Analyzing Mike Shanahan at the Midway Point
 

Good read

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Very good read. Not much to disagree with IMO.

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This pretty much sums it up for me:

"There are games that they wouldn’t have won had it not been for Shanahan’s leadership, but there are also games that they lost that they had no business losing, indicating that this still is very much a work in progress."

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My question is: We have to give up 2 conditional picks to the Eagles and Saints for McNabb and Brown, neither has performed as the 3rd rounder that those teams will awarded, if anything they've performed like 4th rounders or less. Who gets the 3rd rounder Eagles or Saints?

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;756205]My question is: We have to give up 2 conditional picks to the Eagles and Saints for McNabb and Brown, neither has performed as the 3rd rounder that those teams will awarded, if anything they've performed like 4th rounders or less. Who gets the 3rd rounder Eagles or Saints?[/quote]

If I remember right, the Redskins have to do one of the following: win 9 games or make the playoffs and Philly gets the 3rd rounder and the Saints get the 4th rounder. If neither happens, it's reversed

If the Saints get the 4th pick I believe we get a 6th from them, if they get the 3rd we get a 5th.

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[quote=SmootSmack;756209]If I remember right, the Redskins have to do one of the following: win 9 games or make the playoffs and Philly gets the 3rd rounder and the Saints get the 4th rounder. If neither happens, it's reversed

If the Saints get the 4th pick I believe we get a 6th from them, if they get the 3rd we get a 5th.[/quote]

Thanks.

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Good read SS, lengthly and contains a great deal of basic knowledge of which we're all familiar, but decent to read nonetheless.

I'm going to proceed with caution on Shanahan mainly because of the position he's in as HC and personell decision maker. It's a difficult role to fill and the results can only be determined over time. His time in office has been too short to identify him with any degree of clarity.

I'm still waiting to see something that vastly distinguishes him and seperates him from the rest of pack. We've won a couple of games this year that had nothing to do with coaching, but more to do with commonplace occurances that take place during the course of many football games.

Don't get me wrong, I believe in giving credit where it's due, but a player picking up a fumble, returning it for a touchdown to win a game, or the F/G kicker for the opposition missing [by inches] a FG with 3 sec. left in regulation play dosen't have anything to do with good or bad coaching.

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This is what Jake Plummer had to say about Shanahan:
[B]
The grind of playing for an uber-perfectionist like Shanahan wore on Plummer during his time in the Rockies.

"I had a coach that, regardless of how well I thought I was playing or how well the majority of fans across the country thought I was playing, it was never good enough for him," Plummer said, not bitter but very matter-of-fact. "And that kind of gets frustrating."

"It just seemed like every game I could have completed these four more passes or these five more shots here and it would have been perfect. And that just wasn't my personality... But Shanahan wanted perfection and he wore a lot of us down there."

Plummer didn't sound surprised by the current circus unfolding in Washington, D.C., between Shanahan and Redskins quarterback Donovan McNabb(notes).

"I think Shanahan is still searching for John Elway," Plummer said. "Somehow, someway, he thinks there's going to be another guy like John Elway."

"He coached a team to almost perfection (with Elway) so he wanted that again, he wanted that every time we went out there. It's just not realistic."[/B]

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[quote=SmootSmack;756171]Good read

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Very good read.

It ends with a pretty speculative comment though.
I just don't understand how he could make such a claim.:cheeky-sm

"Without Shanahan, this team could be 2-6 right now, so although I don’t always get him, I give the coach a thumbs up at the midway point."

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[quote=skinsnut;756242]Very good read.

It ends with a pretty speculative comment though.
I just don't understand how he could make such a claim.:cheeky-sm

"Without Shanahan, this team could be 2-6 right now, so although I don’t always get him, I give the coach a thumbs up at the midway point."[/quote]

I thought it was Jim Zorn who guided the team to a 6-2 record through the first eight games of his first year here. Finished 2-6 leaving him at 8-8 the same record many have already predicted for this team. Let's wait and see how Shanahan's first year here compares to that of his predecessor. Only a few can honestly say, based on the way these games have been played this year, the end result of any of them is due to any form of genius in coaching. Tbh, some might say it's quite the contrary.

