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Talk about must see TV:
[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft10/columns/story?id=5033690]NFL: ESPN analyst Jon Gruden evaluated NFL QB prospects Sam Bradford, Colt McCoy, Jimmy Clausen and Tim Tebow during workouts in Tampa, Fla. - ESPN[/url]

Colt McCoy, Tim Tebow, Jimmy Clausen, and Sam Bradford all get yelled at, err critiqued by Gruden. Use the video playlist located under the videos to see the different QB's

A couple of notes:
- Gruden gets on Bradford about his horrible sliding ability
- Colt McCoy's "Southern Drawl"
- Tim Tebow shows why he's a bad ass when asked what he brings to the team.
- Haven't seen the Jimmy Clausen video yet.

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I saw a few minutes of this the other night, definitely great stuff

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It'll all be on ESPN tonight at 7pm as well

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This is the equivalent of sports porn for me. Watching the coach and QB break down film is going to be awesome.. The Clausen preview piece this morning was pretty indicative as to why I didn't want Clausen anywhere near us. His footwork was sloppy on one play (a TD pass) and Gruden asked him why. He nonchalantly said, 'I guess I just got lazy on that one.' like it wasn't a big deal. Gruden ripped him accordingly. On another play where there was a miscommunication he blamed the WR rather than saying that he needs to do a better job of reading the WR and making faster decisions. Even if it's BS you are on camera blaming a teammate for an interception. I'm sure that will raise red flags all over.

*EDIT-As I was saying... [url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/04/15/clausens-segment-with-gruden-hints-at-a-leadership-flaw/]Clausen's segment with Gruden hints at a leadership flaw | ProFootballTalk.com[/url] *

Sorry for the side rant but I can't wait to watch this.

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I wouldn't be mad if we picked up Tebo as a project behind McNabb. His attitude, intensity and work ethic I believe if cultivated right would make a tremendous QB. I think now that we have a QB like McNabb we can pursue a project like Tebow for the future.

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[quote=SmootSmack;688533]It'll all be on ESPN tonight at 7pm as well[/quote]

Wait, so that means there's more of this? That's awesome.

[quote=Paintrain;688566]This is the equivalent of sports porn for me. Watching the coach and QB break down film is going to be awesome.. The Clausen preview piece this morning was pretty indicative as to why I didn't want Clausen anywhere near us. His footwork was sloppy on one play (a TD pass) and Gruden asked him why. He nonchalantly said, 'I guess I just got lazy on that one.' like it wasn't a big deal. Gruden ripped him accordingly. On another play where there was a miscommunication he blamed the WR rather than saying that he needs to do a better job of reading the WR and making faster decisions. Even if it's BS you are on camera blaming a teammate for an interception. I'm sure that will raise red flags all over.

*EDIT-As I was saying... [url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/04/15/clausens-segment-with-gruden-hints-at-a-leadership-flaw/]Clausen's segment with Gruden hints at a leadership flaw | ProFootballTalk.com[/url] *

Sorry for the side rant but I can't wait to watch this.[/quote]


Really, I thought Clausen was the best one behind Tebow according to the preview. I mean to me that willingness to study film is huge for me. McCoy did the worse because Gruden really got him rattled, though I did like his answer to how he was going to gain command of the huddle. Bradford was pretty non-chalant but I felt that Gruden was easiest on him.

Tebow's reverse though of asking Gruden "do you want me on your team" was freaking classic. Of course as I now know all of this is just based on the preview.

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I'm loving this. I've always been a big fan of Jon Gruden, and he loves Tebow, so these segments are right up my alley. The clip of him and McCoy was classic. He totally dogs him. I was laughing out loud.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;688579]Wait, so that means there's more of this? That's awesome.




Really, I thought Clausen was the best one behind Tebow according to the preview. I mean to me that willingness to study film is huge for me. McCoy did the worse because Gruden really got him rattled, though I did like his answer to how he was going to gain command of the huddle. Bradford was pretty non-chalant but I felt that Gruden was easiest on him.

Tebow's reverse though of asking Gruden "do you want me on your team" was freaking classic. Of course as I now know all of this is just based on the preview.[/quote]

I missed the McCoy preview but I'm sure it will all be included tonight.

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This stuff is certainly made with win. "Sports porn" I love it!

Good stuff.

