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I say if Chris Samuels doesn't agree to a restructured contract, you've got to cut him. Agree or disagree?

I know he's not obligated to restructure, but since NFL contracts aren't guaranteed the Redskins also are not obligated to keep him on the team. Cutting him would save 6.5 million in cap room or something crazy like that. 6.5 million should go to a consistent pro-bowl player in my opinion, not an up-and-down guy. I love Samuels, but at that price, I think you have to cut him loose and let Molinaro give it a go.

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I say give him more money.

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While I would hate to see Samuels go, if we need the cap space and he doesn't want to restructure......I say peace out, sayonara, hasta luego, vaya con Dios, ciao.

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Disagree strongly. Other than QB, LT may be the hardest position on a football team to fill. Chris Samuels is a very good LT. Gibbs teams were always built around O-line play. So I don't see how opening up a gaping hole at the most important position on the OL can be a smart decision. I can't even think of a worse move for the skins to make.

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[QUOTE=celts32]Disagree strongly. Other than QB, LT may be the hardest position on a football team to fill. Chris Samuels is a very good LT. Gibbs teams were always built around O-line play. So I don't see how opening up a gaping hole at the most important position on the OL can be a smart decision. I can't even think of a worse move for the skins to make.[/QUOTE]


They've already made worse moves celts. Does the name Brunell ring a bell?

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While I don't want to see him go, I just can't see the team bringing him back with his pricey cap figure this year, if he doesn't restructure I think the team will have no choice but to cut him.

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Thanks Matty, I agree. Guys, we have to think about the teams future. 2006 seems to be our "Tennessee Titans" year. And Samuels cap number is huge. Probably the 3rd biggest behind Lavar, and Portis. So, if he doesn't want to restructure then let him go. Think about the future. The Skins have been living by win now, and pay later and it seems like we're hitting the "pay later" part. Except that we haven't won $hit. So obviously that formula ain't working.

Don't get me wrong, I like Samuels. I hope he can retire as a Skin (yeah right!). But sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do.


Also, let me remind some of you. They are some good tackles coming out this year, so you never know.

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[QUOTE=Redskins_P]They've already made worse moves celts. Does the name Brunell ring a bell?[/QUOTE]

That Brunell deal is water under the bridge, I was thinking more in terms of bad moves they could make in the present. I know the cap number is huge, but I look at him as one of the few indespensible players on the roster. They simply can't live without him. And if they cut him and try and find a quality LT in the open market, how much cap space do you suppose that will cost? His cap number is huge but LT is also a pricey position and anyone who is ready to just cut him had better have a replacement in mind that will cost less and perform almost as well. An offense simply can not function without quality play from it's LT. Like him or not, he was the most consistent player on the O-Line last year. I am simply not cutting him. I could name a laundry list of players that I would let go before Samuels.

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I'm with Matty - I want to retain Samuels, but with that price there's no way we can afford him!

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[QUOTE=celts32]That Brunell deal is water under the bridge, I was thinking more in terms of bad moves they could make in the present. I know the cap number is huge, but I look at him as one of the few indespensible players on the roster. They simply can't live without him. And if they cut him and try and find a quality LT in the open market, how much cap space do you suppose that will cost? His cap number is huge but LT is also a pricey position and anyone who is ready to just cut him had better have a replacement in mind that will cost less and perform almost as well. An offense simply can not function without quality play from it's LT. Like him or not, he was the most consistent player on the O-Line last year. I am simply not cutting him. I could name a laundry list of players that I would let go before Samuels.[/QUOTE]

I hear ya Celts. But unfortunately, sometimes teams get rid of good players because they have no choice. Its all about the cap now. Like I said I like Samuels, I want him back. But like Daseal and Matty pointed out.....at that price it will be very hard to absorb his cap hit.

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Celts, I agree that the LT position is absolutely vital to an offense's success. And I agree that Samuels is a hell of a player and I'd hate to see him go. But I disagree when you say that the Skins simply can't live without him. First off, Jim Molinaro and Mark Wilson were drafted for a reason, even if they were drafted in the later rounds. I remember a few Hogs coming from the later rounds of drafts as well.

