One Last Luck vs RGIII Thread
 

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/early-lead/post/nfl-draft-andrew-luck-keeps-low-profile-while-rgiii-soars/2012/04/23/gIQA3dsDcT_blog.html]NFL draft: Andrew Luck keeps low profile while RGIII soars - The Early Lead - The Washington Post[/url]


I recently read this article about Luck's arrival in New York. Very, very low profile. It is said that during these past few months all he has been doing is studying film with Tom Moore. Analyzing plays and defenses in the NFL.

RGIII, like it or not has been enjoying the hype machine. Making appearances everywhere and making money for himself. Don't get me wrong, I want to know more about our future QB, but is he more sizzle, than steak? Is he out in the media too much? Would you rather he be studying tape and disecting how to deal with NFL defensive fronts than on the front page of ESPN the magazine.

Im afraid all this hype can set him and us up for failure. What does the Warpath think?

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[quote=diehardskin2982;911054][url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/early-lead/post/nfl-draft-andrew-luck-keeps-low-profile-while-rgiii-soars/2012/04/23/gIQA3dsDcT_blog.html]NFL draft: Andrew Luck keeps low profile while RGIII soars - The Early Lead - The Washington Post[/url]


I recently read this article about Luck's arrival in New York. Very, very low profile. It is said that during these past few months all he has been doing is studying film with Tom Moore. Analyzing plays and defenses in the NFL.

RGIII, like it or not has been enjoying the hype machine. Making appearances everywhere and making money for himself. Don't get me wrong, I want to know more about our future QB, but is he more sizzle, than steak? Is he out in the media too much? Would you rather he be studying tape and disecting how to deal with NFL defensive fronts than on the front page of ESPN the magazine.

Im afraid all this hype can set him and us up for failure. What does the Warpath think?[/quote]

It's not an either/or. Griffin has been making media appearances AND studying tape with Kyle.

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I'd like to believe that but, the more time out making appearances= less time with chalk talk. Plus doesn't Kyle need to get ready for the draft, how much time does he have to travel to texas? I know it was reported but how muchof that report was to fuel the hype machine.

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[quote=diehardskin2982;911054][url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/early-lead/post/nfl-draft-andrew-luck-keeps-low-profile-while-rgiii-soars/2012/04/23/gIQA3dsDcT_blog.html]NFL draft: Andrew Luck keeps low profile while RGIII soars - The Early Lead - The Washington Post[/url]


I recently read this article about Luck's arrival in New York. Very, very low profile. It is said that during these past few months all he has been doing is studying film with Tom Moore. Analyzing plays and defenses in the NFL.

RGIII, like it or not has been enjoying the hype machine. Making appearances everywhere and making money for himself. Don't get me wrong, I want to know more about our future QB, but is he more sizzle, than steak? Is he out in the media too much? Would you rather he be studying tape and disecting how to deal with NFL defensive fronts than on the front page of ESPN the magazine.

Im afraid all this hype can set him and us up for failure. What does the Warpath think?[/quote]

That has been my fear recently as well. I hope this all sort of calms down after the draft, but I would rather him have his nose in the playbook too.

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[quote=diehardskin2982;911060]I'd like to believe that but, the more time out making appearances= less time with chalk talk. Plus doesn't Kyle need to get ready for the draft, how much time does he have to travel to texas? I know it was reported but how muchof that report was to fuel the hype machine.[/quote]
And Tony Romo's golfing has kept him from having a 100+ qb rating. Oh wait...


It's the offseason, the kid hasn't even been picked yet, and was working on a Master's in Law. I am not really concerned that he won't grasp the idea of how to study a playbook.

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Luck is boring and he is going to a small market team. At least that is what I think the media thinks of him. All the RG3 hype has been pretty much created by the media, and he has handled it very well. I don't think he's said anything stupid and the only negative things out there are Albert Breer's insistence on reporting something negative about RG3.

