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As reported in the [url="http://www.washtimes.com/sports/20050222-123834-8489r.htm"]Washington Times[/url] they mention an interesting but unlikely scenario of sending Coles back to NY in exchange for DE John Abraham.

The article also mentions the team is frustrated with Coles' attitude and unwillingness to have toe surgery.

We may also be interested in just cut Titan's CB Samari Rolle, but character issues could be a potential snag.

We also re-signed RB John Simon, we can all breathe a huge sigh of relief now!

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You know the more I think about Coles leaving the more I don't care if he leaves. I think him not having surgery on his toe is hurting the team. Is he just refusing to have it done so we will want him to leave? This would make his negotations about the signing bonus work in his favor because we do not want him if he refuses surgery. Would other teams want him if he refuses to have surgery and would he opt to have the procedure after we let him go? He must be realy unhappy because it will be hard for him to receive a contract close to what he has now. I think there is alot we do not know about this situation.

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With the departure of Coles whether its a trade or release. It's going to be interesting to see who else goes. We're obviously are taking a huge cap hit if we trade Coles, so that means that we might have to "unload" some of our bigger contracts or restructure some contracts. Either way this whole thing is all f****d up now.


Thanks LC.

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The Skins are trying to have Coles still give up the $5M bonus he is due even if he is traded, but the players union is very likely to raise a stink about this.

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Can the Skins still restructure LC's contract before they trade him?

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[QUOTE=Redskins_P]Can the Skins still restructure LC's contract before they trade him?[/QUOTE]

Possibly, but the bottom line is they owe him his bonus money, I'm not sure if a restructure will help any, and again, the players union will probably raise holy hell regardless of what the Skins try to do.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Possibly, but the bottom line is they owe him his bonus money, I'm not sure if a restructure will help any, and again, the players union will probably raise holy hell regardless of what the Skins try to do.[/QUOTE]

Damn this sucks. I swear we're cursed man. Hate to sound like Boston Red Sox fan, but I feel like we're cursed. Dammit. :mad:

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[QUOTE=Redskins_P]Can the Skins still restructure LC's contract before they trade him?[/QUOTE]

Coles would have to agree to any restructuring of the contract he is about to dissolve. I doubt he would accomodate the Front Office in any way at this point.

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[QUOTE=Beemnseven]Coles would have to agree to any restructuring of the contract he is about to dissolve. I doubt he would accomodate the Front Office in any way at this point.[/QUOTE]

I disagree, I think he would be happy to accomodate the front office if it means he can get the hell out of here. One possibility for him is to give the $5 million bonus back to the Redskins, making the cap hit easier and therefore making him more tradeable. Then, once he's traded, he would ask that his new team give him the $5 million bonus back. This way he'd come out even on the deal, the new team would have a stud receiver for only a $5 million bonus, and the Skins would get a player or picks in return.

And a $5 million signing bonus for a player like Coles is a real good deal. Even with the toe questions, it's a good deal.

But like Matty said there are questions. The union might have a problem with this arrangement (though I wouldn't expect them to have a whole lot of ground to stand on). Secondly, Coles would need to find a team with some cap room to be able to take him on. With this Jets rumor, they're a little tight to the cap like we are. And keep in mind, all this stuff needs to get done by March 2 in order to clear up the salary cap picture and allow us to enter free agency with a clear idea of how much we can afford. Plus Samuels needs to restructure by then. The front office is going to be working lots of OT, I know that much.

The other thing that sucks, if he's only giving back $5 million, the cap hit is even bigger this year than it would be if we kept him on the team.

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[QUOTE=Redskins_P]Damn this sucks. I swear we're cursed man. Hate to sound like Boston Red Sox fan, but I feel like we're cursed. Dammit. :mad:[/QUOTE]

It all started with the renaming of Jack Kent Cooke Stadium.

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I say we dump the punk. I used to respect Coles cause he didn't complain about anything. Now he sounds like "Throw me the Damn Ball" Keyshawn Johnson and I don't want that crap. If 90 catches ain't enough tough crap, and he won't even get his dang toe fixed seriously? I think Gibbs will make it work with someone else so good riddance Coles, it's really to bad cause next year you would get the ball all the time, Ramsey loved throwing you the ball even sometimes when he prob shouldn't have. Sorry for my rant but I'm sick of I don't get the ball enough whining. Give us some $ back and pack up your stuff and go!