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I can easily see this team finish 6-10 & w/a lot of drama along the way. Overall though, I think Shanny has taken a big picture view of things & made decisions for the best of the organization long-term. That's something we haven't seen too much of here.

Like Casserly said, he let everyone know who's in charge, that had to be done. Combined w/Allen's fiscal conservatism, there really is change underway. Still, my fear of Shanny is that he thinks too much like Danny. In his time in denver, he was willing to make big deals & go after big name guys. We've already seen this regime trade some valuable draft picks to try to 'win now.' When does "now" arrive?

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Shanny gets a B so far IMO. I do think he will build a legit contender

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This is indeed a good read and a thorough breakdown. The fact is that a team coming off a 4-win season and which has posted only one double-digit win total in ten years needs a ground-up personnel makeover. You can't expect that every move in a necessary overhaul is going to be a good one--understanding that it's necessary to begin with is a good start. This is still very much a work in progress, and, as Casserly indicated, there are more fits and starts to come, and I agree with the overall assessment that Shanahan deserves a thumbs-up so far.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;756241][URL="http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Ex-NFL-QB-Jake-Plummer-is-playing-a-new-sport-th?urn=nfl-282499"]Ex-NFL QB Jake Plummer is playing a new sport these days - Shutdown Corner - NFL* - Yahoo! Sports[/URL]

This is what Jake Plummer had to say about Shanahan:
[B]
The grind of playing for an uber-perfectionist like Shanahan wore on Plummer during his time in the Rockies.

"I had a coach that, regardless of how well I thought I was playing or how well the majority of fans across the country thought I was playing, it was never good enough for him," Plummer said, not bitter but very matter-of-fact. "And that kind of gets frustrating."

"It just seemed like every game I could have completed these four more passes or these five more shots here and it would have been perfect. And that just wasn't my personality... But Shanahan wanted perfection and he wore a lot of us down there."

Plummer didn't sound surprised by the current circus unfolding in Washington, D.C., between Shanahan and Redskins quarterback Donovan McNabb(notes).

"I think Shanahan is still searching for John Elway," Plummer said. "Somehow, someway, he thinks there's going to be another guy like John Elway."

"He coached a team to almost perfection (with Elway) so he wanted that again, he wanted that every time we went out there. It's just not realistic."[/B][/quote]

MS is the leader any leader who wants less then perfection is wasting their time.

When I worked for Marriott in the Revenue office our director was just like MS always want the best and demand it. I never slacked in fear of her wrath, guess what though the year I worked for her I had my highest quarterly bonus and won a bunch of awards.

I just looked for other places for praise like my immediate manager or my co-workers I just knew she never be happy and that was her game to get the most out of you.

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I think Shanahan has made some adjustments to the offensive line, but that's not enough. He was supposed to upgrade the offensive line so the QB would have a decent chance to throw a pass without getting tramped on by every defensive line we face. Why is the offensive line just about the same as it was last year? Why don't we have capable backups on the line? And last, why don't we put somebody in for Casey Rabach, who can't block anybody?

Also, we had a better defense last year. With last year's defense, we could have been maybe 6-2 at this point, with wins over Houston and Detroit. If you throw in a win over the Rams, we could have been 7-1, with McNabb's best games yet to come. The defense was overwhelmed by the Colts and Manning, so we just lost that game regardless of how well we could have played.

Personally, I would have claimed Moss on waivers, but Moss probably wouldn't have liked to play for Shanahan.

So I give Shanahan a C-, and I think I'm being generous there. I think he deserves a D because he didn't do anything to upgrade the O-line. He thought he did, but bringing in different bodies, two of whom were reserves on other teams, just isn't enough to make a good O-line.