As we know, RG3 has spent time or is spending time with Kyle S. studying the playbook, and I am sure this will be stepped up after the draft.

Also, isn't Tom Moore working for the Jets right now?

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Well Tom Moore is not with the Jets anymore.

Also, much of Luck's low profile is not necessarily by his choosing. He's not the most "charming" person so media companies/advertisers are not heavily pursuing him. Not yet at least

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As to the thread title, if this actually is the LAST Luck vs RGIII thread, I will be astounded.

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[quote=SmootSmack;911066]Well Tom Moore is not with the Jets anymore.

Also, much of Luck's low profile is not necessarily by his choosing. He's not the most "charming" person so media companies/advertisers are not heavily pursuing him. Not yet at least[/quote]

I know there was a lot of media hype behind Newton...I can't remember being this much hype for any of the other first round QBs before last year.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;911069]As to the thread title, if this actually is the LAST Luck vs RGIII thread, I will be astounded.[/quote]

I thought the same thing

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LOL Last RGIII/ Luck thread title, not hardly!

What do you guys think in terms of the hype machine and if that is setting the Redskins up for failure? We gave up 2 additional first rounders and a 2nd round pick plus all the hype. This could become the biggest mistake in NFL history (Devil's Advocate moment) thoughts?

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[quote=Ruhskins;911065]Luck is boring and he is going to a small market team. At least that is what I think the media thinks of him. All the RG3 hype has been pretty much created by the media, and he has handled it very well. I don't think he's said anything stupid and the only negative things out there are Albert Breer's insistence on reporting something negative about RG3.

[B]As we know, RG3 has spent time or is spending time with Kyle S. studying the playbook, and I am sure this will be stepped up after the draft.[/B]

Also, isn't Tom Moore working for the Jets right now?[/quote]

With the new CBA, will RG3 and Kyle be allowed to continue their training sessions or are the current workouts simply workout and no film study?

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I think it just comes down to their different personalities. Luck is more low key, RG3 embraces the spotlight. Neither is the right or wrong way, they're just different guys. I wouldn't assume that just because RG3 is more in the spotlight that he's not working his tail off when it comes to football. Luck has had his share of magazine covers too.

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Luck is going on Letterman's show before the draft. So much for a low profile.

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[quote=diehardskin2982;911074]LOL Last RGIII/ Luck thread title, not hardly!

What do you guys think in terms of the hype machine and if that is setting the Redskins up for failure? We gave up 2 additional first rounders and a 2nd round pick plus all the hype. This could become the biggest mistake in NFL history (Devil's Advocate moment) thoughts?[/quote]

I was one of the few that was 100% against the trade and still am. I think after the draft, and once all the hype is settled, he'll get is head in the playbook and start grinding. We're not going to know if this trade was a mistake until a few years down the line.

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I've been thinking about this as well.


Just because RG3 has the personality, doesn't mean he's going to be successful playing in the NFL. Luck reminds me a lot of peyton manning, in terms of how they talk, act, and their humbleness.

While its true that RG3 is riding his fame wave, you got to keep in mind that WE care about him more than any other player in the draft, because we know he will be our future QB. I'm sure Colt fans are following Luck real closely as well.

Like people said, he still is getting in his hours worth of playbook knowledge with Kyle Shanahan, now it may not be as much time as Luck, because Luck loves studying and reading and Luck also knows that the pressure is on since he IS going to be the number 1 pick.

This draft has a lot of feels to it, but lets hope its not like the 1998 draft, and its more like the 2004 draft.

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is it official official now???

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[IMG]https://p.twimg.com/ArRALTTCMAEwe8m.jpg[/IMG]

[B]Rachel Nichols ‏ @Rachel__Nichols

Had a fun shoot with @RGIII & our @E60 crew as draft week starts to get crazy! Catch the interview tonight at 7p EDT[/B]



Smoot, you never commented on Rachel. How was she in terms of a personality around ESPN?

