PFT: Predict Skins To Take Trent Williams
 

According to PFT, the top 5 is coming into focus and the Skins will take Trent Williams (OT).

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Top five coming into focus

Posted by Mike Florio on April 20, 2010 9:35 AM ET
On Sunday, it appeared that the first five picks in the 2010 draft could unfold in several different ways.

Now, with the draft little more than two days away, it's getting clearer.

Here are the first four names we think we'll hear on Thursday night:

(1) Sam Bradford

(2) Ndamukong Suh

(3) Gerald McCoy

(4) Trent Williams.

At No. 5, it's unclear what will happen.

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I pray PFT is right this time.

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but but OKUNGGGGGGGGGGGG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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This is a head scratcher here reminds me of Deja Vu

Trent Williams = Heyward-Bey
Russell Okung = Michael Crabtree

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I think the idea is that Okung is more polished but Williams has more raw athletic talent. Also, there are some clear points on film where he (Okung) was beaten by less than stellar defensive ends.

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[quote=rbanerjee23;690426]I think the idea is that Okung is more polished but Williams has more raw athletic talent. Also, there are some clear points on film where he (Okung) was beaten by less than stellar defensive ends.[/quote]

Don't take this as a challenge but I'd be very interested in seeing this. All the "film" I've seen on Okung make him look like a demi-god.

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People think that Williams can't play LT because he struggled in his first game last year and Bradford got hurt. But if you watch Williams' progress throughout the season you'll see that he improved at LT (plus he's played at RT and some C) so he's very versatile and extremely athletic. Okung, not so much.

What you get out of Okung now could be pretty much what you'll get for the next decade. And that's not a bad thing. But when you see Williams you could be getting a guy who maybe "struggles" a bit early, but then totally takes off...or totally collapses.

I can see the Redskins taking Okung at #4. But I've gotten no sense that they really value him that high. But without a 2nd round pick right now (and until the Brown trade becomes official...or not), they may have no choice but to value Okung that high

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In the Pro Football Draft Guide 2010 the said TW (Trent Williams) is short with short arms that's the only magazine that said this, is there any truth to it.

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Let's compare both to Chris Samuels, whom I believe would have been a great OT in Shanahan's zone blocking scheme. Do either of these guys have similar athletic ability? I will trust that Allen/Shanahan will make the right call, but if we draft the raw talent (Williams), and he flames out, we'll be gnashing our teeth once again over another blown top-5 pick. I'd feel much better going for the safer pick (Okung) this high in the draft, but that's just me.

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;690439]In the Pro Football Draft Guide 2010 the said TW (Trent Williams) is short with short arms that's the only magazine that said this, is there any truth to it.[/quote]
from NFL.com combine events:
Trent Williams
Height:
6'5"
*
Weight:
315 lbs.
*
Arm Length:
34 1/4 in.
*
Hand Size:
9 3/4 in.


Russell Okung
Height:
6'5"
*
Weight:
307 lbs.
*
Arm Length:
36 in.
*
Hand Size:
10 1/2 in.

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^^ thanks for the info.

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First of all nothing is written in stone. Are we taking Trent Williams before or after we take Okung and before or after we take Sam Bradford or is it right after we take Jimmy Clausen or Eric Berry.

My Gawd it seems like the Skins are predicted to take every player in the draft, so why are you guys even bothering to get flustered over the Skins drafting a name on a piece of paper. Hasn't happened yet. Cry and raise your blood pressure AFTER the pick has been taken.

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^^ you're absolutely right but this website exists to agonize over decisions that may yet be months away lol

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Trent Williams stock has kind of soared. I still want to believe Okung is 'better'.

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[quote=internetcareer;690645]First of all nothing is written in stone. Are we taking Trent Williams before or after we take Okung and before or after we take Sam Bradford or is it right after we take Jimmy Clausen or Eric Berry.

My Gawd it seems like the Skins are predicted to take every player in the draft, so why are you guys even bothering to get flustered over the Skins drafting a name on a piece of paper. Hasn't happened yet. Cry and raise your blood pressure AFTER the pick has been taken.[/quote]

You take all the fun out of participating in a message board.

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[quote=SmootSmack;690438]People think that Williams can't play LT because he struggled in his first game last year and Bradford got hurt. But if you watch Williams' progress throughout the season you'll see that he improved at LT (plus he's played at RT and some C) so he's very versatile and extremely athletic. Okung, not so much.

What you get out of Okung now could be pretty much what you'll get for the next decade. And that's not a bad thing. But when you see Williams you could be getting a guy who maybe "struggles" a bit early, but then totally takes off...or totally collapses.