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^^ Upgrading the o-line is what LaVar & Dukes are discussing on 106.7 the fan at this very moment.

While I don't always agree with LaVar, a moment ago he took the words out of my mouth that I've been saying for years. Do what's needed to fix this line.

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Upgrading the line in 1 year after years of neglect is unrealistic to say the least, especially when you consider the crop of free agents was very small this year due to the end of the cba. At least he got a LT w/his first pick & got some other o linemen later in the draft.

I'm expecting some kind of shakeup after the bye. I think Dock will be back at LG & maybe Rabach will be replaced. The latter is more a hunch. Also occured to me that we could see Hicks at RT before it's over!

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I give the Coach a THUMBS UP as well.
I hope they enjoy a well deserved week off..........

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[quote=freddyg12;756279]Upgrading the line in 1 year after years of neglect is unrealistic to say the least, especially when you consider the crop of free agents was very small this year due to the end of the cba. At least he got a LT w/his first pick & got some other o linemen later in the draft.

I'm expecting some kind of shakeup after the bye. I think Dock will be back at LG & maybe Rabach will be replaced. The latter is more a hunch. Also occured to me that we could see Hicks at RT before it's over![/quote]

I really don't care how long it takes, it's what has to be done if you want to see this team be successful. Prolong it and you'll continue to see your QB [regardless of who it is] trying to throw passes from his ass.

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[quote=Longtimefan;756273]^^ Upgrading the o-line is what LaVar & Dukes are discussing on 106.7 the fan at this very moment.

While I don't always agree with LaVar, a moment ago he took the words out of my mouth that I've been saying for years. Do what's needed to fix this line.[/quote]

I love their show. Lavar has been spot on about alot of things going on the Skins that he never gets credit for. Some of the things that Shanny is known to do, Lavar already pointed out months ago but some of us ripped him for it. Looks like he knows what he's talking about now though.

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Perhaps we could add a poll to this thread to rate Shanahan so far, A, B, C, D or F?

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I didn't expect Shanahan to take this team to the promised land, or even make it to the play-offs in one season. In his first year with Denver he was 8-8 and took 3 seasons to win the SB, even with one of the all-time greatest QBs, so I can't expect higher expectations than that. The Skins are clearly more improved than last season with our weakest spot being the porous OL and our shaky core of receivers. I don't expect a coach to be flawless, though he expects his teams to perform flawlessly. He has a knack for spotting talent (Armstrong, Torain) and will continue to scout where no one else scouts, and pick up players that will perform. Next season we will be ready for greatness.

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[quote=JLee9718;756271]I think Shanahan has made some adjustments to the offensive line, but that's not enough. He was supposed to upgrade the offensive line so the QB would have a decent chance to throw a pass without getting tramped on by every defensive line we face. Why is the offensive line just about the same as it was last year? Why don't we have capable backups on the line? And last, why don't we put somebody in for Casey Rabach, who can't block anybody?

Also, we had a better defense last year. With last year's defense, we could have been maybe 6-2 at this point, with wins over Houston and Detroit. If you throw in a win over the Rams, we could have been 7-1, with McNabb's best games yet to come. The defense was overwhelmed by the Colts and Manning, so we just lost that game regardless of how well we could have played.

Personally, I would have claimed Moss on waivers, but Moss probably wouldn't have liked to play for Shanahan.

So I give Shanahan a C-, and I think I'm being generous there. I think he deserves a D because he didn't do anything to upgrade the O-line. He thought he did, but bringing in different bodies, two of whom were reserves on other teams, just isn't enough to make a good O-line.[/quote]

I disagree with just about everything you have said. Is Trent Williams not an upgrade? Jamaal Brown isn't as far along with his recovery as expected, but when healthy he's definitely an upgrade. Dockery hasn't worked out for whatever reason, but he was brought back to upgrade the interior. You can't overhaul the entire offensive line in one offseason. It takes at least two years and some good fortune with injuries and such.