Last season, Randy Thomas sat out a game with a leg injury, and Ray Brown moved to Guard and Mark Wilson took over at RT. Wilson played very well in that game; and reports from Redskin park indicate that Molinaro is actually further along than Wilson in the developmental process. I'm not saying Molinaro can replace Chris Samuels, but I'm saying you may have to give him a shot, because he just might come through.

It comes down to this: would you rather have Samuels with his $9 million cap hit, or would you rather go with Molinaro at LT, and have the cap room to resign Pierce and also likely have the cap room to find a replacement for Coles (like Derrick Mason).

We see the Patriots and Eagles having success by drafting guys and letting them step in when vets get too pricey. That is how you win in today's salary cap era. You've got to get rid of guys who are too expensive, and you've got to draft well and go with the young guys.

The only choice in my eyes is restructure Samuels, or he's out the door.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10]Celts, I agree that the LT position is absolutely vital to an offense's success. And I agree that Samuels is a hell of a player and I'd hate to see him go. But I disagree when you say that the Skins simply can't live without him. First off, Jim Molinaro and Mark Wilson were drafted for a reason, even if they were drafted in the later rounds. I remember a few Hogs coming from the later rounds of drafts as well.

Last season, Randy Thomas sat out a game with a leg injury, and Ray Brown moved to Guard and Mark Wilson took over at RT. Wilson played very well in that game; and reports from Redskin park indicate that Molinaro is actually further along than Wilson in the developmental process. I'm not saying Molinaro can replace Chris Samuels, but I'm saying you may have to give him a shot, because he just might come through.

It comes down to this: would you rather have Samuels with his $9 million cap hit, or would you rather go with Molinaro at LT, and have the cap room to resign Pierce and also likely have the cap room to find a replacement for Coles (like Derrick Mason).

We see the Patriots and Eagles having success by drafting guys and letting them step in when vets get too pricey. That is how you win in today's salary cap era. You've got to get rid of guys who are too expensive, and you've got to draft well and go with the young guys.

The only choice in my eyes is restructure Samuels, or he's out the door.[/QUOTE]


You hit it right on the nose. I can't agree more. Restructure or he's gone. We have to move back in the direction of how the old Skins were, with no superstars (look at the Patriots). Dont get me wrong, I like Samuels alot, but he has got to understand the position of the team. It might be scary to make some of these moves, but it has to be done. You never know, this might be just what we need. Young guys who love the game, and will do anything for the team. With Gibbs at the healm, I am confident that he will make the right choices as far as choosing the right replacements.

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Samuels is going to be eating over $9M in cap space this season unless he restructures. I don't care how great a player is, you can't have one guy taking up that much space.

If he doesn't restructure you have to release him and figure out a plan B. Hopefully Wilson or Molinaro will be ready, or you take a look at the available free agents, or you shuffle the line and perhaps move Jansen to LT.

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[QUOTE=celts32]Disagree strongly. Other than QB, LT may be the hardest position on a football team to fill...[/QUOTE]

Wow. Are you his agent? :oink:

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one guy taking up 10% of the teams cap space.... not good.... be GONE

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The left tackle is, aside from the quarterback, perhaps the most important player on any team. Samuels is a damn good left tackle (he allowed just one sack last season) and his sub-par 2003 season is mitigated by the fact that he had serious knee and ankle problems throughout the season. The guy isn't a top 5 tackle, but he can be dominant.

I do not believe that we can bank on Molinaro or Wilson filling in for Samuels. Yes, the Redskins have a keen eye for scouting offensive line talent, but that doesn't mean we should be ready to proclaim Molinaro or Wilson the next Joe Jacoby and Russ Grimm. Mark Wilson was inactive for 14 games last year and Jim Molinaro didn't start (or get significant playing time in) a single game last season. Is anyone really ready to say one of these guys can start 16 games in lieu of Samuels?

While I don't want to see the Redskins overpay to keep Samuels, face it, left tackles don't come cheap. The Colts' lef tackle Ryan Diem just got a $12,000,000 signing bonus and a deal worth somewhere around $40,000,000. Samuels will argue that he should get a sweeter deal than Diem did and I would agree.

