanny has a penchant for kicking DCs to the curb even when they perform well (some of his DCs in Denver produced top 10 defenses but still got axed). That's pure ego IMO. So Haslett is likely gone in a year and we start all over again defensively.

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We don't need players here who do not wish to be here. So I say don't let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya there Haynesworth!

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^^^Right! Talent is soooooooo overrated these days ;)

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[quote=The Goat;688366]Shanny and Bruce seem to already be losing control of the situation. If we can believe earlier reports Albert went into the season (off-season) committing himself to be at the top of his game. I would argue two points: 1) AH at the top of his game is the most dominant defensive player in football 2) that fact should be enough reason to build the effing defense around him i.e. keep the 4-3 and improve on what we've got.

Instead Shanny/Haslett/Allen have decided to force a scheme for which we don't even have the personnel. And because they effed up the trade w/ the Eagles it seems inevitable we'll lose our best player on the roster.

What is really frustrating about this is the simple fact we're not likely to stick w/ whatever Shanny and Haslett think they're doing anyway. Haslett is a mediocre to sub-par coach. His units have never impressed. And Shanny has a penchant for kicking DCs to the curb even when they perform well (some of his DCs in Denver produced top 10 defenses but still got axed). That's pure ego IMO. So Haslett is likely gone in a year and we start all over again defensively.[/quote]
Do you think it premature to throw the new regime under the bus? OR did you want to wait until the season started to condemn them?

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No doubt that Haynesworth is talented, but if he doesn't want to be here, his talent isn't going to be in it. He's not going to excel in the 3-4 because he doesn't want to give it a chance. Would be nice to dump that huge contract on somebody else. And who else better than the Lions...LOL!

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[quote=skinsguy;688367]We don't need players here who do not wish to be here. So I say don't let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya there Haynesworth![/quote]


They went out of their way to make sure he doesn't want to be here.

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[quote=skinsguy;688371]No doubt that Haynesworth is talented, but if he doesn't want to be here, his talent isn't going to be in it. He's not going to excel in the 3-4 because he doesn't want to give it a chance. Would be nice to dump that huge contract on somebody else. And who else better than the Lions...LOL![/quote]

Don't we play the Lions next year.

He would destroy us, and God forbid he gets a free shot at our QB. Think about the hit on Brady x 2.

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[quote=Hog1;688369]Do you think it premature to throw the new regime under the bus? OR did you want to wait until the season started to condemn them?[/quote]

I think the season is "built" on the off-season. Honestly Shanny and the FO have not impressed me at all, I just don't see them building for the long-term winner. Expect the defense especially to take a step backward this year.

But in a sense you're right...I'm biased against Shanahan and admitted as much long before he got here. I think he's our coach for two reasons: Snyder felt he HAD to get a big name coach again to regain some respect after destroying the franchise for a decade, and secondly Mike is the only big name coach who would come here because money has always been a primary motivator.

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The Lions would have to let us move up two spots as well as trade a second round pick if they wanted Haynesworth. That is unless the front office feels that Trent Williams is a better fit but Okung is just so dominant that I think it would be stupid not to get him if we can given our current situation at QB.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;688376]The Lions would have to let us move up two spots as well as trade a second round pick if they wanted Haynesworth. That is unless the front office feels that Trent Williams is a better fit but Okung is just so dominant that I think it would be stupid not to get him if we can given our current situation at QB.[/quote]

If AH is traded to the Lions or Rams I expect to get a 2nd and 3rd rounder just Like Denver did for Marshall.

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[quote]Shanny and Bruce seem to already be losing control of the situation. If we can believe earlier reports Albert went into the season (off-season) committing himself to be at the top of his game. I would argue two points: 1) AH at the top of his game is the most dominant defensive player in football 2) that fact should be enough reason to build the effing defense around him i.e. keep the 4-3 and improve on what we've got.

Instead Shanny/Haslett/Allen have decided to force a scheme for which we don't even have the personnel. And because they effed up the trade w/ the Eagles it seems inevitable we'll lose our best player on the roster.