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[quote=Paintrain;688566]This is the equivalent of sports porn for me. Watching the coach and QB break down film is going to be awesome.. The Clausen preview piece this morning was pretty indicative as to why I didn't want Clausen anywhere near us. His footwork was sloppy on one play (a TD pass) and Gruden asked him why. He nonchalantly said, 'I guess I just got lazy on that one.' like it wasn't a big deal. Gruden ripped him accordingly. On another play where there was a miscommunication he blamed the WR rather than saying that he needs to do a better job of reading the WR and making faster decisions. Even if it's BS you are on camera blaming a teammate for an interception. I'm sure that will raise red flags all over.

*EDIT-As I was saying... [URL="http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/04/15/clausens-segment-with-gruden-hints-at-a-leadership-flaw/"]Clausen's segment with Gruden hints at a leadership flaw | ProFootballTalk.com[/URL] *

Sorry for the side rant but I can't wait to watch this.[/quote]

Agreed about Jimmy Clausen. He just REEKS of douchebaggery. I want ZERO part of that kid.

I've heard all kinds of stuff about this kid. Pictures of him participating in the "Beer Olympics" when still underage, showing up at Notre Dame as a freshman in a limo wearing a fur coat, I heard his family was a nightmare with the boosters, demanding 40 tickets a game for friends, etc etc. Hell, he got punched in a the face outside of a restaurant in South Bend by a Notre Dame fan!! LOL!!

I just can't stand him. I will be legitimately angry if he somehow ends up a Redskin.

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[quote=GMScud;688603]Agreed about Jimmy Clausen. He just REEKS of douchebaggery. I want ZERO part of that kid.

I've heard all kinds of stuff about this kid. Pictures of him participating in the "Beer Olympics" when still underage, showing up at Notre Dame as a freshman in a limo wearing a fur coat, I heard his family was a nightmare with the boosters, demanding 40 tickets a game for friends, etc etc. Hell, he got punched in a the face outside of a restaurant in South Bend by a Notre Dame fan!! LOL!!

I just can't stand him. I will be legitimately [B]angry[/B] if he somehow ends up a Redskin.[/quote]


There can be only one, but you can sure as hell be pissed off.

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[quote=GMScud;688603]Agreed about Jimmy Clausen. He just REEKS of douchebaggery. I want ZERO part of that kid.

I've heard all kinds of stuff about this kid. Pictures of him participating in the "Beer Olympics" when still underage, showing up at Notre Dame as a freshman in a limo wearing a fur coat, I heard his family was a nightmare with the boosters, demanding 40 tickets a game for friends, etc etc. Hell, he got punched in a the face outside of a restaurant in South Bend by a Notre Dame fan!! LOL!!

I just can't stand him. I will be legitimately angry if he somehow ends up a Redskin.[/quote]

Most of that is from when he was a Freshman and Sophmore. Personally the difference for me between my Freshman year and now is like night and day. Without telling to much I will say that I tried A LOT of stuff when I first got to college. I was partying at least 3 days a week with more then just alcohol. Making out with random girls, skipping class, etc.

Today I don't even drink, I only use my Adderall on as need basis and rarely use caffeine (maybe a 5 hour energy once or twice a month). On top of that I have no desire to drink anytime in the near future. My brother went through a relatively similar situation as a colleigate athlete, though not nearly as crazy as I was and today it's safe to say that the only thing in his system might be caffine. He to gave up drinking a while ago himself. Granted this is just my own experience and based on a limited scope but my point is that it's not inconceivable that Clausen could have had his own turnaround and based on what I've heard from Notre Dame students thats what seems to have happened. I guess at Notre Dame you would call it a "coming to Jesus" moment.

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[quote=GMScud;688603]Agreed about Jimmy Clausen. He just REEKS of douchebaggery. I want ZERO part of that kid.

I've heard all kinds of stuff about this kid. [B]Pictures of him participating in the "Beer Olympics" when still underage[/B], showing up at Notre Dame as a freshman in a limo wearing a fur coat, I heard his family was a nightmare with the boosters, demanding 40 tickets a game for friends, etc etc. Hell, he got punched in a the face outside of a restaurant in South Bend by a Notre Dame fan!! LOL!!

I just can't stand him. I will be legitimately angry if he somehow ends up a Redskin.[/quote]

That's about the only thing I can take issue with. What college kid didn't drink while underage? I mean, I don't think that's indicative of anything. Talk about his attitude/leadership ability/skill level all you want, but I can't take issue with a kid enjoying college.

I know, he should be smarter and he should probably be held to a higher standard, but we're talking about a 19 year old whose only mistake was, really, getting caught on camera. I don't like him 1 bit, but I feel like he got unfairly ripped for drinking underage.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;688605]Most of that is from when he was a Freshman and Sophmore. Personally the difference for me between my Freshman year and now is like night and day. Without telling to much I will say that I tried A LOT of stuff when I first got to college. I was partying at least 3 days a week with more then just alcohol. Making out with random girls, skipping class, etc.

