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I was just reading the ESPN rumors and this came up today at 7:54am :

[I]This has been an offseason of big changes for the Washington Redskins. New GM, new coach, new defense, new QB, two new former Pro Bowlers in the backfield. The next week could maintain that sense of change, as there are now at least three potential trades lurking leading up to the draft on Thursday. We've already digested the rumors related to Albert Haynesworth and Jason Campbell, but can now add OLB Rocky McIntosh to the rumor mill as well.

Jason Reid of the Washington Post reports that while McIntosh would not officially confirm that he has demanded a trade, his answer to the trade-oriented query tells us everything we need to know. "Ah, that's between me and them," he said, when asked about the trade demand. "I'm going to keep that private. You can probably answer that better than I can. Let's just say I hope the situation will be resolved soon."

In order for a trade to be processed, McIntosh will have to sign his one-year, $1.759 million RFA tender.[/I]


I never thought Rocky was very good, so I wouldn't care too much. Maybe they are planning to replace him already and that is why he is requesting a trade?

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I think its because he thinks he got shafted being given a tender instead of signed to a more lucrative extension. From what i've been reading he sounds like he's produced and been a good enough player and now he's throwing a hissy fit. Unfortunately 150+ other guys went through the same raw deal as restricted free agency with the CBA gone. I don't see all of them doing the same thing though. It's part of the business. You get paid enough as it is. Shut up and be a team player. If that's how he feels I'm glad. I only want players here that want to be here.

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It is going to be a wild week leading up to the Draft. I am really looking forward to seeing how things pan out for the Skins.

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I agree with Skinzwin on this one...I really like that Shanahan is making such a concentrated effort to only keep guys who really want to be here. While that may mean some bickering and pouting early on, in the long run it's what is best for the team that should hold priority

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Loyal readers of the Warpath have known since Feb. that he's on the block

I've never know what to think of Rocky, some games he's great others I can't believe how easily he gets run over.

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ESPN is always so far behind when it comes to the Skins. The Washington Post insider's reported this about a week ago.

I agree with the other guys on the forum. Shut up and play or sign the tender. I mean Rocky is by no means the best RFA out there and yet he is the one whining about getting a contract. I don't see him signing much of a contract wherever he goes.

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;689603]ESPN is always so far behind when it comes to the Skins. The Washington Post insider's reported this about a week ago.

I agree with the other guys on the forum. Shut up and play or sign the tender. I mean Rocky is by no means the best RFA out there and yet he is the one whining about getting a contract. I don't see him signing much of a contract wherever he goes.[/quote]

I guarantee ESPN talked about this possibility several weeks ago. All they did here was say WaPo Insider was saying the same thing now.

But anyway, the bottom line is he's on the trading block and he might just be that extra chip to get Brown from the Saints.

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We Traded up in a desperate move to draft LB McIntosh that year. And he has been solid considering injuries endured at the college level. Why trade him when you'd have to replace him? He's young and has earned an extension. Not a lucrative contract but, yes an extension.

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like ss said he is a middle of the pack player, i really wouldn't care if we traded him, i've always though he was a bit over hyped, i just hope we get something decent for him since we used our first pick of the draft to get him, is there any chance we could get a 5th for him?

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I like Rocky but he's nothing more than an average to decent LB. Probably not an ideal fit in this new system either.

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Getting rid of all these guys means you have to replace them with people that are at the very least just as good.

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I'd like to think we can trade Campbell, Haynesworth and Rocky. Maybe even Landry. But I don't want to get my hopes up that we'll net anything meaningful in return.

Campbell might net a 4th or 5th, Rocky a 5th, Landry a 4th or 5th. What does that really get us in return? I know this is supposed to be a deep draft but that doesn't mean every player in the draft is a 1st round talent.

The Lions or Titans may be willing to give a 2 for Haynesworth, that could buy a pretty good offensive lineman. But outside of that I'm not counting on getting much in return for these guys, even if we're able to move them.

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[quote=Schneed10;689621]I'd like to think we can trade Campbell, Haynesworth and Rocky. Maybe even Landry. But I don't want to get my hopes up that we'll net anything meaningful in return.