Given that cutting Samuels will cost us about $2,500,000 and we lack solid depth at tackle, I think we should wary of letting the guy go. Free agents of Samuels' caliber don't come around often and given Gibbs' system, we need the best offensive linemen we can afford.

So let's no break the bank, but let's also remember that Samuels IS an important player at a crucial position.

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I say cut him and let Ray Brown play left tackle!! :):):) Seriously though, with the Coles situation we have now....i say we cut Samuels and get what we can for coles.

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[QUOTE=Ramseyfan] Given that cutting Samuels will cost us about $2,500,000 and we lack solid depth at tackle, I think we should wary of letting the guy go. Free agents of Samuels' caliber don't come around often and given Gibbs' system, we need the best offensive linemen we can afford.[/QUOTE]

According to my numbers, cutting Samuels would save around $4 million against this season's cap. You could surely fit Antonio Pierce into $4 million, and you would have some room to spare for use on a WR like Mason. If you were only saving $2.5 million by cutting him like you're suggesting, I'd agree with you, but I think it saves a bit more.

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I don't think nearly as highly of Chris Samuels as others here do. He is a good LT but not outstanding. And in no way is he worth a cap number of $&M or more.


HOW-EVAH (as Stephen A. Smith would say), before you cut him you damned well be 100% sure that you have a COMPETENT replacement for him for the following reason:

Next year Patrick Ramsey will be the full time QB. Patrick Ramsey is right handed and so the LT guards his blind side AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, Patrick Ramsey is like a cigar store Indian back there. If the LT is getting beaten five times a game, Ramsey is not likely to make it to Thanksgiving.


So, the FO has itself an interesting sonundrum to solve here. But the key to all this is to have that replacement LT in hand before Chris Samuels is tossed overboard.

Oh, I forgot, the stud that the Skins signed who was going to be able to play every OL position and challenge for a starting job just got cut. The Vaughn Parker Era is over.

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Samuels is more important to the Redskins long term success than Pierce. Pierce did a very nice job, but the biggest reason the Redskins defense was good is Greg Williams not any particular player. I am not ready to hope a 2nd year late round draft pick can start at LT which is the second most important position on the team. Samuels contract sucks, but he is a player I can not see the Redskins winning without next season. I would not release him under any circumstances. I would release Lavar Arrington before Samuels and Lavar is my favorite current player on the team.

I thought we were trying to rebuild and develop Ramsey here, yet we are talking about throwing an unproven player out there to protect his blind side? Come on now. The Redskins cap is not in great shape by any means, but Samuels is way to important to release.

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I don't think anybody is questioning what Samuels brings to the table as a player, he's a top 10 player at his position, closer to top 5 when healthy and motivated.

BUT, and this is what it all boils down to, is he worth a $9M charge against the cap this season?

If anybody can justify that please feel free.

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I think I have more faith in Molinaro than does the average bear.

We talk about having a good replacement in hand before tossing aside a guy like Samuels, but that kind of thinking subscribes to the very thinking that has plagued the Redskins ever since Dan Snyder took over. Dan Snyder wants the known commodity, he wants to make a splash and make sure he's got a good name at every position; because in Snyder-World, names win games.

If we're going to get past the acquisitive habits we've developed since Snyder took over, we have to be willing to develop players in-house. Truth is, we don't know what Molinaro is, because he's not a name. Only Gibbs & Bugel know if the dude has any promise.

So it comes down to that. How good is Molinaro? And nobody here can say he's no good, because they haven't seen enough of him. If you're writing him off without ever giving him a chance, then you're not getting any closer to doing things the way the Pats & Eagles do things.

All that said, I have no idea if Molinaro is any good. It will be up to Gibbs to decide if he's good enough. But I guess I'm just saying I have faith in Gibbs to develop players in-house a lot better than Norv, Marty, or Spurrier.

And as an aside, I think Pierce was the MVP of the defense this past season, with Griffin and Washington tied in a very close 2nd. But that's an argument for another thread.

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The Redskins are not currently over the cap. The only reason they would cut him this year would be so that they have more money to sign other free agents. I don't see any free agents available including our own free agents that mean more to the Redskins success in 2005 than Chris Samuels does.

