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It's been 4 years, how would you grade Jay in that time frame?

23-28-1 record.

I am sold on the guy and hope he is here for a LONG time, he's a damn good coach that is only going to get better.

He has turned this team into a competitor every season.

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I think he will be a winning coach but never a SB winning coach. Still I would roll with him for another 4 years regardless of the KC resolution

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It's been 4 years, how would you grade Jay in that time frame?

23-28-1 record.

I am sold on the guy and hope he is here for a LONG time, he's a damn good coach that is only going to get better.

He has turned this team into a competitor every season.[/QUOTE]Personally I agree with everything you said!

While I admit that he isn't as good a coach as his brother Jon, Jay has done a wonderful job with the players he has been given.

And I agree too that he is he has turned the Redskins into a fairly consistent winner or at least a contender.

Even the 'haters' have to say that Jay has at least made the Redskins consistently Revlant.

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[QUOTE=kct1975;1176108]Personally I agree with everything you said!

While I admit that he isn't as good a coach as his brother Jon, Jay has done a wonderful job with the players he has been given.

And I agree too that he is he has turned the Redskins into a fairly consistent winner or at least a contender.

Even the 'haters' have to say that Jay has at least made the Redskins consistently Revlant.

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Im not sure that it's a definite thing that Jon is better. He had some ups and downs in his career, and his only Super Bowl was in his first year with Tampa in which you can't really credit him with building that team (even Jon credited Dungy after the Super Bowl), and they came back to earth next year after losing a lot of their stars. After that, he never made it past Wild Card.

Certainly after 4 years he had a better record with the Raiders than Jay will after this year, but if it is a good season it won't be by much, and when you consider what he inherited (dysfunction and RG3), can you really count the 4-12 record from his first season?

All I'm saying is the jury is still out on that...

I'm very pro-Jay. My fandom began in the Norv Turner years, and the only thing close to the same level of professionalism, team building, and coaching acumen that we've had here was Gibbs 2.0. Even when he first came back it was known that it was a stopgap. Now we have a coach that could be here for 10+ years. The way this season is starting out, they may be the best they've been since Gibbs 1.0. This is a very exciting time for this franchise.



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[QUOTE=WillH;1176112]Im not sure that it's a definite thing that Jon is better. He had some ups and downs in his career, and his only Super Bowl was in his first year with Tampa in which you can't really credit him with building that team (even Jon credited Dungy after the Super Bowl), and they came back to earth next year after losing a lot of their stars. After that, he never made it past Wild Card.

Certainly after 4 years he had a better record with the Raiders than Jay will after this year, but if it is a good season it won't be by much, and when you consider what he inherited (dysfunction and RG3), can you really count the 4-12 record from his first season?

All I'm saying is the jury is still out on that...

I'm very pro-Jay. My fandom began in the Norv Turner years, and the only thing close to the same level of professionalism, team building, and coaching acumen that we've had here was Gibbs 2.0. Even when he first came back it was known that it was a stopgap. Now we have a coach that could be here for 10+ years. The way this season is starting out, they may be the best they've been since Gibbs 1.0. This is a very exciting time for this franchise.



Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk[/QUOTE]Very Good Assessment!

Personally, however, I am one of the 'Veterans' that remember the Glory of the Gibbs 1.0 years. So anything after that is a tall order.

As for the comparison between Jon and Jay, my only minor complaint with Jay is that is does seem, at times, to try to be too much of a Players Coach.

Just my personal opinion...Jay needs to be a bit tougher on the players.

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PRO JAY!!!!! We could do a lot worse!

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[QUOTE=rocnrik;1176114]PRO JAY!!!!! We could do a lot worse![/QUOTE]From the guy who called 0-4?

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[QUOTE=rocnrik;1176114]PRO JAY!!!!! We could do a lot worse![/QUOTE]Agreed! [emoji106]

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[QUOTE=kct1975;1176113]Very Good Assessment!

Personally, however, I am one of the 'Veterans' that remember the Glory of the Gibbs 1.0 years. So anything after that is a tall order.

As for the comparison between Jon and Jay, my only minor complaint with Jay is that is does seem, at times, to try to be too much of a Players Coach.

Just my personal opinion...Jay needs to be a bit tougher on the players.

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Yeah, I hear that a lot. That he's too soft on players, but I don't see it...

I will say he has a laid back demeanor. He's not "Chucky," but what Redskins coach has been more critical of their players?

