Report claims Redskins won't cut Haynesworth
 

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I disagree with Rosenthal. I think this is the right move.

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I'm sure someone will give us a draft pick for him as discussed in the other [URL="http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-locker-room/42637-haynesworth-wanted-badly-eagles-d-line.html"]thread[/URL].

In the end, the team just needs to move on from him, and honestly so do a lot of fans.

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This is no surprise

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no surprise, but it comes in writting now. no longer speculation, its just what is happening.

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YOU know.....if we could strip off 150 pounds or so off of Big.....get him in gear for say a 4.2 forty (just DON'T ask him to run the F....n shuttle), we could get AL's first rounder for next year?

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[quote=skinster;809818]no surprise, but it comes in writting now. no longer speculation, its just what is happening.[/quote]

I thought that this had been reported before.

Regardless, I would say that the Redskins will find a market for him. It is to their benefit to have stories like this out there, so teams won't wait out for him to get cut. But at the same time, the Redskins need to be flexible on the price. Honestly, his best destination will likely be Denver, since they are in desperate need of a 4-3 DT. If Philadelphia offers the best price, then I say deal him.

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[quote=skinster;809818]no surprise, but it comes in writting now. no longer speculation, its just what is happening.[/quote]

But...but...but I've written it here before.

Seriously though, for all intents and purposes even in writing it's still speculation, though credible speculation

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Honestly, I say keep him. Forever. Unless you get a big trade offer for him.

What's he going to do, decide to waste his entire career in a beef over position preference? I think even he'll grow up when he realizes he's not helping his case for the next big payday, or when he realizes he's not being recognized as the impact player he knows he can be.

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[quote=skinster;809813]I disagree with Rosenthal. I think this is the right move.[/quote]

Me too. Fck Phatso. Last thing I wanna see is him getting another big pay day.

Not only do I want a draft pick for AH, I want a HIGH draft pick.

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[quote=Schneed10;809823]Honestly, I say keep him. Forever. Unless you get a big trade offer for him.

What's he going to do, decide to waste his entire career in a beef over position preference? [B]I think even he'll grow up when he realizes he's not helping his case for the next big payday, or when he realizes he's not being recognized as the impact player he knows he can be.[/B][/quote]Yep. It's Psychology of Haynesworth 101. The more time goes by, the more this seems like the obviously correct play.

You have a player who can change the fortunes of your entire defense on a team friendly contract. There's no reason to give that away, whether or not it succeeds or fails. We may never get another snap out of Haynesworth again, and it's still the right play.

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Meh.......we new this months ago.

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It'll just be national media that'll jump down Mike's throat if they don't move him. And it won't be a distraction that would get asked about endlessly. So you have to weigh the potential headache of Haynesworth the team distraction versus not letting the ****head get his way.

I mean everything he's done in the past year has been, in essense, to get traded or cut. Why give him what he wants, especially when he's been a ginormous douchenozzle? Part of me just wants him gone, the other part of me just wants him to rot and let his trade value shrivel up for another year.

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Look at that Turtle go...Bro!
This off season is like a tooth ache.
It is like Athlete's Foot....very irritating.

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Can we PLEASE have football now!?

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we should trade him to anyone..even philly

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ESPN released an article the other day that said since 2008 Haynesworth has constantly been one of the 5 best DT's in the game, when he was on the field.

[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/28133/study-haynesworth-still-a-top-three-dt]Study: Haynesworth still a top-three DT - NFC East Blog - ESPN[/url]

[QUOTE]Fair to say things haven’t gone exactly to plan in Washington for the former Titan. Staggeringly though, when he’s been on the field he continues to be as good a DT as there is out there (even though he may be as scrutinized a defensive player as there is). Despite the pretty low sack totals in Washington, in his first year there, he was a top five defensive tackle and not that far off his best year. Even last year he generated pressure in the sub package defense. If you can get him playing his best then he’s a bargain whatever the price.[/QUOTE]

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Well hopefully that translates into good picks

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[quote=Dirtbag59;809843]ESPN released an article the other day that said since 2008 Haynesworth has constantly been one of the 5 best DT's in the game, when he was on the field.

