2012 NFL Draft Prospects
 

Decided to make this thread so we can argue about the college quarterbacks and other players who we think will or won't succeed at the next level here instead of other threads.

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Hmm. I like the idea of this thread. Just thinking maybe it should be a bit more focused. And the thread title leaves it kind of open ended

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Any suggestions for a better title/focus?

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Um...well, I'd probably start by taking Luck out of the equation because he just skews the whole conversation. So, taking Luck out..

"Which College QB Should We Draft in 2012"

"Which College QB is Most Likely To Succeed In The NFL"

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[quote=SmootSmack;809122]Um...well, I'd probably start by taking Luck out of the equation because he just skews the whole conversation. So, taking Luck out..

"Which College QB Should We Draft in 2012"

"Which College QB is Most Likely To Succeed In The NFL"[/quote]Here's the seniors list.

[url=http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings/TSX/2012_QB]NFL Draft - 2012_QB Draft Prospects - CBSSports.com - NFLDraftScout.com[/url]

Luck is a college senior, but he won't be out of NCAA eligibility at the end of the year. It won't matter though. Even if he were to be injured and miss the 2011 season, I still think he'd declare for the 2012 draft. And he would be the first pick.

Kind of a blah list. I haven't seen very much of Ryan Tannehill, though Texas A&M is coached by Mike Sherman, so he's doing a lot of pro style stuff there. I don't even think that matters, except it explains why he tops the list. I think John Brantley's stock will soar during the season, but he'll then drop to the middle rounds during pre-draft workouts.

I think Cousins could be very intriguing. I don't know how good he actually is though. He can definitely handle a pro offense, and will be drafted. I like Foles a lot more than the NFL types do. I like Lindley a lot less than the NFL types do. I wouldn't write off Jacory Harris just yet. He looked like a surefire star two years ago. Dominique Davis is going to have great numbers at ECU and he's going to make scouts drool. Could be a first round pick. Dan Persa is the prototype NU spread QB with a marginal NFL skill set who will be just dominant enough in an underdog college offense to be drafted.

I just think that Luck and Landry Jones will be first round picks next year. And that Jones has the best chance of succeeding in the NFL if we throw out the Luck.

I think the college QB most likely to succeed in the NFL is Matt Barkley, for numerous reasons, including one that he likely won't be in the 2012 draft.

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Also, on the non-FBS player watch, Michael Paulus has been a really dominant player at William & Mary last season. I would put even odds on him being the Joe Flacco of the 2012 draft. He is a really good college player that no one knows about, in part because William & Mary used two quarterbacks as interchangeable starters last season.

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travis lewis LB Oklahoma is a big time player. Senior year should be huge

Justin Blackmon OKST WR

A. Jefferey WR SCAR

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We should tank the season so that we can draft Willy Korn at #1.

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[quote=NLC1054;809121]Any suggestions for a better title/focus?[/quote]
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Add to the list, Jacory Harris of Miami. I think he'll be a Heisman candidate this season as a senior. He's already 3rd in Hurricane history in yards and second in TD passes...and missed a quarter of his junior year due to a concussion. Kid can run well too.

He'll need to bulk up for the NFL at 6'4" and 195 pounds, but he has talent. He's been progressing and improving every year after looking unpolished early on.

I predict 3500 yards and 25 TDs in 2011 for him. In his sophomore season, he passed for 3300+ and 24 TDs, so it's nothing he has not done before.

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[quote=Monkeydad;809193]Add to the list, Jacory Harris of Miami. I think he'll be a Heisman candidate this season as a senior. He's already 3rd in Hurricane history in yards and second in TD passes...and missed a quarter of his junior year due to a concussion. Kid can run well too.

He'll need to bulk up for the NFL at 6'4" and 195 pounds, but he has talent. He's been progressing and improving every year after looking unpolished early on.

I predict 3500 yards and 25 TDs in 2011 for him. In his sophomore season, he passed for 3300+ and 24 TDs, so it's nothing he has not done before.[/quote]


Really? Man you talk about inconsistency...guy looks Mike Vick one game and tony banks the next. I worry about injury concerns, he doesnt "run strong" if it can be described that way when he scrambles. Miami could be horrible this year (again).

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[quote=Monkeydad;809193]Add to the list, Jacory Harris of Miami. I think he'll be a Heisman candidate this season as a senior. He's already 3rd in Hurricane history in yards and second in TD passes...and missed a quarter of his junior year due to a concussion. Kid can run well too.

He'll need to bulk up for the NFL at 6'4" and 195 pounds, but he has talent. He's been progressing and improving every year after looking unpolished early on.

I predict 3500 yards and 25 TDs in 2011 for him. In his sophomore season, he passed for 3300+ and 24 TDs, so it's nothing he has not done before.[/quote]

Jacory Harris will have to earn the starting job for starters, no pun intended. He has not been able to keep that job due to his inconsistency. He would be a 6-7th round pick at present and that's due in large part to his height. If the guy were a few inches shorter he would certainly be an UDFA.

He doesn't seem very smart & I'm not just saying that cause I'm a Cane hater.

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Ha, the Hokie fans are awake.

