Dustin Hopkins Sucks Post Game Thread
 

Stop missing extra points you little bitch.

Haskins, you played like shit the 1st 3 quarters. Way to be resilient, you were very good in the 4th quarter. Maybe we just need to play up tempo all 60 minutes when he's playing. Way to finally scramble for some 1st downs. MORE OF THAT!!

Geez Louise OL. What a pathetic performance in crunch time.

C'mon Browns!!

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Hopkins is stealing his paychecks.

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I think we can officially say we're a drastically improved team missing a few pieces from being pretty good.

Beat Pittsburgh and almost beat Seattle even though we played like shit 75% of the game.

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Tough loss.

F Hopkins, he has to be done here after this season.

- the two turnovers and the missed Xtra point, and it's at least OT, probably an outright W.

+ A Smith, A Gibson, C Holcomb, & KPL, and I like their chances if there is a rematch in the playoffs.

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He continues to miss in big moments. (2016 he missed that kick in OT vs the Bengals in London) I’ve seen enough. Unfortunately, we’re stuck with him for the rest of the season.

-Haskins still can’t read coverages, improved in the second half, but still stares down WR’s
- Defense gave up a few big plays, but kept Metcalf and Lockett in check
- Thomas, and McKissic played great
- I like our chances in a potential playoff rematch

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I want to roll with Haskins the rest of the way. I want to see more 4th qtr DH before we dump him.

If AS is the plan next year...fuck me...

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[quote=jamf;1269298]I want to roll with Haskins the rest of the way. I want to see more 4th qtr DH before we dump him.

If AS is the plan next year...fuck me...[/quote]

4th quarter DH is better than AS. 1st half + DH isn't better than anyone. But we always start slow with AS too. Can we risk Haskins turning it over to see the potential of a possibly more powerful offense? Tough call. Pretty much been that way all year.

Rivera already said AS is starting if healthy tho.

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Hopkins has missed two extra points this year. His conversion rate is right on par with the league average. Missing a game tying extra point in the closing minutes of a game is one thing, but you can’t blame a kicker for a loss because he missed an extra point with 14 minutes left in an 11 point game. Hopkins doesn’t suck, Hopkins is average. I’m all for replacing replacing him with a better kicker, the problem is that most unsigned kickers tend to be worse than average.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1269285]Tough loss.

F Hopkins, he has to be done here after this season.

- the two turnovers and the missed Xtra point, and it's at least OT, probably an outright W.

+ A Smith, A Gibson, C Holcomb, & KPL, and I like their chances if there is a rematch in the playoffs.[/quote]

I agree.

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[quote=Coff;1269301]Hopkins has missed two extra points this year. His conversion rate is right on par with the league average. Missing a game tying extra point in the closing minutes of a game is one thing, but you can’t blame a kicker for a loss because he missed an extra point with 14 minutes left in an 11 point game. Hopkins doesn’t suck, Hopkins is average. I’m all for replacing replacing him with a better kicker, the problem is that most unsigned kickers tend to be worse than average.[/quote]

Might need to use one of our 7th rounders on a kicker. Drafting one is the best way to guarantee you get a high upside K.

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I wanted Hopkins gone a few years ago when he was blowing kicks regularly.

I'd be happy to see him go now, but like other people have pointed out, everybody else out there is either just as good, or worse...

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The defense was gashed most of this game on the ground, they showed up in the clutch tho.

Offense just sucks, no other way around it. Haskins is bad but he doesn't have many weapons to work it just like Alex doesn't.

Terry , J.D and Logan Thomas are legit the only options.

BTW, How about Thomas?? Holy shit.

Overall, I figured we'd lose by more and I'm glad this team fights in every game.

8-8 and a division crown would be a huge improvement

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[quote=Coff;1269301]Hopkins has missed two extra points this year. His conversion rate is right on par with the league average. Missing a game tying extra point in the closing minutes of a game is one thing, but you can’t blame a kicker for a loss because he missed an extra point with 14 minutes left in an 11 point game. Hopkins doesn’t suck, Hopkins is average. I’m all for replacing replacing him with a better kicker, the problem is that most unsigned kickers tend to be worse than average.[/quote]

He's missed a kick in NINE games this year. There's only two kickers in the league (who have attempted at least 25 FGs) with a worst FG percentage. That is not average.

Hopkins didn't lose the game today, but that missed extra point factored in big time. If he kicks better this year, I can find at least two if not three more wins.