[URL="http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/28133/study-haynesworth-still-a-top-three-dt"]Study: Haynesworth still a top-three DT - NFC East Blog - ESPN[/URL][/quote]

No ,ESPN didn't say it... 'Pro Football Focus " did...Espn just discussed the artical.

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[quote=Giantone;809846]No ,ESPN didn't say it... 'Pro Football Focus " did...Espn just discussed the artical.[/quote]

Splitting hairs.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;809848]Splitting hairs.[/quote]

Well the difference is we drive revenue from releasing the article...but we don't profit from it. :)

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I say we should keep him and let him rot. I am tired of everyone saying cut him, because he is a "distraction" bull. From what I see right now we suck. We are working to get better but don’t give in to this slob. Make him suffer or give the money back. You have already paid him a huge bonus, so make some team give you an offer you can’t refuse for him then he can leave. What is going to happen if he gets cut is some team is going to pay him and he is going to find this new found desire to be a team player, then he could cry “it was all the Redskins fault” I wanted to play or it was the “Shanahans” they were the problem when it was his fat butt being lazy. You know some Skins basher would take his side and write a bunch of garbage about us. We will have another disgruntle player leaving DC and talking a bunch of smack of how bad it was there. Either make someone take him from us or let him rot.

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[quote=bigdaddy2348;809875]I say we should keep him and let him rot. I am tired of everyone saying cut him, because he is a "distraction" bull. From what I see right now we suck. We are working to get better but don’t give in to this slob. Make him suffer or give the money back. You have already paid him a huge bonus, so make some team give you an offer you can’t refuse for him then he can leave. What is going to happen if he gets cut is some team is going to pay him and he is going to find this new found desire to be a team player, then he could cry “it was all the Redskins fault” I wanted to play or it was the “Shanahans” they were the problem when it was his fat butt being lazy. You know some Skins basher would take his side and write a bunch of garbage about us. We will have another disgruntle player leaving DC and talking a bunch of smack of how bad it was there. Either make someone take him from us or let him rot.[/quote]

With regards to "getting back the money"
They aren't getting it back, just like you expect folks with low credit scores to pay their debts voluntarily or expecting some advance fee scammer to pay you what they promise. NOT happening. There were rumors that they already tried to take it back last offseason, but nothing came of it. And yeah, the fat bastard was sued by Clayton Bank & Trust for not paying back a 2.38 million dollar loan.

With regards to the media bashing
Who gives a shit? Let the media babble. The team is in the business to win a Super Bowl, not in a beauty pagent for "most beautiful reputation".

"Make someone take him from us"? How? By pointing a gun to Tom Coughlin's head? Most teams would be overjoyed at having an opponent have only a 52 man roster over a 53 man roster. It takes two to complete a transaction, and the buyers won't be overspending over an unreliable player with only a short-term return. We'll probably cut him or trade him for cheap to Cincy.

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[quote=bigdaddy2348;809875]I say we should keep him and let him rot. I am tired of everyone saying cut him, because he is a "distraction" bull. From what I see right now we suck. We are working to get better but don’t give in to this slob. Make him suffer or give the money back. You have already paid him a huge bonus, so make some team give you an offer you can’t refuse for him then he can leave. [B]What is going to happen if he gets cut is some team is going to pay him and he is going to find this new found desire to be a team player, then he could cry “it was all the Redskins fault” I wanted to play or it was the “Shanahans” they were the problem when it was his fat butt being lazy. You know some Skins basher would take his side and write a bunch of garbage about us. We will have another disgruntle player leaving DC and talking a bunch of smack of how bad it was there. Either make someone take him from us or let him rot.[/B][/quote]

And why is that important?

I understand the team wanting to recoup something financially. But I don't understand the whole "let's not cut him to teach him a lesson" or "let's not cut him so he doesn't do well in another team" philosophy.

