Chase Young #99
 

24 regular season games played as a starter and only 9 sacks after being selected as the 2nd overall pick in 2020.....

Question: is it too soon to label Chase Young a bust ???

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Yes.

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Yes.

83.9 PFF grade this Sunday. 75.8 for the year.

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Hes had a quiet and disappointing year 2 half way through but the advanced stats have him in pretty high regard .. for whatever thats worth.

The guy has physical intangibles that are through the roof. Great IQ. Great read, recognize and react. great motor and hunger to be the best. Zero off field or character issues.

Sometimes too eager to get to the QB and can forget lane control.

Hes going to be a great player for a long time in this league.

Rough patch right now.

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He's not a bust yet but if he can't make impacts like that force fumble more often, he will end up being another Clowney

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Seriously?

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Saw somewhere that the DL coach, Sam Mills III, has been asking the ends to play like Ryan Kerrigan, which from qhat I recall amounts to bull rush, speed rush and an occaisional rip move. If true a total waste of talent.

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Hard to say because we have an absolutely inept coaching staff.

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It's still too early. Young gets a lot more attention this year now, he just needs to learn how to beat the chip blocks & double teams.

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[quote=punch it in;1298577]Hard to say because we have an absolutely inept coaching staff.[/quote]

Leaning on this. No coaching up whatsoever. He's playing like a jag and his talent is too much for that. He needs help.

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Dude is Clowney 2.0, said it from the day we drafted him.

Big, looks intimidating but is constantly out of position, takes himself out of plays, has about.5 pass rush moves and generally looks like a JAG.

Cant rush worth a fuck, can't cover, can tackle well either.

TF we think hes the face of a franchise for?

FFS we are pathetic.

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[quote=JGisLordOfTheRings;1298611]Dude is Clowney 2.0, said it from the day we drafted him.

Big, looks intimidating but is constantly out of position, takes himself out of plays, has about.5 pass rush moves and generally looks like a JAG.

Cant rush worth a fuck, can't cover, can tackle well either.

TF we think hes the face of a franchise for?

FFS we are pathetic.[/quote]

Not passing the JGLOTR eye test huh?

I'm firmly on the "no" camp right now in regards to him being a bust.

If his stats aren't reflecting his play by the end of next season then it's probably a yes.

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I wouldn't say he can't tackle well, he's pretty damn good at that. He wasn't drafted to cover anyone, but yes his pass rush moves are horrible.. If he can't bull rush you he is a non factor. That is a huge issue and needs to be fixed or else he will be another Clowney for sure

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Rivera had some insightful comments on JP Finlay's podcast this week - he had the analytics team look at how often Chase and Montez are facing chips or extra blocks on 3rd downs. Rivera said it's noticeably higher than league average.

That explains why the PFF grades are high but the sack numbers are low. It also says that Washington either just noticed this because of the analytics exercise, or they noticed it earlier but have failed to scheme anything up defensively to take advantage. If you know you're going to get chipped more often there should be something you can do schematically to counter it. Hasn't happened yet. Now that he publicly pointed to it, he better show that he has a plan to counter it.

I'd run games on 3rd down. Send the ends inside and let the DTs loop around. The ends won't be where the chipping blockers expect them to be.

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That is why the grades are solid, its why Aaron Donald is consistently the highest graded DL in football, but the defensive scheme is trash. It's not an excuse for CY tho, this was a "generational" talent by 99% of the draft experts.. So far Sweat has been better

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I’ll buy low on CY, he’s flashed and still figuring it out. JDR needs to step up

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[quote=JGisLordOfTheRings;1298611]Dude is Clowney 2.0, said it from the day we drafted him.

Big, looks intimidating but is constantly out of position, takes himself out of plays, has about.5 pass rush moves and generally looks like a JAG.

Cant rush worth a fuck, can't cover, can tackle well either.

TF we think hes the face of a franchise for?

FFS we are pathetic.[/quote]

Let's not go off the deep end. There are enough legit gripes to make without making stuff up. The guy can tackle, honest question when was the last time you saw him miss one?

PFF posted this on 10/25

[quote]Chase Young hasn’t missed a tackle in 1,082 defensive snaps.

Longest active streak in the NFL [/quote]

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[quote=Schneed10;1298614]Rivera had some insightful comments on JP Finlay's podcast this week - he had the analytics team look at how often Chase and Montez are facing chips or extra blocks on 3rd downs. Rivera said it's noticeably higher than league average.