I can see the Redskins taking Okung at #4. But I've gotten no sense that they really value him that high. But without a 2nd round pick right now (and until the Brown trade becomes official...or not), they may have no choice but to value Okung that high[/quote]

SS, I am interested in this (until the Brown trade becomes official... or not) comment. I haven't heard a lot about it. Can you fill me (us) in a bit?

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[quote=SkinzWin;690735]SS, I am interested in this (until the Brown trade becomes official... or not) comment. I haven't heard a lot about it. Can you fill me (us) in a bit?[/quote]

Rumors have been circulating since February that the Saints were looking to trade Brown or Bushrod (preferably Brown). Saints (Williams in particular) was known to want Landry and/or Rocky. We weren't offering Landry because we were holding onto him as a possible chip for something bigger (i.e. Brandon Marshall).

As we're getting closer, talks for Brown have really picked up. Brown reportedly met with representatives of the Redskins this past weekend (now I know he's met with Dr. James Andrews but I don't think that's who it is).

So, long story short, is latest I've heard is Rocky and a pick in 2011 for Brown. If we throw in someone else we might get a 2010 pick in return but not likely. There are a few teams interested in Brown so we'll just have to wait and see on him. But we're definitely very, very much in the running.

I've also heard, kind of a side note, that we might be looking at him as a RT. Can't confirm though

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[quote=internetcareer;690645]First of all nothing is written in stone. Are we taking Trent Williams before or after we take Okung and before or after we take Sam Bradford or is it right after we take Jimmy Clausen or Eric Berry.

My Gawd it seems like the Skins are predicted to take every player in the draft, so why are you guys even bothering to get flustered over the Skins drafting a name on a piece of paper. Hasn't happened yet. Cry and raise your blood pressure AFTER the pick has been taken.[/quote]
Yeah I don't even talk about upcoming games, just wait till after it's over, who knows the freaking outcome beforehand?

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[quote=REDSKINZ-RIDEORDIE;690417]According to PFT, the top 5 is coming into focus and the Skins will take Trent Williams (OT).

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[quote=internetcareer;690645]First of all nothing is written in stone. Are we taking Trent Williams before or after we take Okung and before or after we take Sam Bradford or is it right after we take Jimmy Clausen or Eric Berry.

My Gawd it seems like the Skins are predicted to take every player in the draft, so why are you guys even bothering to get flustered over the Skins drafting a name on a piece of paper. Hasn't happened yet. Cry and raise your blood pressure AFTER the pick has been taken.[/quote]

Dude you really need to calm down. Your constantly going around telling everyone what they should do like your shit doesn't stink. By the way what is gawd??

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;690752]Dude you really need to calm down. Your constantly going around telling everyone what they should do like your shit doesn't stink. [B]By the way what is gawd??[/B][/quote]

Colt Brennan.

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[quote=Lotus;690760]Colt Brennan.[/quote]

Touche good sir. Touche.

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Colt is the son of gawd...

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[quote=Lotus;690760]Colt Brennan.[/quote]

Tim Tebow laughed out loud at that joke. He thought i-net guy was talking about him!

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I have spent far too much of my time going through players and picks, analyzing and over-analyzing, evaluating and over-evaluating prospects. Very interested in the draft this year, and super pumped about the season ahead. Also because it keeps me occupied, home, and out of trouble.
In my mind, there is no way the Skins are taking Williams over Okung. If Okung is gone to Detroit, then I think they would pick whichever DT is left or Berry.

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[quote=rbanerjee23;690766]Colt is the son of gawd...[/quote]

Well he is pineapple jesus

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[quote=SmootSmack;690745]Rumors have been circulating since February that the Saints were looking to trade Brown or Bushrod (preferably Brown). Saints (Williams in particular) was known to want Landry and/or Rocky. We weren't offering Landry because we were holding onto him as a possible chip for something bigger (i.e. Brandon Marshall).

As we're getting closer, talks for Brown have really picked up. Brown reportedly met with representatives of the Redskins this past weekend (now I know he's met with Dr. James Andrews but I don't think that's who it is).

So, long story short, is latest I've heard is Rocky and a pick in 2011 for Brown. If we throw in someone else we might get a 2010 pick in return but not likely. There are a few teams interested in Brown so we'll just have to wait and see on him. But we're definitely very, very much in the running.

I've also heard, kind of a side note, that we might be looking at him as a RT. Can't confirm though[/quote]

Just to add one more rumor out there (that I haven't got much credence to) is Haynesworth to the Saints for Brown and their 2nd (which is almost a 3rd). I don't see that move happening though.