The defense is in transition...Yeah, it was probably better last year, but it hasn't been horrible. We are on pace to have way more turnovers than last year, and if our offense could capitalize on them...this probably wouldn't even be much of a discussion. Again, when you change schemes (4-3 to 3-4) it takes time to acquire the right personnel to run that defense. That is why we haven't exclusively run the 3-4 this year...we've given up alot of yards, but I think that is part of the "bend don't break" concept...and for the most part I think that is working, but again the offense needs to capitalize on the TOs and the short fields. BTW, what defense doesn't have a hard time with Peyton Manning? And we had a chance to win that game...

I'm completely happy that we didn't make a move for Randy Moss. Why add someone mid-season that plays hard only when he wants to, that can't run routes very well, and that could potentially add more unnecessary drama to this locker room...we're good with what we have, the offense just needs to gel better which I expect to happen in the second half.

Other than the McNabb benching, I'm pleased with Shanahan. Even the McNabb benching, I'm ok with it, since I don't completely know everything that led to that...Shanahan doesn't owe me, you, or the media an explanation or the truth. As long as he's straight with the guys on the team, I don't care what he says...

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I think its amazing what the Little General has done with this team. He doesnt have a lot of talent to work with but he has them better coached and better schemed and because of that they are a competitive team this year and that's something they havent been for a few years.

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[quote=irish;756360]I think its amazing what the Little General has done with this team. He doesnt have a lot of talent to work with but he has them better coached and better schemed and because of that they are a competitive team this year and that's something they havent been for a few years.[/quote]

Wow! Who knew? I don't agree 100%, but for the sake of celebrating your optimism Irish, I concur.

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[quote=irish;756360]I think its amazing what the[B] Little General[/B] has done with this team. He doesnt have a lot of talent to work with but he has them better coached and better schemed and because of that they are a competitive team this year and that's something they havent been for a few years.[/quote]


I totally thought of this when you said that!

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I have not read the article but from what I have seen MS reminds me of Tom Coughlin. He is a great coach but he needs to lern how to deal with players in tadays world and not like he did back in the 90's. I could see how he could loose the team like TC almost did a few years back.

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He's been solid. Should anyone around here complain? Especially after Zorn? As fans we always tend to bitch and moan. But the reality is this isn't a good football team. It's probably a below average football team so to be 4-4 is pretty good.

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[quote=JLee9718;756271]I think Shanahan has made some adjustments to the offensive line, but that's not enough. He was supposed to upgrade the offensive line so the QB would have a decent chance to throw a pass without getting tramped on by every defensive line we face. Why is the offensive line just about the same as it was last year? Why don't we have capable backups on the line? And last, why don't we put somebody in for Casey Rabach, who can't block anybody?

Also, we had a better defense last year. With last year's defense, we could have been maybe 6-2 at this point, with wins over Houston and Detroit. If you throw in a win over the Rams, we could have been 7-1, with McNabb's best games yet to come. The defense was overwhelmed by the Colts and Manning, so we just lost that game regardless of how well we could have played.

Personally, I would have claimed Moss on waivers, but Moss probably wouldn't have liked to play for Shanahan.

So I give Shanahan a C-, and I think I'm being generous there. [B]I think he deserves a D because he didn't do anything to upgrade the O-line. He thought he did, but bringing in different bodies, two of whom were reserves on other teams, just isn't enough to make a good O-line.[/B][/quote]

You make it sound easy to replace all 5 people on the OL.

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I grade hard but, gave him a C. 4-4 isn't bad but the outlook is dim. As soon as the Haynesworth tirad dies, McNabb's mud-slinging begins. I though Shanahan and Allen would bring in some talent but, not at the expense of making poor decisions while stepping on toes. Bringing in veteran competition for Portis was a joke. Starting Lictensteiger over Dockery is too. Galloway? Come on. And it was such a waste to bring in McNabb with no intention on re-signing him until he showed what he could do.