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Never saw her once while I was there that I can recall....but we did grow up together and had many common friends

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[quote=SmootSmack;911160]Never saw her once while I was there that I can recall....but we did grow up together and had many common friends[/quote]

....hold on. isnt that codename for SS hit it?

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hahaha....no

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[quote=NC_Skins;911157][IMG]https://p.twimg.com/ArRALTTCMAEwe8m.jpg[/IMG]

[B]Rachel Nichols ‏ @Rachel__Nichols

Had a fun shoot with @RGIII & our @E60 crew as draft week starts to get crazy! Catch the interview tonight at 7p EDT[/B]



Smoot, you never commented on Rachel. How was she in terms of a personality around ESPN?[/quote]

damn Id tell RN to keep the heels on. that thing is super fine

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I didn't know where to post this so uh... Here?

[url=http://www.buzzfeed.com/mikemehalick/subway-built-a-barbecue-chicken-bust-of-rgiii]Subway Built A Barbecue Chicken Bust Of RGIII[/url]

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Rachel Nichols is eh imo.


Jenn Brown on the other hand..Excellent!

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ms. brown is fine but i wouldnt say no to either, if you say you would your lying

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Non issue.
Cam did a crap ton of media.

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RG3 vs. Luck is no contest. It's been said that Luck is more pro ready because RG3 had played in the spread offense. Put Luck in the spread and RG3 in a pro offense and what do you got? People would then be saying that RG3 is a better prospect than Luck.

So, to me it's even and therefore no contest. What the other can do in one style of offense, the other can do in another style of offense.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;911207]RG3 vs. Luck is no contest. It's been said that Luck is more pro ready because RG3 had played in the spread offense. Put Luck in the spread and RG3 in a pro offense and what do you got? People would then be saying that RG3 is a better prospect than Luck.

So, to me it's even and therefore no contest. What the other can do in one style of offense, the other can do in another style of offense.[/quote]

I look at it this way. Luck took a calculus 2 course at Stanford (pro style offense) while RG3 took a Pre-Calculus course (spread-option offense). Both QB's aced their respective courses. Luck had the easier teacher (Pac 10 defenses) but in the end both are very smart. However right now Luck is much more prepared to handle the calculus 3 that is an NFL offense then RG3. At least in terms of learning it.

I still think RG3 will have the better year as he is surrounded by a better team and the AFC South defenses Luck will be facing in division (Titans, Texans, and Jaguars) all ranked in the top 10 last year and that was after adjusting for strength of schedule. NFC East offenses weren't to bad but at the same time they're not great either.

I really think though that Luck vs Griffin is going to be the NFL's version of Bird vs Magin and Gretzky vs Lemieux.

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[url=http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/andrew-luck-being-sued-just-draft-172940179.html]Andrew Luck is being sued just before the draft | Shutdown Corner - Yahoo! Sports[/url]

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[quote=The Goat;911211][url=http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/andrew-luck-being-sued-just-draft-172940179.html]Andrew Luck is being sued just before the draft | Shutdown Corner - Yahoo! Sports[/url][/quote]

LMAO.

[quote]He's being sued by [B]Leaf [/B]Trading Cards.[/quote]

A sign of things to come? lol.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;911212]LMAO.



A sign of things to come? lol.[/quote]

Thought the same thing! I'm not superstitious but it still looks like a bad omen hehehe...

RG3 compared himself to a cowboy great, Roger Staubach.


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[quote=skinsfan69;911085]I was one of the few that was 100% against the trade and still am. I think after the draft, and once all the hype is settled, he'll get is head in the playbook and start grinding. We're not going to know if this trade was a mistake until a few years down the line.[/quote]

I was not in favor of giving up 3 #1s and a #2 to move up 4 spots this year. But, we get the QB we have needed for years, but little to help him on the OL. Same as last year, and the year before, but now, we will not have all of those #1s to re-load the line. Hope RGIII stays healthy, and hope we get some help for the OL later in the Draft. I was more in favor of trading back like we did for Kerrigan in order to net more picks. That seemed to work very well, and seems more like a way to continue to re-load like the Patriots.