He called out RG3

Matt Jones . . . You fumble and don't improve year over year, you are cut in favor of Mack Brown.

Doctson. You don't practice you don't play.

Sua - figure your shit out . . . Next man up.

He blew up a D line that had some talent but wasn't performing. . . How's that working out?

Compton is a coach favorite, but with two more talented players he's become backup, and even Spaight is getting playing time over him.

Anyways, I respect your perspective and like I said, he doesn't have that fire on the sidelines, but do you have any examples of him being easy on his players?



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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1176107][B]I think he will be a winning coach but never a SB winning coach[/B]. Still I would roll with him for another 4 years regardless of the KC resolution[/quote]

I agree with this. I could see this being a real possibility, however I'd love to be proven wrong on that.

Still he's an upgrade in an area where we've tried many solutions and all have failed. So I'm thankful for that. After the start we've had this year I'm happy to give him credit for progress made. I also think this year gives us yet another example of preseason results meaning very little when it counts.

I also see the improvements we've made on the field and the weight he's dropped in the offseason as signs that he wants to be taken seriously. I'm trying to tread a fine line here because I'm not saying he needs to be in shape for players or coaches to take him seriously, but the weight he's dropped tells me that he's trying to practice what he preaches, which is never a bad thing. How can you emphasize how important being in game shape is when you are also out-of-shape?

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[quote=WillH;1176117]Yeah, I hear that a lot. That he's too soft on players, but I don't see it...

I will say he has a laid back demeanor. He's not "Chucky," but what Redskins coach has been more critical of their players?

He called out RG3

Matt Jones . . . You fumble and don't improve year over year, you are cut in favor of Mack Brown.

Doctson. You don't practice you don't play.

Sua - figure your shit out . . . Next man up.

He blew up a D line that had some talent but wasn't performing. . . How's that working out?

Compton is a coach favorite, but with two more talented players he's become backup, and even Spaight is getting playing time over him.

Anyways, I respect your perspective and like I said, he doesn't have that fire on the sidelines, but do you have any examples of him being easy on his players?



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Good assessment. He sees the team as a meritocracy in the best sense of the word. He's not a sentimental guy; he wants results. And he also values leadership and hard work (hence, his tendency to be pretty patient with folks who seem to be working hard and have ability -- e.g., Ryan Grant).

Personally, I like the fact that he seems like a straight shooter and that he tends to be pretty succinct with his responses (but not monosyllabic or disdainful in an evasive Bellichick-speak kind of way). I also like the fact that he seems to have a sense of humor and isn't afraid to show it here and there.

Moreover, his hires of Tomsula, Callahan, Gray, and Manusky seem very solid and so he seems to have a knack for surrounding himself with some good people. (I am still smiling over the images of Tomsula stalking the sidelines during the Raiders game.)

I'm cool with Jay Gruden as coach. He seems like a genuinely good guy and I think the players play hard for him and each other.

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Good coach good be great, if we lose him we are screwed because not many folks coming to DC. Thanks Jay for hanging in there!

I have said it before but this Redskin's up tick is more on Jay then McC.

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There’s a lot more to like about Jay as a HC than not. Hope we’re smart and keep him around for a lot longer.

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Jay is doing just fine. Really like the more physical offense he installed.

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[quote=WillH;1176117]Yeah, I hear that a lot. That he's too soft on players, but I don't see it...

I will say he has a laid back demeanor. He's not "Chucky," but what Redskins coach has been more critical of their players?

He called out RG3

Matt Jones . . . You fumble and don't improve year over year, you are cut in favor of Mack Brown.

Doctson. You don't practice you don't play.

Sua - figure your shit out . . . Next man up.

He blew up a D line that had some talent but wasn't performing. . . How's that working out?

Compton is a coach favorite, but with two more talented players he's become backup, and even Spaight is getting playing time over him.

Anyways, I respect your perspective and like I said, he doesn't have that fire on the sidelines, but do you have any examples of him being easy on his players?



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This.

One more point. He has shown he has a set to ownership and the FO .... without breaking rapport. Only Joe Gibbs managed that. Jay has no "Me Ego" Jay is all "Team Ego".

Keep Jay.

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im pro jay. with that being said, i saw almost next to zero adjustments made after half time, on monday night. and some very bad clock management at the end of the game. it should have, at the very least, gone to OT.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1176115]From the guy who called 0-4?[/quote]

Yep I called it..tired of having expectations only to crash and burn! We looked like crap in pre season..looked not good against Philly,Won in a shoot out vs rams,Beat a over rated Raiders and lost on road vs Chiefs..so I still don't say we are great only vastly improved. the effort is there. WE could have lost the rams game..we could have won the chiefs game. We will see.