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It's not wanting the ball - it's wanting a real offense that gives him a chance to succeed. Obviously he doesn't feel Joe Gibbs can provide that for him.

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I would rather keep Coles, but if he isn't going to be 100%, then I'm not sure if that is going to do us any good. Also, if he is not happy being in Washington, then I think it shows another dimension of Gibbs' respect for his players by letting them go if they want to.

After all, how effective can a player really be if he doesn't want to be here? Okay, Bailey played pretty good for not wanting to be here, but he's the exception to the rule. How about Jeremiah Trotter? Look what he did for the Eagles this past year...... honestly, the more players we have here who WANT to be here, the better off we'll be!

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[QUOTE=Daseal]It's not wanting the ball - it's wanting a real offense that gives him a chance to succeed. Obviously he doesn't feel Joe Gibbs can provide that for him.[/QUOTE]

I can understand that, but it just seems odd he's not willing to give things a chance to see how things change this year.

Like someone said before, I think there's alot to this situation we don't know about.

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My guess is Gibbs told Coles his plans for next year and they didn't exactly excite him. We won't know till mid-way through the season next year.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]As reported in the [url="http://www.washtimes.com/sports/20050222-123834-8489r.htm"]Washington Times[/url] they mention an interesting but unlikely scenario of sending Coles back to NY in exchange for DE John Abraham.

The article also mentions the team is frustrated with Coles' attitude and unwillingness to have toe surgery.

We may also be interested in just cut Titan's CB Samari Rolle, but character issues could be a potential snag.

We also re-signed RB John Simon, we can all breathe a huge sigh of relief now![/QUOTE]

I'm surprised no one has started a "Dump CP, Start Simon" thread yet, LOL

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[QUOTE=Daseal]My guess is Gibbs told Coles his plans for next year and they didn't exactly excite him. We won't know till mid-way through the season next year.[/QUOTE]

From the sound of things Coles soured on things during the season, so I'm not sure a conversation after the season is what swayed him.

I'm wondering how much the toe situation is playing into this. Is the team using this as an excuse against him, or are they convinced he's damaged goods if he continues on without the surgery.

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[QUOTE=smootsmack]I'm surprised no one has started a "Dump CP, Start Simon" thread yet, LOL[/QUOTE]

Simon just isn't the playmaker that McCullough was. ;)

But if Simon has a good game in the preseason watch out!

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We had the Betts over Portis when amazingly Betts was able to run against that tough Minnesota run defense.

I think the toe has a big deal to do with it, but no one in the FO is a doctor, right, Matty?

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[QUOTE=Daseal]We had the Betts over Portis when amazingly Betts was able to run against that tough Minnesota run defense.

I think the toe has a big deal to do with it, but no one in the FO is a doctor, right, Matty?[/QUOTE]

Not in the front office, but they do have team doctors they seek advice from and base their opinions on ;)

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I think the toe coupled with an offense that Coles isn't looking forward to is adding to the decesion. It could be BS, but at this point I doubt it.

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I've been thinking about this the past day and the more I think about it, the more it pisses me off. You are paid an outrageous salary to go out and do your job. Who the hell does Coles think he is to be like, "I'm not happy. You're not using me the way I want to be used. You're not running my kind of plays." If EVERY player in the NFL shared the same mentality, not a single player would remain on the same team. Being a team player is playing with the hand you are dealt. It's only been ONE season under Gibbs and already he doesn't like where things are headed. Whatever. Goodbye.

In addition to this being bullshit to begin with, if he doesn't hand back the bonus money and try to work something out, I feel like it borderlines on felonious larceny. I mean if I don't like my job and want to quit and then say, "But I'll keep the rest of my salary for this year, thanks." I would be thrown in jail.

If there is even a HINT of truth to this, which I believe there is, even if Coles remains on the team, I want to see his ass benched and not play a down next year. Granted, he used to be one of my favorite Redskins players because of toughness and work ethic.

Well where is the toughness and work ethic now?

I guess it doesn't come into play off the field.

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Coles signed his contract planning on playing for one coach then was stuck with another coach who maybe he didn't like as much? If he's not happy why should he stay miserable in Washington? That doesn't help either party.