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At least the field looked good in a December game. That was a pleasant surprise

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That missed pat would be the last straw. That game at least should have been in OT. Enough is enough.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1269303]Might need to use one of our 7th rounders on a kicker. Drafting one is the best way to guarantee you get a high upside K.[/quote]

Err, Roberto Aguayo anyone?

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The game went a little better than I thought, I believed we would have lost by 2-3 TDs but the defense did the best they could. They shut down Metcalf (bad for me cuz of FFL) and Lockette, but didn't do a great job of defending against the running game. The offense singlehanded lost this game for us - Haskins's 2 ints hurt us.

If we play Seattle again in playoffs, this time with Smith, I think we would have a good chance of winning the game.

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[quote=jamf;1269298]I want to roll with Haskins the rest of the way. I want to see more 4th qtr DH before we dump him.

If AS is the plan next year...fuck me...[/quote]

This

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I still want Alex playing. It is nice that Dwayne finally played one good quarter of football but that is not enough to make me believe he is not a bust.
Also it is nice being a second half team that can make adjustments but what the hell is the problem with our first halves? Are we game planning all wrong? Do we not spend enough time in the film room? It is like the first half is our film. It is not sustainable to always be down two scores nearing half.

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We can blame Hopkins for not being able to make it to OT but let us not forget that if Dwayne doesn’t force two balls into triple coverage down in fg range we win without OT.

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Dwayne needs to have some common sense. Watching some replays those ints were just bad. Turner needs to speed up the game for him and use the running game more. I didn't get to see the game but I was hoping the D would have a multi sack game with RW back there since he takes so many sacks. I am assuming game plan?

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Hopkins sucks but he didn’t lose this game. QB play did in the 1st half. You can’t spot Russ and the Hawks a 20-3 lead. The difference in the game was they had the better QB/RB play when it mattered most

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I'll still take a healthy AS over Haskins to finish the year off... but honestly that 4th quarter by Dwayne got me thinking his time here may not be over yet. The kid has an arm, has potential and is improving his mobility. He also made some nice throws under pressure.

As expected we missed Holcomb and KPL against the run, and I was quite disappointed with our DL early on. They showed up late and it would've been enough minus the missed extra point... [I][U]and Moses' injury. The 3rd and 15 game finishing sack doesn't happen if he's healthy.[/U][/I]

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[quote=punch it in;1269393]We can blame Hopkins for not being able to make it to OT but let us not forget that if Dwayne doesn’t force two balls into triple coverage down in fg range we win without OT.[/quote]

The 1st INT: They were in FG range, but if Wright doesn't tip that pass, I think Sims either catches it at the 5 yard line, or it's incomplete. That was just unfortunate. Not a bad throw on the run in my opinion.

The 2nd INT: They were not in FG range, unless you think Hopkins is good for a 61 yard FG (nope). He read the CB wrong. He thought Reed was going to stay with McLaurin, but he broke it off and came up to make the INT. I think if he could take it back, he pumps to Sims and hits McLaurin in the end zone for an easy TD; or he just hits Barber in the flat for 5-6 yards.

Neither of those INTs were into triple coverage...

Live and learn. I'm glad he is trying to push the ball down the field. The offense looked better today with Haskins at QB. Out of 10 possessions, six drives were at least 8 plays, five of those going for more than 40 yards. Against the 49ers they had 13 possessions - only TWO drives with at least 8 plays, and only ONE drive of more than 40 yards.

The INTs hurt, but even with those, if Hopkins makes that extra point it's a different game.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1269403]I'll still take a healthy AS over Haskins to finish the year off... but honestly that 4th quarter by Dwayne got me thinking his time here may not be over yet. The kid has an arm, has potential and is improving his mobility. He also made some nice throws under pressure.

As expected we missed Holcomb and KPL against the run, and I was quite disappointed with our DL early on. They showed up late and it would've been enough minus the missed extra point... [I][U]and Moses' injury. The 3rd and 15 game finishing sack doesn't happen if he's healthy.[/U][/I][/quote]

I agree.

The problem with Haskins is everything besides his arm. He can make any throw he wants, but his mechanics need to be better, his decision making absolutely has to be better, he needs to mimic how Alex Smith approaches the game when it's not being played.

Russell Wilson had an interview after the game and I think it would do Haskins well to pay attention. Paraphrasing here, but Wilson said winning is the culmination of all the work you put in off the field, it's how you prepare.

Yes, luck plays a part too, and it probably didn't help that we were missing Holcomb in the run game, and we know Haskins didn't get gashed in run d or not even sack a guy who's been sacked 42 times this year.