That explains why the PFF grades are high but the sack numbers are low. It also says that Washington either just noticed this because of the analytics exercise, or they noticed it earlier but have failed to scheme anything up defensively to take advantage. If you know you're going to get chipped more often there should be something you can do schematically to counter it. Hasn't happened yet. Now that he publicly pointed to it, he better show that he has a plan to counter it.

I'd run games on 3rd down. Send the ends inside and let the DTs loop around. The ends won't be where the chipping blockers expect them to be.[/quote]

Is CY the only guy in the league getting chipped though? Garrett, Donald, Watt, etc don't get doubled or chipped a ton? I don't know man, this has always seemed like a weak excuse to me. He seems to get plenty of one on ones and he's simply not winning enough.

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He had an excellent rookie season. Truly excellent.

This year is highly disappointing so far for sure, but he can still turn it around.
I think part of the issue is a young guy used to success and not handling struggles and adversity very well.
But part of it is definitely on coaching too. You can't have a young player that talented regress that much and not blame coaches, at least partly.
Finally, I don't want to see him drop into coverage one more time. Ever. That was again the case last Sunday, and it was embarrassing, and it's not fooling anybody, and teams are taking advantage of it. It's like thinking you're smart for using a chainsaw to play ping pong. Yeah that's feasible. Yeah that's unexpected. But it's also highly inefficient.

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[quote=MTK;1298622]Is CY the only guy in the league getting chipped though? Garrett, Donald, Watt, etc don't get doubled or chipped a ton? I don't know man, this has always seemed like a weak excuse to me. He seems to get plenty of one on ones and he's simply not winning enough.[/quote]

Definitely needs to develop more pass rush moves if he's going to live up to the #2 overall pick, I'm just saying that his reputation and ability is drawing the attention of offensive coordinators. It's up to our defensive staff to scheme in such a way that lets the play of those around Chase actually be elevated by the attention Chase draws. They haven't, and that's probably the most disappointing thing about this year, to me. Del Rio hasn't schemed up anything. I'm getting very concerned that he and Rivera have a way of doing things, and they're either just too rigid to deviate from it, or they lack the strategic thought to adjust successfully.

Chase won't be a HOF player if he doesn't improve with his pass rush repertoire but it's also insane to call him a bust right now. I don't think his coaches are doing him any favors.

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[quote=Chico23231;1298619]I’ll buy low on CY, he’s flashed and still figuring it out. JDR needs to step up[/quote]

+1

JDR and Sam Mills - both are not looking too hot right now.

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[quote=Schneed10;1298614]Rivera had some insightful comments on JP Finlay's podcast this week - he had the analytics team look at how often Chase and Montez are facing chips or extra blocks on 3rd downs. Rivera said it's noticeably higher than league average.

That explains why the PFF grades are high but the sack numbers are low. It also says that Washington either just noticed this because of the analytics exercise, or they noticed it earlier but have failed to scheme anything up defensively to take advantage. If you know you're going to get chipped more often there should be something you can do schematically to counter it. Hasn't happened yet. Now that he publicly pointed to it, he better show that he has a plan to counter it.

I'd run games on 3rd down. Send the ends inside and let the DTs loop around. The ends won't be where the chipping blockers expect them to be.[/quote]


This falls on Rivera and Del Rio.....I think the answer is sending an extra pass rusher such as a LB, a safety, or even a corner......if one or more blockers are occupying Young and Sweat then the answer is to send a extra blitzer....the offense can't block everyone in this case.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;1298565]24 regular season games played as a starter and only 9 sacks after being selected as the 2nd overall pick in 2020.....

Question: is it too soon to label Chase Young a bust ???[/quote]

Yes.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;1298653]This falls on Rivera and Del Rio.....I think the answer is sending an extra pass rusher such as a LB, a safety, or even a corner......if one or more blockers are occupying Young and Sweat then the answer is to send a extra blitzer....the offense can't block everyone in this case.[/quote]

Of course you're right. Del Rio couldn't even buy a clue on how to call an effective game for his defense. This is part of the reason for the low sack numbers.

As for Rivera, I'm damn sick and tired of his lame excuses for just about every deficiency. He even said that the "process" was more important than wins. To whom? Not the fans or the owner. When did winning fall out of first on the list of priorities?

I was a salesman before I retired. I wish I had known enough then to tell my boss whenever I lost a deal that the process I used was good. He probably would have paid me a commission for having a good process. Isn't that right, Ron?