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[quote=rocnrik;1176129]Yep I called it..tired of having expectations only to crash and burn! We looked like crap in pre season..looked not good against Philly,Won in a shoot out vs rams,Beat a over rated Raiders and lost on road vs Chiefs..so I still don't say we are great only vastly improved. the effort is there. WE could have lost the rams game..we could have won the chiefs game. We will see.[/quote]

My comment was more so how do you call us to go 0-4, after 3 years of Jay's head coaching, and then say you are Pro Jay Gruden?

Now I get that we exceeded your expectations so far, but it seems like based on your expectations for the season you should be solidly for a different HC.

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I don't even feel as if he is head coach material. Perhaps a good coordinator or assistant, but he sucks as a head coach. He should have never been hired and is only here because no one serious would consider the skins coaching job and Bruce Allen wanted to hook up his buddy.

He has some positves, but the negatives far outweigh them. He fails in the fundementals of calling a football game, and his game and clock management has always been poor. He continues to make the same fundamental mistakes 4years in. Many of the skins losses can be attributed not to penalties, drops, injuries or turnovers, but to his mistakes or simple mismanagement of the game clock. He's quick to throw his players under the bus in press conferences, yet rarely takes blame for his obvious blunders.

I actually think he is holding the team back and they are underachieving (So many points left on the field against the Raiders). The team looks better this year because the talent is better on defense, and the teams coordinators have improved, however Gruden will continue to be the downfall.

His playcalling is atrocious in the redzone, and he overthinks things. (Chiefs game inside their 5 yard line he runs on 2 downs and then has Cousins QB keep on 3rd down. How about throwing a fade to one your 6'4" WR's?)

He's kept Doctson in the doghouse, then finally gets him in the games but only has him targeted once or twice. Then he expects the rookie to catch the game winning td? Regardless if he caught it or not, the Chiefs would have had an oppurtunity to win the game with 2 timeouts due to Gruden leaving close to 50 seconds on the clock by calling an unnecessary timeout with 28 seconds left on the play clock. [URL="https://www.thescore.com/news/1389597"]https://www.thescore.com/news/1389597[/URL]

Mack Brown shows the best vision, burst and speed out of all the rbs, yet he doesn't even activate him.

The 2 most explosive offensive players on the Redskins (Thompson and Crowder) are only targeted once each all game against the Chiefs.

The team likely would be 3-1 or 4-0 with just an average head coach.

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Don’t feed the troll folks

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Coming into the season I had concerns about whether he knew how to hire the right assistants, simply because the Joe Barry, Perry Fewell disasters were just terrible. So far I have absolutely no complaints about Greg Manusky. Jim Tomsula and Torrian Gray are making a positive impact too.

I think the team is playing hard, he schemes it well, he game plans well, and the team largely seems prepared going into each game. He's no Joe Gibbs when it comes to mastering half time adjustments, but he's not a disaster either.

I'd definitely keep him. The roster is deeper now than I can ever remember it being. I think what separates us from Super Bowl contenders at this point is star power. Those teams have a couple players who make unbelievable impact. We have a bunch of solid players with a lot of depth behind them.

Our #1 CB and our LT are star level. We could use a couple more. But Jay's good.

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Pro Jay. Even more pro Jay if the 'skins make the playoffs this year. He will be here for at least 6 years.

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Maybe Jonathan Allen becomes one of those stars.

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[quote=MTK;1176134]Don’t feed the troll folks[/quote]

I was looking for the sarcasm tag at first. Legit thought it was a gag.

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He posts once a year and it’s always pure garbage. Checked his IP and sure enough he’s been banned before. It’s always so obvious with these fools.

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Jay knows what he is doing. Stood up to management to get Cousins over RG3. Seems to work well with assistants.

Better than Allen/Snyder deserve imo. We are lucky .... wait, do I have to give Allen credit for bringing Jay in?