Today I don't even drink, I only use my Adderall on as need basis and rarely use caffeine (maybe a 5 hour energy once or twice a month). On top of that I have no desire to drink anytime in the near future. My brother went through a relatively similar situation as a colleigate athlete, though not nearly as crazy as I was and today it's safe to say that the only thing in his system might be caffine. He to gave up drinking a while ago himself. Granted this is just my own experience and based on a limited scope but my point is that it's not inconceivable that Clausen could have had his own turnaround and based on what I've heard from Notre Dame students thats what seems to have happened. I guess at Notre Dame you would call it a "coming to Jesus" moment.[/quote]

Yeah I mean I did my share of stupid ish during my college years as well, and I know that people grow up. I just cannot stand this kid. I can't really put my finger on any one reason. I don't wish ill on the guy, but I want zero part of him as a Washington Redskin.

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[quote=jdlea;688606]That's about the only thing I can take issue with. What college kid didn't drink while underage? I mean, I don't think that's indicative of anything. Talk about his attitude/leadership ability/skill level all you want, but I can't take issue with a kid enjoying college.

I know, he should be smarter and he should probably be held to a higher standard, but we're talking about a 19 year old whose only mistake was, really, getting caught on camera. I don't like him 1 bit, but I feel like he got unfairly ripped for drinking underage.[/quote]

He and his entire family (brothers and parents) are super-arrogant, and flaunted Jimmy's athletic prowess at every turn. If you're going to put yourself out there as the "Kid with the Golden Arm," then how about you don't pose for pictures at 19 years old in the Beer Olympics. Like you said, he should be held to a higher standard, especially when you've been pimping yourself as a stud. If you wanted to be treated with a higher standard, then hold yourself to one. You don't see that stuff coming out with Tebow, Bradford, and McCoy.

Again, I simply can't stand this little D-bag (not you Dirtbag :) )

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[quote=SmootSmack;688533]It'll all be on ESPN tonight at 7pm as well[/quote]

Is the stuff tonight at 7 different then what is in the video's online now?

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[quote=Dirtbag359;688605]Most of that is from when he was a Freshman and Sophmore. Personally the difference for me between my Freshman year and now is like night and day. Without telling to much I will say that I tried A LOT of stuff when I first got to college. I was partying at least 3 days a week with more then just alcohol. Making out with random girls, skipping class, etc.

Today I don't even drink, I only use my Adderall on as need basis and rarely use caffeine (maybe a 5 hour energy once or twice a month). On top of that I have no desire to drink anytime in the near future. My brother went through a relatively similar situation as a colleigate athlete, though not nearly as crazy as I was and today it's safe to say that the only thing in his system might be caffine. He to gave up drinking a while ago himself. Granted this is just my own experience and based on a limited scope but my point is that [B]it's not inconceivable that Clausen could have had his own turnaround and based on what I've heard from Notre Dame students thats what seems to have happened. I guess at Notre Dame you would call it a "coming to Jesus" moment.[/B][/quote]
Not buying it.
He's an Emu looking, speedo rocking duche, that bangs fat chicks, and gets beat up by his own team's fans. AKA: A Cowboy!!

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[quote=GMScud;688612]He and his entire family (brothers and parents) are super-arrogant, and flaunted Jimmy's athletic prowess at every turn. If you're going to put yourself out there as the "Kid with the Golden Arm," then how about you don't pose for pictures at 19 years old in the Beer Olympics. Like you said, he should be held to a higher standard, especially when you've been pimping yourself as a stud. If you wanted to be treated with a higher standard, then hold yourself to one. You don't see that stuff coming out with Tebow, Bradford, and McCoy.

Again, I simply can't stand this little D-bag (not you Dirtbag :) )[/quote]

No offense taken, lol.

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This was amazing ... I wish more coaches did stuff like this

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[quote=GMScud;688612]He and his entire family (brothers and parents) are super-arrogant, and flaunted Jimmy's athletic prowess at every turn. If you're going to put yourself out there as the "Kid with the Golden Arm," then how about you don't pose for pictures at 19 years old in the Beer Olympics. Like you said, he should be held to a higher standard, especially when you've been pimping yourself as a stud. If you wanted to be treated with a higher standard, then hold yourself to one. You don't see that stuff coming out with Tebow, Bradford, and McCoy.