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It's going to take time, VC left the place in such a mess and this is a rebuilding year (let's be honest). To be at .500 midway through the season is a hell of an accomplishment.
QB is unsettled but DMac is as good a stopgap as any and to be realistic, he was either going to show that he had what it took or he didn't, either way it would give the team some time to develop w/o the QB position being the focal point. IMO, we need to draft a QB fairly high to either start next year or 2012 at the latest.
OL is pretty much in shambles -- Trent Williams is a beast and I am hoping he avoids any injuries because we will need him. All the other guys are backup guys IMO and we have to invest some serious money/draft picks on the offensive trenches.
WR is also in shambles -- Santana is pretty good no matter who is throwing to him, Anthony Armstrong still has a lot to prove and it is pretty disgraceful that Roydell Williams and Joey Galloway are our 3rd and 4th. Again, they are stop gaps and we need to spend some money/draft picks on WR. I would like to see KS get Banks involved a little more offensively b/c that guy is dangerous in space.
RB is okay b/c Portis should be back but is no longer the #1 and should split time with Torain.
TE is okay b/c Cooley is a beast and hopefully Fred Davis regains some form. I'm surprised at his lack of production given that by all accounts he had had a phenomenal training camp.

On the defensive side:
DL is looking okay, still not sure about the switch to the 3-4 but it hasn't been disastrous though were are still giving up a ton of yardage.
LB is okay, Fletch is bionic, I don't know how that guy does it and Rak is a monster. Other than that, Rocky is okay, Alexander is pretty decent, so LB should be set for a few years.
CB is where I am worried, DHall is leading the league in INTs I believe? but the cover situation is tough to consider. We have been torched, just torched by top flight WRs (Andre + Calvin Johnson) so I really think the secondary has to be solidified.
FS/SS (see CB)

Overall, the whole team is okay which is good given last year's debacle. Lots of building to do but I feel as though Shanny has the team headed in a good direction. 2 more years in my opinion combined with avoiding any serious setbacks and I could see this team in the Superbowl.

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As much as I am not happy with our results right now...i'd say he's performing about as well as can be expected for a good NFL coach in this situation...reaching 4 wins in half the time as last year has to be worth a B.

Could he have done better, of course...could he have done worse?..yes...far worse
If I could, I'd give a B-

I certainly have criticisms of how he has handled the oline and several key players, inability to adjust on offense lately...and in the early 3 games on d...but overall, he's a good coach.
I don't think anyone would argue against that

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He's done a good job coaching, even though his personnel moves he's done--whether they are done with Bruce Allen or not-- and the defensive scheme change are still up for debate.

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It all starts with the O-line. Rabach is god awful, Hicks is out of position, Lichtenstiger gets beat like a drum, Jamaal Brown looks like he's 50 years old, Heyer will never be more than a back-up, and Trent Williams is solid but making rookie mistakes. You can't tell me Lichtenstiger is better than Dockery.

Re-signing Rabach, bringing in Brown, Hicks, and Lichtenstiger, and repeatedly keeping Dockery inactive are all Shanny's decisions. I give him an A on drafting Williams, and a D- for the rest of the O-line mess. Not that he had much to work with when he took over as HC, but this unit is downright awful.

I agree with article in that the Haynesworth drama was dragged out way too long, and IMO this McNabb situation was a total coaching meltdown, especially Shanny's attempts to explain his decision. Fail fail fail.

Overall he's got us going in the right direction, but he's had more than a few head-scratchers thus far.

I'll give him a C. The jury is still out, though.

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I gave him a straight up C. Personally, I don't think he will be here past 2012, and that isn't an indictment of him or his coaching. The bad moves by Redskins Park continue even with a new GM/HC. Bringing in a Pro Bowl QB behind a terrible line was sheer stupidity. WE all thought it was JC, but the line even makes Donovan look real bad. Not trying to exonerate Donovan from his crappy play, but damn, he doesn't have a decent line or Wr corp. How can a QB excel? Bradford has a better line that Donovan, and probably just as good of a WR corp. I think Shanny is an above average coach, who won two SBs with a stacked deck, playing in the weakest division in the NFL. Even post Elway he had a load of talent, but didn't do much with it. He will skip town out of frustration as there simply are too many holes to fill. You have to also wonder how many of the quality players are going to want to stay with this circus for the remainder of their careers.