Harris is my sleeper pick for the next season and draft. :D

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I like Kirk Cousins. Michigan State seems to run the same kind of offense we do in spirit; strong run game, bootleg off the play action. Good arm, too.

His accuracy is scary sometimes though, and for all his physical talent, he has that "good Rex/bad Rex" thing too, where he could throw three touchdowns or he could throw three interceptions in any given game. But that said, I still like him. More than I like other guys, but I guess that's why I don't evaluate quarterbacks for a living.

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Would it not be better to see how they perform this year and then discuss. I mean allot can happen between now and the national championship.

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[quote=Monkeydad;809234][B]Ha, the Hokie fans are awake[/B].

Harris is my sleeper pick for the next season and draft. :D[/quote]

You got it! Good luck w/that sleeper, I only hate the canes when they're in college, they've been good to the skins, so if Harris comes around that's cool, just don't see him making it in the nfl.

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[quote=GTripp0012;809152]Here's the seniors list.

[url=http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings/TSX/2012_QB]NFL Draft - 2012_QB Draft Prospects - CBSSports.com - NFLDraftScout.com[/url]

Luck is a college senior, but he won't be out of NCAA eligibility at the end of the year. It won't matter though. Even if he were to be injured and miss the 2011 season, I still think he'd declare for the 2012 draft. And he would be the first pick.

Kind of a blah list. I haven't seen very much of Ryan Tannehill, though Texas A&M is coached by Mike Sherman, so he's doing a lot of pro style stuff there. I don't even think that matters, except it explains why he tops the list. I think John Brantley's stock will soar during the season, but he'll then drop to the middle rounds during pre-draft workouts.

I think Cousins could be very intriguing. I don't know how good he actually is though. He can definitely handle a pro offense, and will be drafted. I like Foles a lot more than the NFL types do. I like Lindley a lot less than the NFL types do. I wouldn't write off Jacory Harris just yet. He looked like a surefire star two years ago. Dominique Davis is going to have great numbers at ECU and he's going to make scouts drool. Could be a first round pick. Dan Persa is the prototype NU spread QB with a marginal NFL skill set who will be just dominant enough in an underdog college offense to be drafted.

I just think that Luck and Landry Jones will be first round picks next year. And that Jones has the best chance of succeeding in the NFL if we throw out the Luck.

I think the college QB most likely to succeed in the NFL is Matt Barkley, for numerous reasons, including one that he likely won't be in the 2012 draft.[/quote]

O man, if Landry Jones, Andrew Luck and Matt Barkley were all in this next upcoming draft I'd be so happy. Looking at whose in the market for a franchise qb, I'd say we have a very good shot at landing one of them.

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Has anyone mentioned Foles?

And FD I agree, but with the lockout the discussion options are limited. Better this than some other threads we've had

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This class could have 5 "legit" 1st rounders if Barkley comes out.

And Monkey you are correct Hokies fans are awake and shhhhhh but Logan Thomas is getting alot good press as there QB coming in this year. Looked like a monster this past spring.

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[quote=SmootSmack;809243]Has anyone mentioned Foles?

And FD I agree, but with the lockout the discussion options are limited. Better this than some other threads we've had[/quote]GTripp mentioned Foles.

I think that Foles is going to be picked apart to the level that no one will take him in the first round. That could be great for the Redskins though, because they could potentially get a franchise level prospect in the second round of the 2012 draft. And to my knowledge, we haven't yet traded that pick for an inside linebacker.

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Ahh yes, now I see the line about Foles

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[quote=firstdown;809238]Would it not be better to see how they perform this year and then discuss. I mean allot can happen between now and the national championship.[/quote]

You must of forgot we are in a lockout and need things to talk/discuss.

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Just look at this video, it's clear while Luck is probably going to be the first pick in the drafft...but I don't know, there's just something about him that...irks me. That doesn't quite sit right. I can't put my finger on it. He's clearly talented...but there's just...SOMETHING.

Maybe I should just chalk it up to him being a college QB and say he'll get better...

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I'm sure we won't draft high enough to get Luck, Barkley, or Landry Jones. The next best option for us at qb is Nick Foles. He's been spectacular so for this season. He has two 400 yd games and three 300 yard games. He's completing 70% of his passes against pretty stout competition. I think he has great size, great arm, great accuracy, decent mobility, and he's smart. I like this kid and I think he's going to be a great NFL qb. I know everyone is in love with Andrew Luck but this guy is a franchise qb.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayw5EhNV2JM]Nick Foles vs USC - YouTube[/ame]

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[quote=Landry44;846883]I'm sure we won't draft high enough to get Luck, Barkley, or Landry Jones. The next best option for us at qb is Nick Foles. He's been spectacular so for this season. He has two 400 yd games and three 300 yard games. He's completing 70% of his passes against pretty stout competition. I think he has great size, great arm, great accuracy, decent mobility, and he's smart. I like this kid and I think he's going to be a great NFL qb. I know everyone is in love with Andrew Luck but this guy is a franchise qb.

