Clutch and Execution Problems
 

This has probably been the thing that has bothered me the most over the past year. So many times the Redskins have had a chance to gain an advantage during games and so many times they've come up short. Today's examples were as follows.

Brandon Banks Punt Return: A block in the back against a player that had no chance of stopping Banks

Brandon Banks Kick Return: Getting the Skins to the Vikings 30 yard line and coming away with only a field goal

James Davis: Tripping on a play where he had what might have been the most wide opening running lane the Line has provided throughout the course of 2010.

And it's not just today. The countless dropped Int's, the wide open deep passes that are either underthrown, overthrown, or flat out dropped, bobbled holds on kicks, the holding calls on pivotal plays. And of course the one that bothers me more then the rest combined, getting turnovers that lead to red zone chances and then being lucky to come away with 3 points.

Maybe Zorn was right, this group of guys simply can't execute.

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- Back to back drops by Cooley and Moss in one drive which both would have resulted in 1st downs in the 1st half

- Underthrown ball to Armstrong on the 45-yard pass play. Armstrong had beaten his guy by 10 yards, that should have been a score.

- Several penalties on the Oline

We make alot of stupid mistakes which we cant afford to especially when we lack this much talent and depth at multiple positions.

Hopefully we continue to turn over the roster and bring in some youngs guys in the draft.

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[quote=Chico23231;763422]- Back to back drops by Cooley and Moss in one drive which both would have resulted in 1st downs in the 1st half

- [B]Underthrown ball to Armstrong on the 45-yard pass play.[/B] Armstrong had beaten his guy by 10 yards, that should have been a score.

- Several penalties on the Oline

We make alot of stupid mistakes which we cant afford to especially when we lack this much talent and depth at multiple positions.

Hopefully we continue to turn over the roster and bring in some youngs guys in the draft.[/quote]


There was no way McNabb could have stepped into that pass. You really think he can throw a 60 yard pass off of his back foot?

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[quote=skinsguy;763427]There was no way McNabb could have stepped into that pass. You really think he can throw a 60 yard pass off of his back foot?[/quote]

It all goes back to Rabach. Why they would let him play injured against the Williams wall is beyond me.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;763433]It all goes back to Rabach. Why they would let him play injured against the Williams wall is beyond me.[/quote]


I've said it all along, the only constant over the past 5 years of bad offensive lines is Rabach. He needs to go, he has never been the player he was with Baltimore.

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[quote=skinsguy;763427]There was no way McNabb could have stepped into that pass. You really think he can throw a 60 yard pass off of his back foot?[/quote]

Then it was thrown late...Armstrong had beaten him pretty early in the route

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The problem is the same old BS we have dealt with for the last 10 years, No clutch players... Clinton Portis, Chris Cooley, Santa Moss, etc, they never step up in big games. It's always the same shit>> Dropped passes, fumbles, penalties... The loser mentality has been instilled in these guys.. MS needs to clean house, and get rid of the losers.. Please!!!! Lets start over....

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[quote=Dirtbag359;763433]It all goes back to Rabach. Why they would let him play injured against the Williams wall is beyond me.[/quote]

They should have started last weeks OL with Montgomery at C and Heyer at RG, if that lineup did not work then go back to your original starters who were hurt to begin with. That just made to much sense, so they did the conservative thing.

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[quote=Stacks42;763439]I've said it all along, the only constant over the past 5 years of bad offensive lines is Rabach. He needs to go, he has never been the player he was with Baltimore.[/quote]
I know that Rabach sucks not but the o-line was good in '05 and '06 so its more like.... well I guess its 4 years of shit o-line play so yea your pretty much right.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;763457]They should have started last weeks OL with Montgomery at C and Heyer at RG, if that lineup did not work then go back to your original starters who were hurt to begin with. That just made to much sense, so they did the conservative thing.[/quote]

I completely agree with this.
They should have stuck wtih what worked. Why go back to something that was not working? I still do not understand and find fault with the way Shanahan and Haslett are using some the players they have on the roster.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;763416]This has probably been the thing that has bothered me the most over the past year. So many times the Redskins have had a chance to gain an advantage during games and so many times they've come up short. Today's examples were as follows.

Brandon Banks Punt Return: A block in the back against a player that had no chance of stopping Banks

Brandon Banks Kick Return: Getting the Skins to the Vikings 30 yard line and coming away with only a field goal

[B]James Davis: Tripping on a play[/B] where he had what might have been the most wide opening running lane the Line has provided throughout the course of 2010.

And it's not just today. The countless dropped Int's, the wide open deep passes that are either underthrown, overthrown, or flat out dropped, bobbled holds on kicks, the holding calls on pivotal plays. And of course the one that bothers me more then the rest combined, getting turnovers that lead to red zone chances and then being lucky to come away with 3 points.