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[QUOTE=Daseal]Coles signed his contract planning on playing for one coach then was stuck with another coach who maybe he didn't like as much? If he's not happy why should he stay miserable in Washington? That doesn't help either party.[/QUOTE]


So playing for a college turn Pro coach that quit is better than playing for a proven HOF coach?

He might as well enroll in to University of South Carolina if he misses Spurrier so much.

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Redskins - as a receiver tell me which offense you want to play in?

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I like the proposed deal if it can get worked out between the Skins and the Jets. it'd quiet the people calling for a good passrushing DE and we wouldn't have lost coles and gotten nothing in return. Anyone know what number the Jets pick since our first round picks would probably have to be switched as well?

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If he doesn't want to play under a HOF coach like Gibbs that's certainly his choice.

I definitely question the logic of that choice, but it's his career.

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[QUOTE=Daseal]Redskins - as a receiver tell me which offense you want to play in?[/QUOTE]


Gibbs all the way. You know better than to ask me that Daseal ;) .

Tell me this Daseal, wouldn't you as a player give Gibbs the benefit of the doubt and at least give it one more season before you walk out on a phat contract?

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[QUOTE=Daseal]Redskins - as a receiver tell me which offense you want to play in?[/QUOTE]

For me the bottom line would be playing for a winning team.

Spurrier wasn't able to provide that and neither has Gibbs, yet. But what Gibbs has produced is a different attitude around Redskins Park.

If Coles is so concerned about stats I guess he should look elsewhere.

But if he checks the history books he'll see Gibbs worked with some quality WRs in Monk, Sanders and Clark, who all churned out some nice numbers.

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Exactly... I'm just so upset that he didn't want to give it just one more season.

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Okay Malcolm - you just got a new job at Tech or VMI (can't remember) they're paying you well, and everyone there is a fan of your work ethic! You work hard and do great things, then you get demoted to Janitor. They're still paying you great, why not wait another year to see if you like it before you give up, quit, and disappoint everyone.

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I don't think that's quite the same type of analogy. Still though, if I was getting paid the same and ended up working as janitor I'd be the best damn janitor I could be. I'm not a real good person to ask that type of question to because I feel as though when I'm getting paid the right kind of money, I should do whatever job I'm asked to the best of my ability.

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I also don't see it as being demoted to Janitor. I see it more as having your job description changed slightly. I mean that would be like saying Coles is changing from WR to Center. I mean he's being asked to run short routes and catch the ball, that's still being a WR. Does he not want to count on his legs to get him YAC anymore?

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[QUOTE=Daseal]Redskins - as a receiver tell me which offense you want to play in?[/QUOTE]


I can answer that: The one that wins a Super Bowl.

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If that's the case then the money shouldn't mean anything to Coles and he should just play for free. He should go ahead and hand back all the money that the Redskins have paid him in bonus money no questions asked.

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Malcolm - a relivant analogy was hard to come up with.

And Redskinrat: Do you feel we're on our way to the Super Bowl next year? I'd love to be wrong here, but I don't.

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Daseal, so are you behind Coles and his decision to leave??

Kinda hard to figure out why someone would be defending his decision to jump ship.

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Matty - I'd like him around, but I can understand. You can find many threads where I said get surgery or get out. He's made his decesion, and if he's willing to keep the salary cap from owning us. Why not let him go? Especially if we can get something for him.

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I say a package deal with Morton/ Coles for Abraham. Not that I don't like Morton, I just think we've found a cheap, adequate replacement for him in Antonio Brown. I have to think that Morton would want out now too, since he's not getting as much offensive playing time as he thought he was when he came here.

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This situation is getting real complicated, that's for sure. It seems like the Redskins are playing brinksmanship with Coles and his agent. Will Coles be willing to sign over the signing bonus as a part of a trade, or will he stay in Washington as kind of a pariah and be miserable, and probably get far fewer passes thrown his way as we develop other receivers for the future?

I think he will make the choice to move on and sign it over. Gibbs and the Redskins are giving him that choice, rather than getting nothing for him. As I think about it, that is the right move because we have invested so much in him. And if he is kept on the roster, he will just face the same problem next offseason.

The players' union will possibly question a move like that - its their job to do so. Signing bonuses are contingent upon playing out a contract in at least some cases, like we have learned with Ricky Williams' situation. Certainly the right move for them is to allow such a trade to take place. It doesn't seem that this would put players' contracts in general at any risk.