Part of this was the team's fault, it was their fault for going after a player like this, paying him a ton of money, and then pin their hopes this past season on him to play NT. As I have always said, Vinny's f*ck ups are not going to be cheap to fix, and this one is the biggest one of them all.

Haynesworth needs to be gone from this team period. You know how Shanahan and BA can change the culture of the team? By NOT GOING AFTER FAT HEAD CASES AND PAYING THEM $41 DOLLARS IN GUARANTEED MONEY! That's it, there's no need to waste a roster spot on this guy, no need to keep paying, and no need to carry on this circus.

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By keeping AH and "making him suffer", you're also making the entire team suffer. The best thing the team can do is get rid of him as quickly as possible. Even if it's for a low round pick, just get him outta here.

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I find it unlikely that any possible ramifications of.....ditching/keeping BIG have been overlooked by the Shanahan's or BA. While I would love to be done with it and move on, I will defer to their knowledge and expertise in this case. Fans know.....little of what is REALLY going on behind closed doors in the NFL........

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[quote=Mattyk;809897]By keeping AH and "making him suffer", you're also making the entire team suffer. The best thing the team can do is get rid of him as quickly as possible. Even if it's for a low round pick, just get him outta here.[/quote]

I don't agree. If he continues to be non-compliant we should have the legal discourse to retain his contract while deactivating him from the 53-man roster. I don't think our options are limited to:

- Keeping him and paying him
- Releasing or trading him

We should be able to Keyshawn his ass if he's not living up to his contract. I doubt any mediator would side with Haynesworth in a situation where he's knowingly and purposely not doing what he's told.

It's in our best interests to keep him and let him come around. What's he going to do, pout forever? Eventually, once you realized you had no option, wouldn't you want to make an impact again? If he continues to be a non-compliant piece of junk you Keyshawn him and get him out of your locker room. But you don't have to give him away for nothing.

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I'm just tired of the circus, as I'm sure many in Redskins Park are too as well. We've got more important things to worry about. Get him outta here and let's move on.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;809838]we should trade him to anyone..even philly[/quote]

Trade him to Philly, which will motivate him twice a year against us...and playing for his old D-line coach that made him a Pro Bowler? Great idea...there's a reason why the Eagles really want him.

[URL="http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ms-silver_eagles_eagerly_anticipate_start_of_free_agency_061511"]Eagles eagerly anticipate start of free agency - NFL - Yahoo! Sports[/URL]

If they want him, they're going to have to pay a high price.

[IMG]http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/4213/cricketstare.gif[/IMG]

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[quote=Monkeydad;809931]Trade him to Philly, which will motivate him twice a year against us...and playing for his old D-line coach that made him a Pro Bowler? Great idea...there's a reason why the Eagles really want him.

[URL="http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ms-silver_eagles_eagerly_anticipate_start_of_free_agency_061511"]Eagles eagerly anticipate start of free agency - NFL - Yahoo! Sports[/URL]

If they want him, they're going to have to pay a high price.

[IMG]http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/4213/cricketstare.gif[/IMG][/quote]

interesting video,

anyway I think that A) it's just two games, so I don't really care/ I'm not that worried that he'll go out and have a great game against us. B) You're going to get more of a high pick out of the eagles than any other team.
C) I'll take my chances against him for 2 games out of a 16 game season, even though he also gets injured a lot and sits out for half of a game.

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[quote=Mattyk;809929]I'm just tired of the circus, as I'm sure many in Redskins Park are too as well. [B]We've got more important things to worry about.[/B] Get him outta here and let's move on.[/quote]

Bingo.

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[quote=Mattyk;809929]I'm just tired of the circus, as I'm sure many in Redskins Park are too as well. We've got more important things to worry about. Get him outta here and let's move on.[/quote]

But that's an emotional reaction, we're all fatigued by his bullshit. But we shouldn't let the emotion get the best of us; after all his feelings about the 3-4 are what's driving this whole thing anyway.