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[quote=SmootSmack;690815]Just to add one more rumor out there (that I haven't got much credence to) is Haynesworth to the Saints for Brown and their 2nd (which is almost a 3rd). I don't see that move happening though.[/quote]

that would be pretty solid. i would be happy with that trade.

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The question is, who do we take if we trade down?

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[quote=jdc65;690769]I have spent far too much of my time going through players and picks, analyzing and over-analyzing, evaluating and over-evaluating prospects. Very interested in the draft this year, and super pumped about the season ahead. Also because it keeps me occupied, home, and out of trouble.
In my mind, there is no way the Skins are taking Williams over Okung. If Okung is gone to Detroit, then I think they would pick whichever DT is left or Berry.[/quote]Really? Williams looks mighty good on paper and seems to have upside. I'd rather take Suh over McCoy but, only if there's a trade for Haynesworth. Berry is a solid pick.

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[quote=jdc65;690769]I have spent far too much of my time going through players and picks, analyzing and over-analyzing, evaluating and over-evaluating prospects. Very interested in the draft this year, and super pumped about the season ahead. Also because it keeps me occupied, home, and out of trouble.
In my mind, there is no way the Skins are taking Williams over Okung. If Okung is gone to Detroit, then I think they would pick whichever DT is left or Berry.[/quote]

Don't be surprised if they end up taking Williams over Okung. Also, If for whatever reason they don't take those two, don't rule out Clausen -- Cleveland wants him badly and Allen might make a play to get some more picks out of them in return for passing on/trading Clausen

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;690786]Well he is pineapple jesus[/quote]

I just don't get why McNabb is allowed to wear his number. Aren't we suppose to unofficially retire the number of great players after they decide they don't want it anymore?

That reminds me, will anyone be allowed to wear 60 next year?

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[quote=Dirtbag359;690874][B]I just don't get why McNabb is allowed to wear his number. Aren't we suppose to unofficially retire the number of great players after they decide they don't want it anymore?[/B]

That reminds me, will anyone be allowed to wear 60 next year?[/quote]

:laughing2

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from what I heard today the reason they like Trent Williams is because he can play both left and right tackle and Okung is pretty much a right tackle.

I don't care. Shanny is the expert. Let him decide. I just want an offensive lineman to solidy a position. They do seem to be high on Heyer this year at whatever position they put him at.

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How can anyone be high on Heyer!! They must be high.

Like others on here have said Heyer is a "TURNSTYLE". I love the kid story I hope he is MUCH improved, but he seems slow and not vey athletic at times.

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[quote=internetcareer;691316]from what I heard today the reason they like Trent Williams is because he can play both left and right tackle and Okung is pretty much a right tackle.

I don't care. Shanny is the expert. Let him decide. I just want an offensive lineman to solidy a position. They do seem to be high on Heyer this year at whatever position they put him at.[/quote]

Okung is a left tackle

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[quote=RedskinMike;691345]Okung is a left tacle[/quote]

what's a tacle?

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[quote=mlmdub130;691350]what's a tacle?[/quote]

It stands for Terminal Abnormal Condition Line Entry ... also it means someone forgot to put the k in tacKle

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[quote=internetcareer;691316]from what I heard today the reason they like Trent Williams is because he can play both left and right tackle and [B]Okung is pretty much a right tackle.
[/B]
I don't care. Shanny is the expert. Let him decide. I just want an offensive lineman to solidy a position. They do seem to be high on Heyer this year at whatever position they put him at.[/quote]

Okung is a LT, Williams is considered to be better at the right side...you got the two mixed up.

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;691342]How can anyone be high on Heyer!! They must be high.

Like others on here have said Heyer is a "TURNSTYLE". I love the kid story I hope he is MUCH improved, but he seems slow and not vey athletic at times.[/quote]

Preach on brotha. I couldn't agree more.

I swear when Skins fans are months removed from the last Skins game they forget the depths to which our OL sunk during the season.

Heyer, the undrafted free agent, is being revered as a startable Tackle. Also, people aren't even mentioning the other Guard spot opposite of Dockery. Worse of all is, whatever season starting OL we are 'relegated' to won't have any margin of injury factored into it.

Lets all remember too that starting a rookie, even if drafted at the top of the first, isn't necessarily a good thing. There is a learning curve for any rookie coming into the NFL. Same goes for the fans who want to trade into the 2nd & 3rd so we can 'take care of the rest of the OL'.


Any additions we make to our OL this year will only neutralize the loss of Chris Samuels. If fans have a good memory they'd remember our OL having protection problems even when he was able bodied at the start of the last season.

Building an OL will take more patience and discipline than can be yielded in just one offseason.