Campbell might net a 4th or 5th, Rocky a 5th, Landry a 4th or 5th. What does that really get us in return? I know this is supposed to be a deep draft but that doesn't mean every player in the draft is a 1st round talent.

The Lions or Titans may be willing to give a 2 for Haynesworth, that could buy a pretty good offensive lineman. But outside of that I'm not counting on getting much in return for these guys, even if we're able to move them.[/quote]

if the Broncos can trade Marshall for 2 2nd round picks, I would expect the same for Haynesworth.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;689623]if the Broncos can trade Marshall for 2 2nd round picks, I would expect the same for Haynesworth.[/quote]

Then I think you'll be disappointed. Haynesworth is 28, Marshall 26. Marshall has 3 tremendous seasons in a row. Haynesworth had 2 all-pro seasons, and then last year one very underwhelming one.

So even though Marshall was disgruntled in Denver, he was putting up tremendous numbers even while disgruntled. Haynesworth is disgruntled and didn't play up to his contract last year.

I think the Lions and Titans are the market for Haynesworth at this point, because they know him. But I don't think we'll get two 2nds.

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[quote=Schneed10;689625]Then I think you'll be disappointed. Haynesworth is 28, Marshall 26. Marshall has 3 tremendous seasons in a row. Haynesworth had 2 all-pro seasons, and then last year one very underwhelming one.

So even though Marshall was disgruntled in Denver, he was putting up tremendous numbers even while disgruntled. Haynesworth is disgruntled and didn't play up to his contract last year.

I think the Lions and Titans are the market for Haynesworth at this point, because they know him. But I don't think we'll get two 2nds.[/quote]

I guess we'll see. 2 years are not much of a difference, didn't Haynesworth help Orakpo and Carter get double digit numbers in sacks? If we can't get 2 2nd rounder, then the FO better rethink on repairing this relationship, quick. Paying for another Vinnism.

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What would Rocky be worth? We gave up picks to get him and now we are "possibly" shopping him? His play has been middle of the pack.

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I think the best we can probably hope for is to package him up with another player, on his own I don't see a team giving up much to get him.

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Reading Mel Kippers article from the Washington Post, it looks like there is Haynesworth, Campbell, Rocky, and Laundry all on the trading block. I just hope we end up with at least 7 or 8 picks someway.

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[quote=diehard;689608]We Traded up in a desperate move to draft LB McIntosh that year. And he has been solid considering injuries endured at the college level. Why trade him when you'd have to replace him? He's young and has earned an extension. Not a lucrative contract but, yes an extension.[/quote]

maybe we feel we can get a 2nd rounder for him..??? maybe get somebody like Spikes??? Not sure.

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A 2nd for Rocky?

Not gonna happen.

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Rocky is a good enough NFL linebacker, but I can't necessarily see a team that he would go to and start for, which limits his trade value.

If we released him, he'd get signed pretty quickly, but not for too much more than his tender offer.

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[quote=Mattyk;689645]A 2nd for Rocky?

Not gonna happen.[/quote]

Yup, not even close. I'd say more like a 5th.

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While I'm sure plenty of teams value Rocky at a 5th round pick, I doubt that any team will be willing to pull the trigger at that price. He's not getting an extension from that team, so what they are essentially getting at the price is a one year contract with a CBA dependent option for a second year.

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[quote=Mattyk;689645]A 2nd for Rocky?

Not gonna happen.[/quote]
So, what exactly do you expect from a 2nd round draft pick? Obviously you don't think a 4th or later round draft pick will best him.

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So who are we looking at as a possible trade partner. Only team I can think of is the Saints. Maybe the Eagles if we want to keep this "all in the division" thing going.

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[quote=diehard;689651]So, what exactly do you expect from a 2nd round draft pick? Obviously you don't think a 4th or later round draft pick will best him.[/quote]Might or might not, but when you make that draft pick, it comes with 4+ cheap years, and when you trade for Rocky, you get one. Which is the reason that if we shopped Rocky to all 31 teams, 27 would say they aren't interested in him at any price.

With the remaining 4 teams, it's all about deciding if the price they are going to give you is worth not having Rocky on the roster for this year. If the best offer you get is a seventh rounder...maybe you don't do that. Maybe you do. We will see.