Maybe Zorn was right, this group of guys simply can't execute.[/quote]


Davis did not trip he was tripped. You make it sound like he fell over himself but a player got a hand on his foot making a play.

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[quote=firstdown;763482]Davis did not trip he was tripped. You make it sound like he fell over himself but a player got a hand on his foot making a play.[/quote]
Well maybe it's just me but I expect a power back to be able to power through a shoe string tackle that early in the run. If that was the Redskins in that same situation on defense we would probably be looking at a long run.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;763521]Well maybe it's just me but I expect a power back to be able to power through a shoe string tackle that early in the run. If that was the Redskins in that same situation on defense we would probably be looking at a long run.[/quote]

You expect a lot out of 5th string players.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;763521]Well maybe it's just me but I expect a power back to be able to power through a shoe string tackle that early in the run. If that was the Redskins in that same situation on defense we would probably be looking at a long run.[/quote]

Just because he was Thunder to Spiller's Lightning, I wouldn't really call him a power back. KW, ATV, and Sellers are all bigger and CP is the same size

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[quote=Brody81;763454]The problem is the same old BS we have dealt with for the last 10 years, No clutch players... Clinton Portis, Chris Cooley, Santa Moss, etc, they never step up in big games. It's always the same shit>> Dropped passes, fumbles, penalties... The loser mentality has been instilled in these guys.. MS needs to clean house, and get rid of the losers.. Please!!!! Lets start over....[/quote]

Santa plays for us and we still can't win? I give up.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;763542]Santa plays for us and we still can't win? I give up.[/quote]

LMFAO. When I saw "santa" I was about to post the same thing. Hilarious.

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Again, the problem is the loser mentality of the current players..Lets rebuild with winners...How many drop passes do we have to continue to see before we decide SM is killing us?

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;763542]Santa plays for us and we still can't win? I give up.[/quote]

Sorry Professor... You so smart..

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this franchise is cursed beyond belief.......jack kent cooke has cursed this team since his passing

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the safe list for 2011..everybody else can see the door
McNabb
Cooley
Moss
Trent Williams
Orakpo
London
Landry
Hall
Lorenzo
Rocky
Banks
Carter as a DE
Fred Davis

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[quote=tc2deuce;763550]the safe list for 2011..everybody else can see the door
McNabb
Cooley
Moss
Trent Williams
Orakpo
London
Landry
Hall
Lorenzo
Rocky
Banks
Carter as a DE
Fred Davis[/quote]

Minus Moss>>> Loser mentality...
We need a big game receiver...

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Moss had a bad game today but I would hardly characterize him a loser. More often than not he's been clutch for us

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[quote=SmootSmack;763552]Moss had a bad game today but I would hardly characterize him a loser. More often than not he's been clutch for us[/quote]
Agree to disagree... We need a leader... Someone who can make big plays in big games... SM is a #2 receiver at best on any other team...

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[quote=Chico23231;763447]Then it was thrown late...Armstrong had beaten him pretty early in the route[/quote]

No, it wasn't thrown late either.

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[quote=Brody81;763545]Again, the problem is the loser mentality of the current players..Lets rebuild with winners...How many drop passes do we have to continue to see before we decide SM is killing us?[/quote]

Actually, coming into yesterday's game, the Redskins led the league in fewest dropped passes.

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Williams was bearing down on him so he couldn't fully step into the throw, that's what it came down to.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;763433]It all goes back to Rabach. Why they would let him play injured against the Williams wall is beyond me.[/quote]

Can I join this choir?!?! Man it was brutal watching Rabach get steamrolled again and again. One play Rabach literally snapped the ball then was already chasing the guy he was supposed to block who was barrelling down on McNabb.

We cut Galloway, now can we bench or IR Rabach? Might be harder to bench him since he became a captain, but some coach needs to step up and sit him down.

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[quote=skinsguy;763597]No, it wasn't thrown late either.[/quote]

Actually I know what it is, playoffs teams make that play and others make excuses.

My expectations is improvement on the offense. Havent seen it, dont care we down to a couple RB, we have been able to run the ball with K Williams several occasions.
Minnesota loses its head coach our game week and the team has been in disary most of the season. Lotta people on here expecting a win and a decisive one at that. This was a game we shoulda and had to have. Im generally not satisfied with no progress, limited improvement on the offense.

The thing that really pisses me off is the fact this year the NFC is up for grabs, not alot of dominace from anybody, if we could get just half our sh*t together we could be in it.