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[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1176107]I think he will be a winning coach but never a SB winning coach. Still I would roll with him for another 4 years regardless of the KC resolution[/QUOTE]



There have been several coaches who fell into the "winning coach" category who have won superbowls. Has way too much to do with the hand u r dealt to label a coach a "super bowl winning " coach imo. Most coaches in the hall
Of fame have a handful of players there with them. Do I think Jay is a hof'er - not even close. Lol. Do i think he can win a superbowl. Of course. We need a RB and a few more pieces before I think we are there. That being said, from what I have seen over the last couple weeks in this league it's anybody's for the taking right now. Who is going to stay healthy enough and motivated enough ? Who is gonna get some lucky bounces, tips, and calls along the way? We will find out.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1176130]My comment was more so how do you call us to go 0-4, after 3 years of Jay's head coaching, and then say you are Pro Jay Gruden?

Now I get that we exceeded your expectations so far, but it seems like based on your expectations for the season you should be solidly for a different HC.[/quote]

My only fear is A complete overhaul..which would mean Cousins leaves,Gruden gone..we start all over and with Snyder in charge we could do a lot worse than Gruden..Cousins is somewhat tied to Jay. and with Goff playing good the rams won't go after cousins..maybe 49ers? so for at least this week I am Pro Gruden ..but i have been known to change....LOL

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[quote=rocnrik;1176161]My only fear is A complete overhaul..which would mean Cousins leaves,Gruden gone..we start all over and with Snyder in charge we could do a lot worse than Gruden..Cousins is somewhat tied to Jay. and with Goff playing good the rams won't go after cousins..maybe 49ers? so for at least this week I am Pro Gruden ..but i have been known to change....LOL[/quote]

The 49ers signed Brian Hoyer to start. If that isn't an admission of defeat idk what is. Clearly they are biding time so Shanny can go after Cousins in FA.

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[quote=mooby;1176163]The 49ers signed Brian Hoyer to start. If that isn't an admission of defeat idk what is. Clearly they are biding time so Shanny can go after Cousins in FA.[/quote]

The question for the teams involved, probably not including the Skins, will be do you pay an outrageous, but manageable, sum for an above average talent in KC, or do you end up so bad this year that you get the top pick in the draft and get a good to great qb with the chance to build the team around him?

Let's hope Watson in Houston can convince other GM's its worth taking the chance in the draft.

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Can we not make this a KC contract thread? Please? Lol


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[quote=WillH;1176170]Can we not make this a KC contract thread? Please? Lol


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Ok, I will take it to the KC thread.

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[quote=WillH;1176170]Can we not make this a KC contract thread? Please? Lol


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sorry:benched:

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I mean, it makes sense to talk about Grudens fate as is relates to KC, but just not contract talk I think.

I'll say this, a lot of great coaches share their fate with a great QB, but certainly not all. Cousins has this year to prove it to JG that he is that guy for him. If he does, I think JG moves mountains to keep him, if not, I think JG lets him walk and starts over with a draft pick or maybe a stopgap until a draft pick. I do think Gruden survives KC if he leaves after this year.

My opinion in part comes from what Jon Gruden was saying about Cousins before and during the game. Essentially that he is good but not great ... yet. That he CAN be great, but will he? I guarantee that the two have talked about the most important player on the team, and I'm sure Jon is well aware of his feelings about him. Which goes back to why Jay is the man and the best HC we've had in decades. He's a good talent evaluator and you either perform or you don't play for him.


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Put it this way, if Jay were on the job market this year, having accomplished what he has to date, would other teams hire him? Would you want the Redskins to, if their job were open?

For me the answer to both is a big yes.

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[quote=MTK;1176125]There’s a lot more to like about Jay as a HC than not. Hope we’re smart and keep him around for a lot longer.[/quote]

Totally agree. Consistency is what's needed now that the organization seems to be turning the corner.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10;1176179]Put it this way, if Jay were on the job market this year, having accomplished what he has to date, would other teams hire him? Would you want the Redskins to, if their job were open?



For me the answer to both is a big yes.[/QUOTE]


Good way to sum it up

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I actually like jay but he needs to learn when and when not to call timeouts.

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[quote=Bigreds77;1176195]I actually like jay but he needs to learn when and when not to call timeouts.[/quote]

I didn't have a problem with it during the game but in hindsight it did bite us in the ass. I guess his general rule was use the first at 1 min, the 2nd at 30 sec, and the 3rd at the end if necessary.

Maybe he should have let the clock run down to 45 or 30 before he used the first.

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[quote=Schneed10;1176179]Put it this way, if Jay were on the job market this year, having accomplished what he has to date, would other teams hire him? Would you want the Redskins to, if their job were open?

For me the answer to both is a big yes.[/quote]

Great post. Totally agree.