What is really frustrating about this is the simple fact we're not likely to stick w/ whatever Shanny and Haslett think they're doing anyway. Haslett is a mediocre to sub-par coach. His units have never impressed. And Shanny has a penchant for kicking DCs to the curb even when they perform well (some of his DCs in Denver produced top 10 defenses but still got axed). That's pure ego IMO. So Haslett is likely gone in a year and we start all over again defensively.[/quote]

I agree with you Goat. I know Shanny and Allen have a lot of experience. But our defense was pretty damn good last year and built for the 4-3. The only big change I'd make is move Orakpo to full-time DE and let our DL continue to play great football.

If I were taking over this team I'd keep the defensive changes minimal and make the bulk of the changes on the offense.

Yes, Haynesworth wanted to work himself, who cares. He sounded pretty dedicated to me.

That said, a 2nd, even as high as it is, isn't nearly enough compensation.

One last thing. Giving Detroit Haynesworth means they take Okung.

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I thought Adam Shefter (sp) said no way AH is being traded??

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Why do you guys keep saying AH is worth a second rounder. What we have spent on him alone is worth more than a second rounder. We just paid him 21mil already, thats 2years and half of B.Marshalls new contract.

Al's play on the feild speaks for itself. All this for a voluntary workout for 3 days come on,until AH speaks out about this. I will chalk this up to off season boredom.

Shanny wont be around that long if he waste Danny boys money just because he wants to feed his ego.

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I pulled this info from another site but i can't find the link tho interesting comments nonetheless.

I talked to Jim Haslett and he plans on using me like they did with the Titans. He?s talked to a couple of Titans coaches and former Titans coaches and that?s what he said he?s planning on doing. Just kind of letting me loose and letting me play the game.? Of course, with new coordinators come new changes in how the game is played and Haslett is no different. The type of defense Haslett employs is a 3-4 defense, a defense Haynesworth is not familiar with at all, yet he is open to it looks forward to playing it. ?At first I was a little iffy to it because I?ve never played in the 3-4. I don?t have a clue to how it?s really played. But then I talked to him a little bit and he plans on just playing me in the middle a little bit and at end. I guess I?ll just move around and just wreak havoc; so as long as we?re doing that and I?m not just at one position, I?m fine, I?m fine with it.?

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[quote=12thMan;688380]I thought Adam Shefter (sp) said no way AH is being traded??[/quote]

I need to hear this from Shefter and Glazer first.

La Confora (how ever you spell it) is trying to create buzz on a hunch.

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It sounds like they have already lost Albert. Him not showing up to these mini camps, when everyone else is, sends a Portis-Zorn message that Shanahan cannot have. Why would they even want Haynesorth at the Nose position anyway? Make him a 3-4 DE, and let him attack the backfield. The thought of losing such a dominating player for so little is sickening. The D-line would become as porous as last year's O-line.

There must be much more to this story for Shanahan to even think of giving Albert away. The man is already paid, sounds like he is good as a 3-4 End, make up already. I am a little concerned that Shan may lose some of the confidence of his players. Everyone knows how good he is, these workouts are voluntary, I mean come on.

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I can understand trading one of your best players for an offer you can't refuse. However, to me this still feels like AH is being run out of town (a la McD and Cutler) by the new regime. I guess that if AH shows up this weekend, these rumors would be squash...I don't fully trust JLC's report...but then again you never know. I hope Schefter does some sort of follow up on this.

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[quote=warpaint;688391]I need to hear this from Shefter and Glazer first.

La Confora (how ever you spell it) is trying to create buzz on a hunch.[/quote]

Schefter is close with Shanahan, so typically I'd say you can trust what he's reporting on the Skins. But AH is a huge name. Now that Albert has been paid his bonus, he becomes much more valuable in a trade b/c our potential trading partner won't have to cover that $20M+. Add that to the fact that Shanahan says he will NOT be traded, and you're further upping the asking price.

Everyone knows Schefter is the best media source for all things Shanny. Pure speculation, but I wouldn't be surprised if Shanny said, "hey Adam, float this one for me and I'll make sure you're the first in the media to get juice on the team."

Either way, Albert has flat out robbed the Redskins. If he gets traded, he'll have been paid $32M for 12 games. That's $2.67M per game. LOL. What a shitshow Cerrato and Co were.