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[quote=GMScud;756599]It all starts with the O-line. Rabach is god awful, Hicks is out of position, Lichtenstiger gets beat like a drum, Jamaal Brown looks like he's 50 years old, Heyer will never be more than a back-up, and Trent Williams is solid but making rookie mistakes. You can't tell me Lichtenstiger is better than Dockery.

Re-signing Rabach, bringing in Brown, Hicks, and Lichtenstiger, and repeatedly keeping Dockery inactive are all Shanny's decisions. I give him an A on drafting Williams, and a D- for the rest of the O-line mess. Not that he much to work with when he took over as HC, but this unit is downright awful.

I agree with article in that the Haynesworth drama was dragged out way too long, and IMO this McNabb situation was a total coaching meltdown, especially Shanny's attempts to explain his decision. Fail fail fail.

Overall he's got us going in the right direction, but he's had more than a few head-scratchers thus far.

I'll give him a C. The jury is still out, though.[/quote]

How is he going in the right direction? He just disenfranchised his star QB, who will split come the end of the season. Grossman sucks, and drafting a QB without a new o line in place would just be as bad of a waste as it was getting McNabb. The guy in essence just shot himself in the foot.

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You mistakenly identify mcnabb as shanahans star qb. Mcnabb just isn't very good. Shanahan doesn't want him. If he keeps playing like he has been, I dont want him either. If the new CBa allows Shanahan to franchise mcnabb we will. And we can probably trade him to Arizona for something of value.

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Why bother getting him then and wasting picks? We could have just kept JC for the same results and kept two draft picks to help shore up our leaking offensive line. And if Shanny didn't want him, why did they acquire him? Like it or not, he is the best we have. Just dumb all around.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;756606]Why bother getting him then and wasting picks? We could have just kept JC for the same results and kept two draft picks to help shore up our leaking offensive line. And if Shanny didn't want him, why did they acquire him? Like it or not, he is the best we have. Just dumb all around.[/quote]
Buyer's remorse. It's can happen with players who the coaches have never worked with personally. Arch Deluxe had no relationship with Grilliams or anything, they just studied his film and thought he was wtfawesome. The rest is history.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;756241][url=http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Ex-NFL-QB-Jake-Plummer-is-playing-a-new-sport-th?urn=nfl-282499]Ex-NFL QB Jake Plummer is playing a new sport these days - Shutdown Corner - NFL* - Yahoo! Sports[/url]

This is what Jake Plummer had to say about Shanahan:
[B]
The grind of playing for an uber-perfectionist like Shanahan wore on Plummer during his time in the Rockies.

"I had a coach that, regardless of how well I thought I was playing or how well the majority of fans across the country thought I was playing, it was never good enough for him," Plummer said, not bitter but very matter-of-fact. "And that kind of gets frustrating."

"It just seemed like every game I could have completed these four more passes or these five more shots here and it would have been perfect. And that just wasn't my personality... But Shanahan wanted perfection and he wore a lot of us down there."

Plummer didn't sound surprised by the current circus unfolding in Washington, D.C., between Shanahan and Redskins quarterback Donovan McNabb(notes).

"I think Shanahan is still searching for John Elway," Plummer said. "Somehow, someway, he thinks there's going to be another guy like John Elway."

"He coached a team to almost perfection (with Elway) so he wanted that again, he wanted that every time we went out there. It's just not realistic."[/B][/quote]


BooHoo, your a grown man. Why do you need a pat on the back for doing what's your paid to do? As a Marine, I'm always telling my guys/gals "If I accept how you are, I'm failing you. If I push you for more each day, you will improve and be better". Coach is the same way, don't except someone's best. Push them and their best will get better.