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayw5EhNV2JM]Nick Foles vs USC - YouTube[/url][/quote]

Oh I absolutely agree with you. Nick Foles reminds me of a lot of QBs. After watching that USC game, throughout the game I thought I was watching different NFL QB's play. I saw shades of Aaron Rodgers, Matt Ryan, Big Ben, and even Tom Brady. That last play of the highlight real reminded me of Brady how he stood still in the pocket danced a little, looked, looked, then fired a quick dart over the middle.

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watch Ryan Lindley

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[quote=CultBrennan59;846912]Oh I absolutely agree with you. Nick Foles reminds me of a lot of QBs. After watching that USC game, throughout the game I thought I was watching different NFL QB's play. I saw shades of Aaron Rodgers, Matt Ryan, Big Ben, and even Tom Brady. That last play of the highlight real reminded me of Brady how he stood still in the pocket danced a little, looked, looked, then fired a quick dart over the middle.[/quote]

says the guy with the breenan screen name. 50% of 1st rounders never amount to anything, and later rounds are even worse... so if it were me, i'd avoid using so many hyperbolic comparisons. colt looked like peytonin college right? hill of beans.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;846912]Oh I absolutely agree with you. Nick Foles reminds me of a lot of QBs. After watching that USC game, throughout the game I thought I was watching different NFL QB's play. I saw shades of Aaron Rodgers, Matt Ryan, Big Ben, and even Tom Brady. That last play of the highlight real reminded me of Brady how he stood still in the pocket danced a little, looked, looked, then fired a quick dart over the middle.[/quote] Nick Foles is stud at qb. I hope he remains under the radar for most fans and teams. Whoever does their homework and really look at what this guy brings to the table will be impressed with his skill set. You make a lot of great points about the USC games. He made great decisions in that game under a lot of pressure. This guy is forreal.

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[quote=Landry44;846883]I'm sure we won't draft high enough to get Luck, Barkley, or Landry Jones. The next best option for us at qb is Nick Foles. He's been spectacular so for this season. He has two 400 yd games and three 300 yard games. He's completing 70% of his passes against pretty stout competition. I think he has great size, [B]great arm[/B], great accuracy, decent mobility, and he's smart. I like this kid and I think he's going to be a great NFL qb. I know everyone is in love with Andrew Luck but this guy is a franchise qb.[/quote]

I will agree that there is a lot to like about Foles. But I disagree about the arm part. IMO the guy does not have such a strong arm, so he throws a lot of rainbows which may connect in college but won't in the NFL. In the NFL he will need to throw more ropes rather than rainbows.

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Is there any reason no one is talking about Robert Griffin III out of Baylor? Kid's having a monster year (and apparently a more than solid college career overall).

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^ Slinging Sammy 33 has mentioned RG3. The kid looks like a solid prospect.

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^RG3 faces some real competition over the next couple of weeks. As good as he's looked, we should know a lot more about him by Halloween.

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[quote=r08kessl;846924]Is there any reason no one is talking about Robert Griffin III out of Baylor? Kid's having a monster year (and apparently a more than solid college career overall).[/quote]

His completion percentage is over 80 right now. wow

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[quote=Lotus;846921]I will agree that there is a lot to like about Foles. But I disagree about the arm part. IMO the guy does not have such a strong arm, so he throws a lot of rainbows which may connect in college but won't in the NFL. In the NFL he will need to throw more ropes rather than rainbows.[/quote]
You know what I actually agree with. He doesn't have a rocket like McNabb or Ryan Mallet. However, he does have a good arm. He can make all of the throws.

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[quote=r08kessl;846924]Is there any reason no one is talking about Robert Griffin III out of Baylor? Kid's having a monster year (and apparently a more than solid college career overall).[/quote]
I think he has some talent but he's not a first round pick.

Patrick Witt....boom!

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[quote=That Guy;846914]says the guy with the breenan screen name. 50% of 1st rounders never amount to anything, and later rounds are even worse... so if it were me, i'd avoid using so many hyperbolic comparisons. colt looked like peytonin college right? hill of beans.[/quote]

It's not like I can change this screen name...

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Why is no one here talking about Tannehill? I haven't seen much of him but he is putting up some nice numbers.

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God this class is so loaded.

Every year the QB class seems somewhat underwhelming, and so I've taken something of a "wait for next year" attitude. Well, next year is coming. Now. There are so many first round QBs that we shouldn't have to trade anywhere to land the right guy.

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[quote=GTripp0012;846973]God this class is so loaded.

Every year the QB class seems somewhat underwhelming, and so I've taken something of a "wait for next year" attitude. Well, next year is coming. Now. There are so many first round QBs that we shouldn't have to trade anywhere to land the right guy.[/quote]

1. Luck
2. Barkley*
3. Landry Jones
4. Robert Griffin III*
5. Tannehill
6. Nick Foles
7. Kellen Moore
8. Kirk Cousins
9. Ryan Lindley
10. Tyler Wilson*
11. Brandon Weeden
12. John Brantley
13. Brock Osweiler
14. Danye Crist
15. EJ Manuel*


Obviously we are not getting Luck. But QB's #3-7, #9-10 would all look good in Skin uniforms as our starting QB next year.