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[quote=GMScud;688404]Schefter is close with Shanahan, so typically I'd say you can trust what he's reporting on the Skins. But AH is a huge name. Now that Albert has been paid his bonus, he becomes much more valuable in a trade b/c our potential trading partner won't have to cover that $20M+. Add that to the fact that Shanahan says he will NOT be traded, and you're further upping the asking price.

Everyone knows Schefter is the best media source for all things Shanny. Pure speculation, but I wouldn't be surprised if Shanny said, "hey Adam, float this one for me and I'll make sure you're the first in the media to get juice on the team."

Either way, [B]Albert has flat out robbed the Redskins[/B]. If he gets traded, he'll have been paid $32M for 12 games. That's $2.67M per game. LOL. What a shitshow Cerrato and Co were.[/quote]

I would put it more like the team just flushed all that money into the toilet. Because it was the team's decision to get him at such a high prize, and now the team wants to get rid of him for stupid reasons.

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[quote=Ruhskins;688407]I would put it more like the team just flushed all that money into the toilet. Because it was the team's decision to get him at such a high prize, and now the team wants to get rid of him for stupid reasons.[/quote]

Exactly right.

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[quote=Ruhskins;688407]I would put it more like the team just flushed all that money into the toilet. Because it was the team's decision to get him at such a high prize, and now the team wants to get rid of him for stupid reasons.[/quote]

I don't like AH one bit, but still I'd prefer we trade another player like say Andre Carter, and then just play AH at DE in the 3-4 looks.

And everyone needs to realize that we won't be a full-time 3-4 this year. In fact, if I had to guess, I think 4-3 will still be our base, with occasional 3-4 look thrown in. We just don't have the personnel and draft picks to become a base 3-4 right away. It's got to be a gradual transition.

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[quote=jdc65;688395]
There must be much more to this story for Shanahan to even think of giving Albert away. The man is already paid, sounds like he is good as a 3-4 End, make up already. I am a little concerned that Shan may lose some of the confidence of his players. Everyone knows how good he is, these workouts are voluntary, I mean come on.[/quote]

Even the best make mistakes. Hopefully whatever happens, this won't be one of them.

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[quote=GMScud;688404]Schefter is close with Shanahan, so typically I'd say you can trust what he's reporting on the Skins. But AH is a huge name. Now that Albert has been paid his bonus, he becomes much more valuable in a trade b/c our potential trading partner won't have to cover that $20M+. Add that to the fact that Shanahan says he will NOT be traded, and you're further upping the asking price.

Everyone knows Schefter is the best media source for all things Shanny. Pure speculation, but I wouldn't be surprised if Shanny said, "hey Adam, float this one for me and I'll make sure you're the first in the media to get juice on the team."

[B]Either way, Albert has flat out robbed the Redskins. If he gets traded, he'll have been paid $32M for 12 games. That's $2.67M per game. LOL. What a shitshow Cerrato and Co were[/B].[/quote]

J.Taylor and all of Miami clowned us the year before. Now this could really hurt even more if he was to go back to TN.

I honestly feel AH really wants to go down as, The Badest M-Fer to play the game and his pride wont let him have the word "BUST" attached to his name. He is an ALPHA DOG.

I so agree with you on the unbolded statement.

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[quote=Redskin Warrior;688388]I pulled this info from another site but i can't find the link tho interesting comments nonetheless.

I talked to Jim Haslett and he plans on using me like they did with the Titans. He?s talked to a couple of Titans coaches and former Titans coaches and that?s what he said he?s planning on doing. Just kind of letting me loose and letting me play the game.? Of course, with new coordinators come new changes in how the game is played and Haslett is no different. The type of defense Haslett employs is a 3-4 defense, a defense Haynesworth is not familiar with at all, yet he is open to it looks forward to playing it. ?At first I was a little iffy to it because I?ve never played in the 3-4. I don?t have a clue to how it?s really played. But then I talked to him a little bit and he plans on just playing me in the middle a little bit and at end. I guess I?ll just move around and just wreak havoc; so as long as we?re doing that and I?m not just at one position, I?m fine, I?m fine with it.?[/quote]
That came from this interview:

[URL="http://www.backsportspage.com/beyond-the-athlete/2010/4/9/beyond-the-athlete-albert-haynesworth-part-ii.html"]Beyond the Athlete: Albert Haynesworth Part*II - Beyond The Athlete - Back Sports Page[/URL]

Sounds like they want to run Haynesworth out of town, which is stupid. Sure you want team unity but Haynesworth already had this on the books before any of the Skins plans were underway, the guy was getting ready before anyone even knew what the offseason plan was. He was still going to show up to the voluntary minicamp but I'm guessing that something around the park made him change his mind, he said it was to avoid distraction due to the media access, but who knows.