I know we all agree that Samuels is a real good player. I think we don't agree on just how important he is to the Redskins 2005 success. If Ramsey gets constant pressure from his blind side he simply will not develop as a QB, plain and simple. I am not willing to play lets hope games with the LT & QB positions. If the Redskins need cap room and can't get the restructuring done then they need to find it elsewhere not by cutting Samuels.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10]And as an aside, I think Pierce was the MVP of the defense this past season, with Griffin and Washington tied in a very close 2nd. But that's an argument for another thread.[/QUOTE]

Like this one:

[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/showthread.php?t=4547&highlight=defensive[/url]

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We're not over the cap but we're not far under it right now either, and we have a list of guys we need to get signed. A couple million in cap room isn't going to cut it for the entire offseason.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Samuels is going to be eating over $9M in cap space this season unless he restructures. I don't care how great a player is, you can't have one guy taking up that much space.

If he doesn't restructure you have to release him and figure out a plan B. Hopefully Wilson or Molinaro will be ready, or you take a look at the available free agents, or you shuffle the line and perhaps move Jansen to LT.[/QUOTE]


That does it for me $9M I would cut him in a heart beat, if we look at Samuels objectivly and forget about where he was drafted it's a no brainer, if Samuels was a low draft pick nobody would be talking about him as a top tackle, but because he was drafted so high we all look at him as fullfilling that draft position, well he hasen't! We saw 2 season's ago a nobody named Brandon Whiney come in and do a better job than Samuel's, I say we have to put Wilson and Molinaro to work this season, they will have their problem's at times but so does Samuel's, Samuel's is not a fighter he's not aggresive he's the big daddy of offensive linemen, it sound's like these kid's are fighter's that's what we need up front.

We can take his $9M work out a deal with Cole's trade him off and still get what we need, I have no desire whatsover to bring Samuel's back for anything close to what he's been making

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[QUOTE=offiss]That does it for me $9M I would cut him in a heart beat, if we look at Samuels objectivly and forget about where he was drafted it's a no brainer, if Samuels was a low draft pick nobody would be talking about him as a top tackle, but because he was drafted so high we all look at him as fullfilling that draft position, well he hasen't! We saw 2 season's ago a nobody named Brandon Whiney come in and do a better job than Samuel's, I say we have to put Wilson and Molinaro to work this season, they will have their problem's at times but so does Samuel's, Samuel's is not a fighter he's not aggresive he's the big daddy of offensive linemen, it sound's like these kid's are fighter's that's what we need up front.

We can take his $9M work out a deal with Cole's trade him off and still get what we need, I have no desire whatsover to bring Samuel's back for anything close to what he's been making[/QUOTE]

Samuels gave up like 1 sack all year. He's one of the best in the game. His name was rarely called during a ame which means he was doing his job. And check the salary charts because LT's get some of the biggest contracts in football after QB's.

Many people on this board would cut him for cap reasons which is one thing, but you are the first to actually question his ability as a player.

The Redskins need to buckle down and get this restructuring done. I am sure they are lowballing him and trying to get the hometown discount that they always expect from thier own players. Samuels is no dummy, he sees what other top LT's are getting and he is not going to do a deal unless it's fair to him. Samuels has no reason not to do a deal if they are offering him the right amount of money. He has already said he is open to a restructuring so obviously the Skins are just not getting it done.

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I would caution against saying that Samuels should be cut. We spend money on some really mediocre talent. I dont see Samuels as being mediocre, and he [b]is[/b] an anchor on our line.

Look at this way. Imagine that we didnt have him, that we had Jim Molinaro starting last season. And that Samuels name comes up on the free agent wire this offseason. You tell me how much Dan Snyder would pay to get him, I guarantee you its [b]atleast[/b] what we are paying him now, before we re-structure.

Simply put, Chris Samuels will be our starting left tackle next year. Thats an easy bet.

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I definitely wouldn't pay him what Walter Jones from Seattle got, 7 years 50 million. No way. I'd pay him about what Jansen got, plus a bit for inflation. Like 6 years $30 million.