Im just kinda tired on giving passes out after yesterday. Minnesota defensive is far from good. If you look at the game its not just that play or another...its been a litany of errors.

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[quote=Brody81;763553]Agree to disagree... We need a leader... Someone who can make big plays in big games... [B]SM is a #2 receiver[/B] at best on any other team...[/quote]

That's what we need, to make SM our #2 receiver. But, of course, to do that we need someone else who is a #1. Maybe Devin Thomas will step up...oh wait.

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[quote=Brody81;763553]Agree to disagree... We need a leader... Someone who can make big plays in big games... SM is a #2 receiver at best on any other team...[/quote]
I would agree that SM is a #2 receiver, but I don't see that as validation of a loser mentality. Moss isn't who he used to be, but on our current receiving corps, he is as consistent as we have. That isn't saying much tho'.

Armstrong made the big sliding catch, but didn't get his head right back in the game either. He missed the next pass, a much easier grab.

Right now this team is taking baby steps. This is what a rebuilding team looks like, even if it's not billed as such.

We dropped 10 starters before FA
We have a new RB committee
We have 3 out of 5 WR's changed from last year.
Oh yeah a new QB
We have a new defensive alignment (right or wrong we do, and thus it is part of a rebuilding year. For those who are going to scream "BUT WE HAVE 4-3 PERSONNEL", yes but if the new coach accepted a rebuilding phase then you might as well start the defensive change now. Or would you rather get the offense going, and switch up at that point and have the offense pulled down by the defense. This team is growing up together, and hopefully next year, with some new youngbloods and some veterans that know the system we will be better on both sides of the ball.)

Let's also not forget in this game, we were:
missing a starting CB, a starting safety (and leading tackler I believe). (wish we had been missing our starting center :( )

5-6 with 5 games to go. Realistically, the Skins are better than last year (playing a much harder schedule) and not as good as us fans want them to be.

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[quote=Chico23231;763608]Actually I know what it is, playoffs teams make that play and others make excuses.

My expectations is improvement on the offense. Havent seen it, dont care we down to a couple RB, we have been able to run the ball with K Williams several occasions.
Minnesota loses its head coach our game week and the team has been in disary most of the season. Lotta people on here expecting a win and a decisive one at that. This was a game we shoulda and had to have. Im generally not satisfied with no progress, limited improvement on the offense.

The thing that really pisses me off is the fact this year the NFC is up for grabs, not alot of dominace from anybody, if we could get just half our sh*t together we could be in it.

Im just kinda tired on giving passes out after yesterday. Minnesota defensive is far from good. If you look at the game its not just that play or another...its been a litany of errors.[/quote]

I don't understand the whole expectation that a team changes it's HC so we should dominate. Did the NYG dominate Dallas? Did we dominate the Rams when Haslett took over? I know Smootsmack posted a list of other mid season changes where the team didn't improve, but this Vikings team was in the NFC championship last year. They respect Frazier and played for him yesterday. This wasn't a constant bottom feeder going through another cycle. It was a team in disarray, and stood up and showed respect for itself and it's new coach.

I still wish we had won, and think we lost mainly due to the decisions made regarding the OL.

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This has been an issue for the Redskins since 2000. We under achieved the year we essentially bought a championship. untimely drops, penalties, sacks, which ever the case may be have always been a thorn is this teams side. Playing down to opponents has hurt this team for years. Good teams/franchises just dont lose games to winless teams, or 1 or 2 loss teams. Sure it happens in the NFL, but it happens to us every year. We play really well one week, then revert to the same stuff the next week. Instead of building on a nice win, we take two steps backwards. Hopefully Shanny can turn the mentality of this team around and we will start winning these games. We have played more 3-7 point games in the last 5 or so years than any team in the league. So its obvious that this team shoots itself in the foot repeatedly every year.

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Moss' drops yesterday were costly, Cooley had a huge drop, so did Armstrong. McNabb was OK but the underthrow to Armstrong could've been 7 but he had a linemen pushed into his face. McNabb also can't hit anyone in stride it seems. The block in the back by Riley was so piss poor. No reason to even try to attempt that block. Good teams don't make these kind of mistakes and when they do they're good enough to overcome them. We're not good enough to overcome mistakes.

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Did you guys listen to the post-game interviews? Buchanon said that 10-6 was not that far off. Goes to show how badly Shanahan has prepared this team that they are thinking about 5 games rather than focusing on one. This was a Vikings squad we should have beaten at home, and is arguably the second worst loss all season.

I've lost a lot of faith in the Shanahans, especially Kyle

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I honestly don't think yesterday was a "bad loss". Going in I really thought it was a 50/50 type of game. The Vikings have struggled but are still very talented, and you had to figure they were going to come out with a more focused and back to basics attack with Childress out of the picture.