Chasing him out because he isn't being your whipping boy is stupid. A 2nd rounder isn't good enough for a guy like Haynesworth. People bitching about Haynesworth jerking off are silly since he's been working out for awhile now. It's like a comp security firm being mad that you chose to do an internship with the DoD instead of them and holding that against you when it comes time to get a job.

Dude's gonna play all out this year whether it's with us or not. Looking at his stats on PFF he was number 4 last year, if penalties weren't part of the total ranking he'd be number 2, this is of all NTs and DTs.

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[quote=warpaint;688391]I need to hear this from Shefter and Glazer first.

La Confora (how ever you spell it) is trying to create buzz on a hunch.[/quote]


Then why are sources telling him about us looking at Green as a possible replacement? I tell you what if the Lions do go for AH and still draft Suh we are going to be in a world of hurt in Sept when they play again in Ford Field. I have seen the Skins play the Lions the past 3 games up here in Detroit, and we have only the 2008 win to our credit, and we almost blew that one!!! I hope it is all some sort of hype job, but I don't think it looks good if AH cuts all the voluntary stuff out. Any serious player would want to get a head start learning a new scheme and just hainging out with teammates, learning plays ,etc. Yeah, you can say it is still voluntary, but it is a new scheme, etc. If I was a player I would want a head start boning up on it.

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[quote=warpaint;688411]J.Taylor and all of Miami clowned us the year before. Now this could really hurt even more if he was to go back to TN.

I honestly feel AH really wants to go down as, The Badest M-Fer to play the game and his pride wont let him have the word "BUST" attached to his name. He is an ALPHA DOG.

I so agree with you on the unbolded statement.[/quote]

Yeah, he admits he loves money but that doesn't mean he's going to be fat and lazy. He says he wants to be the best to ever play his position. He felt ashamed of last year because people were saying he wasn't earning his money, he said he'd be doing specialty work in the offseason to make sure that people couldn't say that. He wasn't even as vocal as he could've been about how he was misused and mislead on the team's intentions with him last year.

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[quote=warpaint;688411]J.Taylor and all of Miami clowned us the year before. Now this could really hurt even more if he was to go back to TN.

I honestly feel AH really wants to go down as, The Badest M-Fer to play the game and his pride wont let him have the word "BUST" attached to his name. He is an ALPHA DOG.

I so agree with you on the unbolded statement.[/quote]

It is going to hurt us if AH goes to Detroit even worse. Could you imagine if Detroit gets AH and still drafts Suh? Damn, if I were Favre, I might consider retiring!!!!! AH won't go down a s a bust, but he figures a switch to a 3-4 is going to hurt his chances of being that Alpha Dog sack master.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;688417]Then why are sources telling him about us looking at Green as a possible replacement? I tell you what if the Lions do go for AH and still draft Suh we are going to be in a world of hurt in Sept when they play again in Ford Field. I have seen the Skins play the Lions the past 3 games up here in Detroit, and we have only the 2008 win to our credit, and we almost blew that one!!! I hope it is all some sort of hype job, but I don't think it looks good if AH cuts all the voluntary stuff out. Any serious player would want to get a head start learning a new scheme and just hainging out with teammates, learning plays ,etc. Yeah, you can say it is still voluntary, but it is a new scheme, etc. If I was a player I would want a head start boning up on it.[/quote]
Yeah I was there last year and in the pisser when Moss scored.. horrible game for me

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Wow, this is a tough one...at this point they have to trade him seeing as though the bridges are burned beyond repair. I really don't like the fact that they are forcing the 3-4 even though our personnel is so clearly better suited to the 4-3...its a little early to doubt the Shanahan/Allen combo but....

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[quote=tryfuhl;688420]Yeah I was there last year and in the pisser when Moss scored.. horrible game for me[/quote]


At least you didn't run into Big Ben in the bathroom...