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You guys are doing what this team has done for years... undervaluing your own players. That's a big mistake, for McIntosh and Campbell are solid value for their play on and off the field.

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[quote=diehard;689656]You guys are doing what this team has done for years... undervaluing your own players. That's a big mistake, for McIntosh and Campbell are solid value for their play on and off the field.[/quote]Well, I would argue that 1) you are correct, and that 2) this is Mike Shanahan's shortcoming.

This is also why I predict Rocky McIntosh will not be traded: we can't a nice return for him, so why not just let him play out the season here as (if nothing else) a nickel defender who can replace Fletch on third downs.

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[quote=diehard;689656]You guys are doing what this team has done for years... undervaluing your own players. That's a big mistake, for McIntosh and Campbell are solid value for their play on and off the field.[/quote]

This is opposed to what other team fans do with asking for second and third round picks for guys who we've never heard of. I mean if you think our bad you should see all the wonderful "forum offers" for Cooley that are out there from fans of other teams. It's like random player A, random player B, and a 4th round pick. Maybe we'll get lucky but I'm proud that our fan base is straying away from thinking like they're playing Madden. God knows they do it in so many other areas.

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[quote=diehard;689651]So, what exactly do you expect from a 2nd round draft pick? Obviously you don't think a 4th or later round draft pick will best him.[/quote]

I'm guessing he's a 5th round value, at best.

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keep him we cant afford any more needs at this point.

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Come on now Rocky is not even an average NFL LB. I would trade him ,but what are we going to get for him, a 5th rounder? I can see getting a 4th rounder at best for Rocky. He isn't all that bad, but it is a stretch to even call him average still.

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[quote=redskinjim;689664]keep him we cant afford any more needs at this point.[/quote]


Simple trade for a lower round pick. WE can get a LB that is learned in the 3-4 scheme.

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Rocky is mediocre and the second he signs an extended contract he will blow his knee out for the third time. Get that guy outta here. I would be happy with a sixth rounder.

The linebacker position in the NFL is quite simply the easiest hole to fill on any NFL roster.

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I'd like to work out a deal with the Raiders for Kirk Morrison and Thomas Howard. Apparently both are on the trading block.

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[quote=wilsowilso;689676]The linebacker position in the NFL is quite simply the easiest hole to fill on any NFL roster.[/quote]

If it's really easy to fill -- I wish they would have gotten some good linebackers then. Fletcher has been it for us. We've been short good linebackers for a while, and have used defensive ends to fill it. I guess it's different now with the 3-4 since orakpo, etc. can stay there & sometimes rush the QB.

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To be honest, I don't really get the point of trading anyone but Campbell. The rest of them are starters on the team, and we're not gonna get value for them. I just dont see the point in trading Landry or McIntosh for a 4th or 5th round pick that maybe will make the roster.

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Campbell also has the most trade value with the least value to us. The only one who might have more trade value is Landry, and any team looking for Landry is probably searching for a "buy low" option anyway.

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[quote=Gmanc711;689695]To be honest, I don't really get the point of trading anyone but Campbell. The rest of them are starters on the team, and we're not gonna get value for them. I just dont see the point in trading Landry or McIntosh for a 4th or 5th round pick that maybe will make the roster.[/quote]

Bingo. Hit the nail on the head. Where are all these jr. trade gurus coming from.
They want to trade half the roster to get draft picks. What are draft picks? They are college students. Get real boys.
Rocky M is NOT an all pro but he is a good linebacker. Not great. Good. Not gonna get that with a 4th or 5th round pick. Just a special teams player.

Albert is the best defensive tackle in the universe and if he comes into camp motivated to show everybody that they are wrong, then look out.

Landy is a solid strong safety. Its not his fault that an idiot played him out of position all last year. Heck, if you played Santana Moss at linebacker, I guess after 1 game you would want to cut him. Not there fault we had idiots for coaches last year. Orakpo covering receivers...Landry covering instead of tackling...and Fred Davis sitting on the bench for the first half of the year instead of using 2 tight end formations. Not there fault we had idiot coaches.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;689683]I'd like to work out a deal with the Raiders for Kirk Morrison and Thomas Howard. Apparently both are on the trading block.[/quote]

If they'd take Rocky in return, that is a good idea. I always wanted us to have Thomas Howard anyway.