I just don't see where we were supposed to be that much better than them, especially with all the injuries.

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[quote=rbanerjee23;763639]Did you guys listen to the post-game interviews? Buchanon said that 10-6 was not that far off. Goes to show how badly Shanahan has prepared this team that they are thinking about 5 games rather than focusing on one. This was a Vikings squad we should have beaten at home, and is arguably the second worst loss all season.

I've lost a lot of faith in the Shanahans, especially Kyle[/quote]

Kyle has really nothing to do with Buchanon, and I'm guessing you missed the part where he said you got to start with one first. I think you're just grasping here

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From an offensive standpoint it's so difficult to gauge the true worth of it until we can field the most important ingredient necessary to make it all work. Some people want R/B's some want W/R's, both are worthless when the heart and soul of the offense is in complete shambles. This offense is going to remain inconsistent until the most important part of it is addressed in a serious way.

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[quote=Chico23231;763608]Actually I know what it is, playoffs teams make that play and others make excuses.

My expectations is improvement on the offense. Havent seen it, dont care we down to a couple RB, we have been able to run the ball with K Williams several occasions.
Minnesota loses its head coach our game week and the team has been in disary most of the season. Lotta people on here expecting a win and a decisive one at that. This was a game we shoulda and had to have. Im generally not satisfied with no progress, limited improvement on the offense.

The thing that really pisses me off is the fact this year the NFC is up for grabs, not alot of dominace from anybody, if we could get just half our sh*t together we could be in it.

Im just kinda tired on giving passes out after yesterday. Minnesota defensive is far from good. If you look at the game its not just that play or another...its been a litany of errors.[/quote]


Maybe your expectations are a little high for a team that was just 4-12 a season ago? A lot of people on here expect quite a bit of stuff that is really unrealistic. This team will do well to be .500, which will be a big improvement from a year ago. If they wind up going 9-7, I will be extremely impressed.

We may have the talent, but does the talent have the football smarts to become a better team? So many times, we're dumbfounded at the fact that this team always seems to underachieve when they need the wins the most. Almost to the point to where we expect them to make the mistakes and foolish penalties that cost the Redskins victories. That comes from players who just don't seem to have the high football IQ that the elite players have. Don't get me wrong, the Redskins have the playmakers who have the football IQ needed to win, but they're overshadowed by those who just don't have it.

If football was completely physical, there would be no reason why the Redskins couldn't win the Super Bowl with the talent they have on the team. But, football is just as much mental (if not much more) than physical, and that is where you separate the good teams from the bad teams, elite teams from the good teams. Look at the Redskins teams from the glory years. I believe wholeheartedly that those teams in the 80's and early 90's were champions because the majority of the players on those teams had high football IQs. I think that is why Gibbs was successful with your average "joe" players. He got smart players on his team even though they were not always the most talented team on the field.

For this version of the Redskins to remotely resemble those teams of the 80's, we need more high football IQ players who can work together to make the team better. And, it starts up front. The hogs of the 80's were smart players and worked very well together. That is probably at least 70% of the reason why those teams of the 80's won on a consistent basis.

Until Mike, Kyle, and Jim can get the right players together, I am not really expecting much more than .500 from this team.

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Havent done the play-by-play yet, but I'm guessing theres not much at play here besides just not being good enough to win these games comfortably. Run/pass balance is an easy target because the game was close and we sure [I]could[/I] have run more, but if you're trying to score points, and you're not going with the best you have (passing game), then you have no one to blame but your own coaching staff.

I think we went with the best style of attack we had for the Vikings, and we executed, uh, I'd say well enough to beat a below average team like the Vikings. We needed to get in the end zone once more than we did and I think the drops are mostly responsible for why we did not.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;763416]This has probably been the thing that has bothered me the most over the past year. So many times the Redskins have had a chance to gain an advantage during games and so many times they've come up short. Today's examples were as follows.

Brandon Banks Punt Return: A block in the back against a player that had no chance of stopping Banks

Brandon Banks Kick Return: Getting the Skins to the Vikings 30 yard line and coming away with only a field goal

James Davis: Tripping on a play where he had what might have been the most wide opening running lane the Line has provided throughout the course of 2010.

And it's not just today. The countless dropped Int's, the wide open deep passes that are either underthrown, overthrown, or flat out dropped, bobbled holds on kicks, the holding calls on pivotal plays. And of course the one that bothers me more then the rest combined, getting turnovers that lead to red zone chances and then being lucky to come away with 3 points.

Maybe Zorn was right, this group of guys simply can't execute.[/quote]

All these things point to coaching. Shanny and his staff will not get it done.