You definitely overrate him, Celts. He's not one of the best in the game. He hasn't made a Pro Bowl in a few years now. Here's how I'd rate the LTs around the league:
1) Jonathan Ogden
2) Walter Jones
3) Orlando Pace
4) Willie Roaf
5) Tra Thomas
6) Tarik Glenn
7) Flozell Adams
8) Chris Samuels

Flozell Adams got 5 years, $25 million, with a $10 million signing bonus last year. I'd pay Samuels something comparable to that. Don't overrate him, or you'd just end up overpaying him.

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[QUOTE=celts32]Samuels gave up like 1 sack all year. He's one of the best in the game. His name was rarely called during a ame which means he was doing his job. And check the salary charts because LT's get some of the biggest contracts in football after QB's.

Many people on this board would cut him for cap reasons which is one thing, but you are the first to actually question his ability as a player.

The Redskins need to buckle down and get this restructuring done. I am sure they are lowballing him and trying to get the hometown discount that they always expect from thier own players. Samuels is no dummy, he sees what other top LT's are getting and he is not going to do a deal unless it's fair to him. Samuels has no reason not to do a deal if they are offering him the right amount of money. He has already said he is open to a restructuring so obviously the Skins are just not getting it done.[/QUOTE]

Wrong, every person who say's he's not worth the money is questioning his ability. We threw wr screen's all year how do give up a sack with that? Then you have his run blocking I hope you noticed all year when we needed tough yard's we didn't run in his direction alway's the right side, not that we succeeded but that's where we tried to run.

I have no doubt Samuels will be easily replaced, that's our biggest problem as a team to many overvalued player's with fat paycheck's.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10]I definitely wouldn't pay him what Walter Jones from Seattle got, 7 years 50 million. No way. I'd pay him about what Jansen got, plus a bit for inflation. Like 6 years $30 million.

You definitely overrate him, Celts. He's not one of the best in the game. He hasn't made a Pro Bowl in a few years now. Here's how I'd rate the LTs around the league:
1) Jonathan Ogden
2) Walter Jones
3) Orlando Pace
4) Willie Roaf
5) Tra Thomas
6) Tarik Glenn
7) Flozell Adams
8) Chris Samuels

Flozell Adams got 5 years, $25 million, with a $10 million signing bonus last year. I'd pay Samuels something comparable to that. Don't overrate him, or you'd just end up overpaying him.[/QUOTE]

I would probably put him maybe 6th or 7th on that list, but you still have him 8th in a 32 team league. That's not to shabby. I would say your top 4 are clearly better and he is in the mix with the other 4 somewhere. Also I think Spurriers pass blocking schemes hurt his production for a couple years. The OL as a whole was completely confused as to what to do with Spurrier as coach. However, I never said he was the best LT in the game I just said he was one of the best your rankings agree with my assessment.

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[QUOTE=celts32]I would probably put him maybe 6th or 7th on that list, but you still have him 8th in a 32 team league.[/QUOTE]

OK fine, make him 6th or 7th on the list. Pay him $36 million over 6 years, which comes out to $6 million a year. But if you're saying he's worth keeping on the roster at the $9 million cap hit he's got this year, then you're overrating him.

Gotta restructure, or cut.

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[QUOTE=offiss]Wrong, every person who say's he's not worth the money is questioning his ability. We threw wr screen's all year how do give up a sack with that? Then you have his run blocking I hope you noticed all year when we needed tough yard's we didn't run in his direction alway's the right side, not that we succeeded but that's where we tried to run.

I have no doubt Samuels will be easily replaced, that's our biggest problem as a team to many overvalued player's with fat paycheck's.[/QUOTE]

Saying that you can't afford to carry a 9 million dollar cap figure and saying a player is not good or worth the money are completely different things. You could probably change the scenario and give any other player on the team the same 9 million dollar cap figure and they would be making the same point about releasing him. I didn't take any other post on this chain to mean that samuels was not a real good player. Everyone else who posted on this chain can correct me if I am wrong.

As to why the Redskins chose to run in certain directions I have no idea. I didn't notice any pattern of success running away from Samuels. I do know if the Redskins thought Samuels was an over rated or underperforming player they simply would have cut him already and not even tried to restructure. He has the worst cap contract on the team, the easy thing is to cut him and move on. Obviuosly they must think he's pretty good also.