But it's looking more like Ron is going to approach next offseason without giving up on Haskins, especially if our options to upgrade are limited, so Haskins really just needs to keep his head down and keep working. He does that and there's no telling what he can do.

It was also encouraging how Dwayne responded in the second half, and he said after the game it was because he played angry. My thing is, if that's what it takes to be an effective qb, you need to play angry from the start. Whatever motivates you, the perceived lack of respect from your competitors, even your coaches. But your mentality has to be consistent from start to finish. Don't wait until we go down by 3 scores to get mad.

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[QUOTE=Chief X_Phackter;1269405]The 1st INT: They were in FG range, but if Wright doesn't tip that pass, I think Sims either catches it at the 5 yard line, or it's incomplete. That was just unfortunate. Not a bad throw on the run in my opinion.



The 2nd INT: They were not in FG range, unless you think Hopkins is good for a 61 yard FG (nope). He read the CB wrong. He thought Reed was going to stay with McLaurin, but he broke it off and came up to make the INT. I think if he could take it back, he pumps to Sims and hits McLaurin in the end zone for an easy TD; or he just hits Barber in the flat for 5-6 yards.



Neither of those INTs were into triple coverage...



Live and learn. I'm glad he is trying to push the ball down the field. The offense looked better today with Haskins at QB. Out of 10 possessions, six drives were at least 8 plays, five of those going for more than 40 yards. Against the 49ers they had 13 possessions - only TWO drives with at least 8 plays, and only ONE drive of more than 40 yards.



The INTs hurt, but even with those, if Hopkins makes that extra point it's a different game.[/QUOTE]



Im going off word of mouth from the game thread because I had to listen. Also off the announcers take which was that they were both bad decisions but the first pass from what I understand was a risky pass. There was no reason to risk anything. The second may not have been in fg range but we were damn close and it wasn’t a panic situation again. Haskins has had a couple years to live n learn. He should not be pushing the ball down the field in those situations unless he has a clear shot. He stinks. I am shocked that so many are on the DH train still.

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[quote=punch it in;1269407]Im going off word of mouth but the first pass from what I understand was a risky pass. There was no reason to risk anything. The second may not have been in fg range but we were damn close and it wasn’t a panic situation again. [B]Haskins has had a couple years to live n learn.[/B] He should not be pushing the ball down the field in those situations unless he has a clear shot. He stinks. I am shocked that so many are on the DH train still.[/quote]

He's started 12 games in the NFL. You must be counting his College career.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1269405]The 1st INT: They were in FG range, but if Wright doesn't tip that pass, I think Sims either catches it at the 5 yard line, or it's incomplete. That was just unfortunate. Not a bad throw on the run in my opinion.

The 2nd INT: They were not in FG range, unless you think Hopkins is good for a 61 yard FG (nope). He read the CB wrong. He thought Reed was going to stay with McLaurin, but he broke it off and came up to make the INT. I think if he could take it back, he pumps to Sims and hits McLaurin in the end zone for an easy TD; or he just hits Barber in the flat for 5-6 yards.

Neither of those INTs were into triple coverage...

Live and learn. I'm glad he is trying to push the ball down the field. The offense looked better today with Haskins at QB. Out of 10 possessions, six drives were at least 8 plays, five of those going for more than 40 yards. Against the 49ers they had 13 possessions - only TWO drives with at least 8 plays, and only ONE drive of more than 40 yards.

The INTs hurt, but even with those, if Hopkins makes that extra point it's a different game.[/quote]

Chief I disagree on the first INT, it was deep into territory with two defenders, and it never should've been thrown. It's what happens when you get frustrated and you try to make a play because you're not willing to take what the defense gives you.

The other beef that I have with Haskins is his progressions, it looks like he only scans half the field on some plays before he dumps it. There was a play in particular where Haskins had a guy running open down the seam but he never even looked in his direction before checking down. Is he being coached to only scan half the field to get the ball out quicker?

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[QUOTE=Chief X_Phackter;1269409]He's started 12 games in the NFL. You must be counting his College career.[/QUOTE]



Im counting that he has had two years to “learn” not sulk on social media. You do not have to start to learn. His footwork is still nonsense. His decision making is still nonsense. His seeing the field is still nonsense. Do you really think he is our quarterback of the future? Would you not change that pick right now if given the choice to do so?

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I'm not on any train, but the offense looked better yesterday than it has in the last four wins.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1269409]He's started 12 games in the NFL. You must be counting his College career.[/quote]

Let's be fair, didn't he only start for one season in college before declaring? The kid is as green as it gets. I tend to agree with the coaches when they say Haskins should be a 5th year senior in college right now because of how little PT he's had.