Gotta trust Shan-Allen!

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[quote=Dirtbag59;911210]I look at it this way. Luck took a calculus 2 course at Stanford (pro style offense) while RG3 took a Pre-Calculus course (spread-option offense). Both QB's aced their respective courses. Luck had the easier teacher (Pac 10 defenses) but in the end both are very smart. However right now Luck is much more prepared to handle the calculus 3 that is an NFL offense then RG3. At least in terms of learning it.[/quote]I'm trying to follow your analogy but I think it makes it more complicated.
Luck is not the 1st QB to come from a 'pro-style' offense and even that label 'pro-style' is a misconception because more and more NFL offense are using spread concepts as part of their base packages.
Some teams are in shotgun between 50-60% of their offensive plays (not just pass plays but total offensive plays).
Also, Luck comes from a particular style of offenses the WCO and IIRC Bruce Arians comes from the digit system not the WCO so the core concepts and verbiage will be different.

Imo coachability and football intellect are far more important then being 'pro-ready' because regardless of how pro-ready a prospect maybe (unless they go into the exact same offense) they are still gonna have to learn a new offense and learn the NFL defenses both learning curves are steep departure from college.

tldr:
being pro-ready is a very short lived advantage that may not last past training camp

[QUOTE=backrow;911241]I was not in favor of giving up 3 #1s and a #2 to move up 4 spots this year. But, we get the QB we have needed for years, but little to help him on the OL. Same as last year, and the year before, but now, we will not have all of those #1s to re-load the line. Hope RGIII stays healthy, and hope we get some help for the OL later in the Draft. I was more in favor of trading back like we did for Kerrigan in order to net more picks. That seemed to work very well, and seems more like a way to continue to re-load like the Patriots.

Gotta trust Shan-Allen![/QUOTE]

Here we go again, we gave up 2 #1 picks not 3.


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The way RGIII handles the media reminds me of how Jason C did. He doesn't seem to have the chip on his shoulder that young Mike Vick had. He is in the spot light, and he's worked hard to get there. I have no issues with him doing it, as long as his play on the field isn't affected. If I had the money and attention he's getting, I would make Charlie Sheen look like Tim Tebow.

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[quote=redskins5044;911243]Here we go again, we gave up 2 #1 picks not 3.


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Ooooooh! Let me count again! This years, next years, and the one the year after! You're right! :goodjob:

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[quote=Dirtbag59;911210]I look at it this way. Luck took a calculus 2 course at Stanford (pro style offense) while RG3 took a Pre-Calculus course (spread-option offense). Both QB's aced their respective courses. Luck had the easier teacher (Pac 10 defenses) but in the end both are very smart. However right now Luck is much more prepared to handle the calculus 3 that is an NFL offense then RG3. At least in terms of learning it.

I still think RG3 will have the better year as he is surrounded by a better team and the AFC South defenses Luck will be facing in division (Titans, Texans, and Jaguars) all ranked in the top 10 last year and that was after adjusting for strength of schedule. NFC East offenses weren't to bad but at the same time they're not great either.

I really think though that Luck vs Griffin is going to be the NFL's version of Bird vs Magin and Gretzky vs Lemieux.[/quote]

I loved everything you said until you compared them to other sports with players that are actually on the field/court at the same time. Quarterbacks dont have rivalries with one another. Offensive Tackles/Defensive Ends, and Wideouts/Cornerbacks do.

[QUOTE=backrow;911340]Ooooooh! Let me count again! This years, next years, and the one the year after! You're right! :goodjob:[/QUOTE]

One pick was a swap. Different than giving away or trading.

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gross: we gave up 3 #1 picks
net: we gave up 2 #1 picks

can we agree on this?