Again, I simply can't stand this little D-bag (not you Dirtbag :) )[/quote]

Dude, get over yourself, most kids that went to college drank while they were underage. You are on the Tebow bandwagon big time, so I guess by your comments you must be a bible thumper as well. You can have all of the heart that you want, but Tebow doesn't have the ability. Talk shit about Clausen all you want, hate on him whatever b/c all you've done is bash the guy. He will be a good QB in the NFL and Tebow will be a bust. I can't wait until this damn draft is over, so I can quit hearing all of this BS about Tebow and everyone bashing Clausen.

If you watch the Clausen video, at the end Gruden says that he will have a very nice career and he's ahead of the game. He is talented athletically and is a beast in the film room. I hope he gets a shot with a team that actually has a little talent, so that he will have a legit shot.

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To the people ripping Clausen...when did he blame the receiver? He said that there was miscommunication between the two of them and when Gruden asked who is going to get the blame, Clausen said the quarterback...I don't know if that is indicative of douchebaggery

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Also, read the comments at the bottom of the article. Everyone agrees that they are reading way too much into that BS.

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[quote=murphy196;688630]Dude, get over yourself, most kids that went to college drank while they were underage. You are on the Tebow bandwagon big time, so I guess by your comments you must be a bible thumper as well. You can have all of the heart that you want, but Tebow doesn't have the ability. Talk shit about Clausen all you want, hate on him whatever b/c all you've done is bash the guy. He will be a good QB in the NFL and Tebow will be a bust. I can't wait until this damn draft is over, so I can quit hearing all of this BS about Tebow and everyone bashing Clausen.

If you watch the Clausen video, at the end Gruden says that he will have a very nice career and he's ahead of the game. He is talented athletically and is a beast in the film room. I hope he gets a shot with a team that actually has a little talent, so that he will have a legit shot.[/quote]
Get over myself? Lol. Whatever you say pal. I said I personally don't like Clausen. Did I say anywhere that he doesn't have talent or will stink in the pros? And because I like Tebow it means I'm a bible thumper? Get a clue buddy. And yes, I will hate on Clausen all I want. Don't need your permission for that.

I just said I want no part of Clausen and I don't like him.

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[quote=murphy196;688630]Dude, get over yourself, most kids that went to college drank while they were underage. You are on the Tebow bandwagon big time, so I guess by your comments you must be a bible thumper as well. You can have all of the heart that you want, but Tebow doesn't have the ability. Talk shit about Clausen all you want, hate on him whatever b/c all you've done is bash the guy. He will be a good QB in the NFL and Tebow will be a bust. I can't wait until this damn draft is over, so I can quit hearing all of this BS about Tebow and everyone bashing Clausen.

If you watch the Clausen video, at the end Gruden says that he will have a very nice career and he's ahead of the game. He is talented athletically and is a beast in the film room. I hope he gets a shot with a team that actually has a little talent, so that he will have a legit shot.[/quote]
Why the love for Clausen, especially now that he almost definitely will not be a Redskin? Notre Dame fan?
Just curious, as I have expressed my personal dislike of him many times, you have defended him.

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[quote=Redskin Jim;688616]Not buying it.
He's an Emu looking, speedo rocking duche, that bangs fat chicks, and gets beat up by his own team's fans. AKA: A Cowboy!![/quote]

Brilliant!!

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[quote=GMScud;688652]Get over myself? Lol. Whatever you say pal. I said I personally don't like Clausen. Did I say anywhere that he doesn't have talent or will stink in the pros? And because I like Tebow it means I'm a bible thumper? Get a clue buddy. And yes, I will hate on Clausen all I want. Don't need your permission for that.

I just said I want no part of Clausen and I don't like him.[/quote]

You're referencing the guy drinking when he was 19, WHO CARES? I'm just sick of you getting on here talking trash about the kid. You are an IDIOT, THE END!

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[quote=murphy196;688655]You're referencing the guy drinking when he was 19, WHO CARES? I'm just sick of you getting on here talking trash about the kid. You are an IDIOT, THE END![/quote]

Woah calm down! No need to call him an idiot just because you disagree. You make it sound like Scud is only on here to talk trash about Clausen

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[quote=murphy196;688655]You're referencing the guy drinking when he was 19, WHO CARES? I'm just sick of you getting on here talking trash about the kid. You are an IDIOT, THE END![/quote]

Clausen is a gigantic douche. You resemble that comment. Haha. I could care less what you're sick of. You still have yet to say why he's NOT a little dbag. Stop crying for little Jimmy, please. It's not very flattering.