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[quote=punch it in;1269413]Im counting that he has had two years to “learn” not sulk on social media. You do not have to start to learn. His footwork is still nonsense. His decision making is still nonsense. His seeing the field is still nonsense. [B]Do you really think he is our quarterback of the future?[/B] Would you not change that pick right now if given the choice to do so?[/quote]

I don't know, maybe.

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[QUOTE=mooby;1269411]Chief I disagree on the first INT, it was deep into territory with two defenders, and it never should've been thrown. It's what happens when you get frustrated and you try to make a play because you're not willing to take what the defense gives you.



The other beef that I have with Haskins is his progressions, it looks like he only scans half the field on some plays before he dumps it. There was a play in particular where Haskins had a guy running open down the seam but he never even looked in his direction before checking down. Is he being coached to only scan half the field to get the ball out quicker?[/QUOTE]



I did see some of the game on red zone and there was more than one play where he never even looked left. He had McClaurin in one on one coverage at one point, and he never even looked his way. Just panicked (without pressure really) and checked down. I cannot even believe that DH is being given a pass for his play here. The guy is a fuckin bust. If Alex is healthy he starts. Next year we need a new quarterback.

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[quote=mooby;1269411]Chief I disagree on [B]the first INT, it was deep into territory with two defenders[/B], and it never should've been thrown. It's what happens when you get frustrated and you try to make a play because you're not willing to take what the defense gives you.

The other beef that I have with Haskins is his progressions, it looks like he only scans half the field on some plays before he dumps it. There was a play in particular where Haskins had a guy running open down the seam but he never even looked in his direction before checking down. Is he being coached to only scan half the field to get the ball out quicker?[/quote]

Two receivers, two defenders. Not triple coverage, and not a terrible throw on the run. A great interception though.

He does need to work on his progressions...again, 12 NFL starts...

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[QUOTE=Chief X_Phackter;1269414]I'm not on any train, but the offense looked better yesterday than it has in the last four wins.[/QUOTE]



It took almost three quarters to look that way and Seattle had a putrid pass D. Putrid. I wish I could get excited about a potential cure to our quarterback issues but I cannot. And if Dwayne starts next week it will not take long to cement my doubt.

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I'm not giving him a "pass". He started, threw two INTs, and lost the game by 5 points to the NFC West division leader. As the QB, he gets the L.

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[QUOTE=Chief X_Phackter;1269421]I'm not giving him a "pass". He started, threw two INTs, and lost the game by 5 points to the NFC West division leader. As the QB, he gets the L.[/QUOTE]



The NFC West leader that Colt McCoy managed to win a game against. I know it is a team game but our D held Russ in check pretty well. Yes Hopkins is an ass. That being said if Alex starts that game yesterday we score at least 6 more points during those two drives. Alex will start next week, and we will probably sign or draft someone to take over next year. Sadly Dwayne will not be able to prove anything to anyone in Washington and I am not at all concerned we are not giving him a fair shake. Dude has problems that go far beyond experience. Seeing the field, making ass decisions, bad footwork. These are signs of a bust. Ill eat the biggest crow ever if he winds up being the guy though....

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[quote=punch it in;1269420]It took almost three quarters to look that way and Seattle had a putrid pass D. Putrid. I wish I could get excited about a potential cure to our quarterback issues but I cannot. And if Dwayne starts next week it will not take long to cement my doubt.[/quote]

You must have forgotten all the short fields Alex Smith has benefited from the last four games. Haskins wasn't the beneficiary of that. He actually drove the offense down the field...

It's easy to get better in pass D when you don't have to worry about a running game.

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[quote=punch it in;1269422]The NFC West leader that [B]Colt McCoy[/B] managed to win a game against. I know it is a team game but our D held Russ in check pretty well. Yes Hopkins is an ass. That being said if Alex starts that game yesterday we score at least 6 more points during those two drives. Alex will start next week, and we will probably sign or draft someone to take over next year. Sadly Dwayne will not be able to prove anything to anyone in Washington and I am not at all concerned we are not giving him a fair shake. Dude has problems that go far beyond experience. Seeing the field, making ass decisions, bad footwork. These are signs of a bust. Ill eat the biggest crow ever if he winds up being the guy though....[/quote]

He's played in 44 games over 10 years in the NFL. Hard to compare him to Haskins at this point...

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The offense may have played their best in the last 5 games (to be fair they didn't do shit until down 3 scores) but the Seahawks defense is the worst unit of the 5 that we played during this 4-1 run.