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I never said we should keep him at $9 million. I think that we need to re-sign him since:

1. Left tackles don't grow on trees
2. Offensive linemen, already key players, are even more important in Gibbs' offense.
3. Samuels is at least a top 10 tackle.
4. We don't have an adequate backup for Samuels.
5. Samuels will be key in protecting Ramsey
6. There are no "great" offensive linemen in the draft that I'd trust to anchor the left side of the line.
7. There are no good tackles on the free agent market.

Re-signing him to a deal comparable to Ryan Diem's would be fair, what the market dictates, probably acceptable to Samuels, and would alleviate a ton of our cap problems while retaining a key player.

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Teams generally run right as that is the strong side.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10]OK fine, make him 6th or 7th on the list. Pay him $36 million over 6 years, which comes out to $6 million a year. But if you're saying he's worth keeping on the roster at the $9 million cap hit he's got this year, then you're overrating him.

Gotta restructure, or cut.[/QUOTE]

I never said the contract was good for our cap. I said that he is to important to the team to cut so we need to bite the bullet and keep him.

I believe his cap figure is 9 million becasue of past restructurings that have made the contract appear worse than it was when it was signed. My point is that from a football standpoint we need this guy on the team. I am not excited about the prospect of going into next season hoping one of last years late round draft picks can play LT.

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[QUOTE=Ramseyfan]I never said we should keep him at $9 million. I think that we need to re-sign him since:

1. Left tackles don't grow on trees
2. Offensive linemen, already key players, are even more important in Gibbs' offense.
3. Samuels is at least a top 10 tackle.
4. We don't have an adequate backup for Samuels.
5. Samuels will be key in protecting Ramsey
6. There are no "great" offensive linemen in the draft that I'd trust to anchor the left side of the line.
7. There are no good tackles on the free agent market.

Re-signing him to a deal comparable to Ryan Diem's would be fair, what the market dictates, probably acceptable to Samuels, and would alleviate a ton of our cap problems while retaining a key player.[/QUOTE]

Some sanity at last. It's crazy to think that we can just plug anyone in at LT. This is not a fantasy football GM looking for a bye week replacement, it's the NFL where LT's are at a premium. If you have a good one you do everything in your power to keep him. Why is it that a top LT never hits the open market? Whenever they are unsigned they get franchised. Whenever a good one is in the draft they go top 5. They are simply to hard to replace and you can not win games without a good one. it's not a position that you can just try and get by with.

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[QUOTE=celts32]Saying that you can't afford to carry a 9 million dollar cap figure and saying a player is not good or worth the money are completely different things. You could probably change the scenario and give any other player on the team the same 9 million dollar cap figure and they would be making the same point about releasing him. I didn't take any other post on this chain to mean that samuels was not a real good player. Everyone else who posted on this chain can correct me if I am wrong.

As to why the Redskins chose to run in certain directions I have no idea. I didn't notice any pattern of success running away from Samuels. I do know if the Redskins thought Samuels was an over rated or underperforming player they simply would have cut him already and not even tried to restructure. He has the worst cap contract on the team, the easy thing is to cut him and move on. Obviuosly they must think he's pretty good also.[/QUOTE]


They obviously think Brunell is a pretty good player as well????????

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[QUOTE=offiss]They obviously think Brunell is a pretty good player as well????????[/QUOTE]

You must be drinking from the lake out there in Hopatcong! Just kidding. Brunell is still around because Gibbs is not ready to throw in the towel yet on his boy. Also maybe they are not prepared yet to take the cap hit on that contract yet. I know the point your trying to make but Samuels and Brunell are completely different stories.

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The problem is WE ARE NOT GETTING BY WITH SAMUEL'S! He is nothing special, end of story, Brandon Whiney who couldn't make our team the following year outplayed Samuels 2 season's ago so apparently these elite tackles don't grow on tree's because we don't have one. Samuel's production can be easily filled by either one of our youngsters from last draft that's how much I value Samuel's, I don't care if he want's to play for minimum wage I believe Samuel's and his lackadasical attitude is what is wrong with this team he's a player who get's by rather than look's to excel, I don't want him on this team, I will take a fighter with more heart and less physical talent anyday!