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[quote=SmootSmack;688660]Woah calm down! No need to call him an idiot just because you disagree. [B]You make it sound like Scud is only on here to talk trash about Clausen[/B][/quote]

He is :( Scud no like Jimmy. Scud called Jimmy a fat head and and notthetypethatyouputonthewall *gasp* buttheotherkind.

[quote=Redskin Jim;688653][B]Why the love for Clausen, especially now that he almost definitely will not be a Redskin? [/B]Notre Dame fan?
Just curious, as I have expressed my personal dislike of him many times, you have defended him.[/quote]

Just because he's no longer going to be Redskin doesn't mean you should change your opinion on him. If anything a change in opinion should be hearing something different from what you think based on what you see and what you hear from experts you respect.

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:lol:

We will see who the best NFL QB will be, Clausen or Tebow.

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[quote=murphy196;688665]:lol:

We will see who the best NFL QB will be, Clausen or Tebow.[/quote]

I never once turned this into a tebow vs clausen argument. But yeah, I'm the idiot. Fail.

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Times like these make me wish that we still had the Rep system to abuse.

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[quote=Angry;688671]Times like these make me wish that we still had the Rep system to abuse.[/quote]

Yeah, I have nothing against you but I would have constantly given you negative feedback. That way the long red bar would fit with your screenname and people would know not to mess with you.

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[quote=murphy196;688665]:lol:

We will see who the best NFL QB will be, Clausen or Tebow.[/quote]
I think as far as immediately, that's a no- brainer. I don't know about down the road 4-5 years though. I think with Tebow's drive and work ethic he might be able to elevate his game to be a solid NFL QB. I do believe he is a long way from there now.
Clausen on the other hand is by all accounts more prepared to play QB right now in the NFL. I do think that he still has alot of work and improvement to do as any rookie does. I also tend to think with his "leadership" issues, AKA ducheyness, he may not be able to settle into a leadership role in the NFL.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;688673]Yeah, I have nothing against you but I would have constantly given you negative feedback. That way the long red bar would fit with your screenname and people would know not to mess with you.[/quote]

Oh yeah, that would just make conversation with me even more inviting.

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Clausen may be a douche, but he's got that swagger you look for in a QB. He just needs to continue to mature a bit.

Somebody is going to get a good QB.

Tebow has that squeaky clean thing going on that is equally as annoying as Clausen's douchebag qualities. Just the opposite end of the spectrum.

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[quote=Mattyk;688698]Clausen may be a douche, but he's got that swagger you look for in a QB. He just needs to continue to mature a bit.

Somebody is going to get a good QB.

Tebow has that squeaky clean thing going on that is equally as annoying as Clausen's douchebag qualities. Just the opposite end of the spectrum.[/quote]

Tebow's squeaky clean qualities may be annoying, but they certainly are not detrimental to a team sport. Clausen's crap on the other hand...

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[quote=GMScud;688715][B]Tebow's squeaky clean qualities may be annoying, but they certainly are not detrimental to a team sport[/B]. Clausen's crap on the other hand...[/quote]

They are detrimental to a team when that team wastes a high draft pick on a worthless player.

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[quote=GMScud;688715]Tebow's squeaky clean qualities may be annoying, but they certainly are not detrimental to a team sport. Clausen's crap on the other hand...[/quote]

Both will have their fans and naysayers, internally and externally.

Tebow's squeaky clean image and bible thumping will rub some people the wrong way, guaranteed. We've already seen what a polarizing figure he is and he's not even drafted yet.

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[quote=GMScud;688662]Clausen is a gigantic douche. You resemble that comment. Haha. I could care less what you're sick of. [B]You still have yet to say why he's NOT a little dbag.[/B] Stop crying for little Jimmy, please. It's not very flattering.[/quote]- He was unanimously voted a captain at ND his Junior season.
- Golden Tate and other ND receivers supported him at his personal workout when they didn't have to, especially Tate. He had a great combine and ND Pro Day, he had nothing to gain from supporting Clausen.
- Yes, he looks like an emu. But hey, everyone has to have some flaw.
- Based on the comments on this board about Campbell, if he had gone out to bars in the DC area after a few games this year he probably would've gotten punched too.
- Speedo picture.....well Photoshop is not always a good thing.
-Is there a quote from a teammate or coach at ND questioning his leadership abilities? "Unnamed sources" don't count.
- Kiper has great inside access at the college level, if he had heard any of this stuff from a reliable source, he would've pulled back on his assessment of him.