Feelings change over time. I remain convinced he'll come around.

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[quote=Schneed10;809940]But that's an emotional reaction, we're all fatigued by his bullshit. But we shouldn't let the emotion get the best of us; after all his feelings about the 3-4 are what's driving this whole thing anyway.

Feelings change over time. I remain convinced he'll come around.[/quote]

Honestly, I feel that even if AH had a good attitude about the 3-4, playing him in this system it'd be a waste.

I must say that you give him a lot of credit if you feel like he'll come around. Unfortunately I don't and if he stays it'll be a circus all over again.

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[quote=Schneed10;809940]But that's an emotional reaction, we're all fatigued by his bullshit. But we shouldn't let the emotion get the best of us; after all his feelings about the 3-4 are what's driving this whole thing anyway.
[B]
Feelings change over time. I remain convinced he'll come around.[/B][/quote]

Well, he's going to need to have a massive attitude/effort overhaul, and win over a locker room full of players and coaches who not only don't respect him, but have been openly critical of him in the media.

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[quote=Ruhskins;809949]Honestly, I feel that even if AH had a good attitude about the 3-4, playing him in this system it'd be a waste.

I must say that you give him a lot of credit if you feel like he'll come around. [B]Unfortunately I don't and if he stays it'll be a circus all over again[/B].[/quote]

Agreed. The guy has shown over and over again both on the field and off that he has no desire whatsoever to be a good man or a good football player. He's got his money. What's going to motivate him?

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[quote=GMScud;809951]Agreed. The guy has shown over and over again both on the field and off that he has no desire whatsoever to be a good man or a good football player. He's got his money. What's going to motivate him?[/quote]

More money.

You act like he's not spending that giant wad of cash and instead pulling a Carson Palmer or Robert Smith and saving for retirement. With a yacht like his, you know he's blowing through that money.

I'm not giving him any credit as a person. I think the only thing that's going to motivate the guy is cold hard cash.

One of these days he's going to have to play in a dominant fashion if he wants another contract. And he will have to do it for more than just one full season in order to convince people he deserves a big payday. You know his agent is telling him that.

It's just a matter of whether we force him to do it with us, or allow him to do it with someone else.

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[quote=Schneed10;809963]More money.

You act like he's not spending that giant wad of cash and instead pulling a Carson Palmer or Robert Smith and saving for retirement. With a yacht like his, you know he's blowing through that money.

I'm not giving him any credit as a person. I think the only thing that's going to motivate the guy is cold hard cash.

[B]One of these days he's going to have to play in a dominant fashion if he wants another contract.[/B] And he will have to do it for more than just one full season in order to convince people he deserves a big payday. You know his agent is telling him that.

It's just a matter of whether we force him to do it with us, or allow him to do it with someone else.[/quote]

Meh, he's already 30. He had his big payday. Even if he goes balls out the next 2 years, nobody is going to give an aging DT with major attitude problems another monster contract.

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Players like Haynesworth are too well protected by the rules that have been put in place through union representation and CBA's. I well remember a time when he would not be able to play another down for any team in the league. The only contract he would see would be the one taken out on him.

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The guy has no heart or passion for the game, I wouldn't be surprised if he's out of football completely sooner rather than later.

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[quote=Mattyk;809977]Meh, he's already 30. He had his big payday. Even if he goes balls out the next 2 years, nobody is going to give an aging DT with major attitude problems another monster contract.[/quote]

But Haynesworth won't think that way. If anything, as he ages he'll realize he has only one more chance to cash in and it's getting to the midnight hour, and his attitude will change.

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And you need look no further than Michael Vick to see that teams are willing to take a shot on a questionable player. He's out of football, you don't know whether he'll still have any athleticism, the Eagles take a chance with a $5 million deal and boom, instant franchise QB.

If Haynesworth continues to act like a bum, he'll still get a couple mill from somebody just on the off chance he might dominate. But if he actually dominates for us in the closing years of his deal? Someone will pay him a big chunk of change, guaranteed.