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1298671]Of course you're right. Del Rio couldn't even buy a clue on how to call an effective game for his defense. This is part of the reason for the low sack numbers.

As for Rivera, I'm damn sick and tired of his lame excuses for just about every deficiency. He even said that the "process" was more important than wins. To whom? Not the fans or the owner. When did winning fall out of first on the list of priorities?

I was a salesman before I retired. I wish I had known enough then to tell my boss whenever I lost a deal that the process I used was good. He probably would have paid me a commission for having a good process. Isn't that right, Ron?[/quote]

I distinctly remember when rr was hired....he said one of the reasons he came here was because of the talent and that he didn't think he needed a 5 year plan to get this team to be a contender. We were better....and it was alluded to that it was coaching bringing us down. ...well....this is year 2, and we are wayyyyy worse than we were with the previous regime.
So as you are a career salesman...can we agree that he sold us the dream?
And he did it really well.
Unfortunately....it doesn't come with a warranty.

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[quote=OnceWeWereKings;1298681]I distinctly remember when rr was hired....he said one of the reasons he came here was because of the talent and that he didn't think he needed a 5 year plan to get this team to be a contender. We were better....and it was alluded to that it was coaching bringing us down. ...well....this is year 2, and we are wayyyyy worse than we were with the previous regime.
So as you are a career salesman...can we agree that he sold us the dream?
And he did it really well.
Unfortunately....it doesn't come with a warranty.[/quote]

I'm pretty sure when he was hired he didn't think he would get cancer or that Dwayne would suck so bad that he'd need to get cut; hell even going into this year no one would have guessed that a durable vet QB would get hurt. And coming in he already was handicapped by having Snyder as an owner.

That being said, I think the fluke playoff trip gave fans too much hope. I also think Ron has made a few head scratching moves that he does not need to make.

I do think he needs an opportunity to get his own QB, either through the draft or trade. I also think that a good QB would have us with a better record now, even with all the things that the team has gone through this season.

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As most do when they first come here, Ron clearly underestimated this black hole of a franchise and how long it would take to dig it out.

Making the playoffs at 7-9 definitely gave fans a false sense of hope that we were close. A defense that feasted on mostly backup QB's and bad teams during the stretch run last year had the same effect.

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[quote=MTK;1298743]As most do when they first come here, Ron clearly underestimated this black hole of a franchise and how long it would take to dig it out.

Making the playoffs at 7-9 definitely gave fans a [B]false sense of hope [/B]that we were close. A defense that feasted on mostly backup QB's and bad teams during the stretch run last year had the same effect.[/quote]

I feel like we had good reason to expect big things from this D. It wasnt fan over hype based in fantasy world .. this D had and has some premier pieces plus a ton of resources and capital poured into it.

Obviously the season has played out like it did so we and the entire NFL world was wrong but I dont think our thinking and logic entering this season was flawed.

We werent wrong or being fanboys to expect big things from this D.

Thats what bugs me. Its just odd. The pieces are there, the solutions are in house ... its just not materializing.

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[quote=MTK;1298743]As most do when they first come here, Ron clearly underestimated this black hole of a franchise and how long it would take to dig it out.

Making the playoffs at 7-9 definitely gave fans a false sense of hope that we were close. A defense that feasted on mostly backup QB's and bad teams during the stretch run last year had the same effect.[/quote]

It also didn't help that TH had a magical game and everyone went nuts over him... Thinking he was the next Romo or something.

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Enough clues were there that things weren't quite what they seemed with the defense and the team overall. Look at some of these wins last year.

Week 7: 25-3 over Dallas. Andy Dalton and Ben DiNucci at QB. Dallas was 2-4 at the time. If Dak was healthy, who knows. Probably a much different ball game.

Week 11: 20-9 over the Bengals. Burrow was balling before he got hurt. Finley came in and was terrible. Bengals were 2-6-1 at the time.

Week 12: 41-16 over Dallas. Andy Dalton at QB. Dallas was 3-7 and in a free fall.

Week 13: 23-17 over Pittsburgh. Legit good win IMO. But Pittsburgh seemed due for a loss and hadn't been playing that great coming in. But hey, there were 11-0. Again, legit solid win.

Week 14: 23-15 over the 49ers. Nick Mullens at QB, enough said. SF was 5-7 coming in.

Week 17: 20-14 over the Eagles. We know the story here, Hurts gets pulled inexplicably, Sudfeld comes in and is terrible. Philly was a bad team, 4-10-1 coming in.

I think it's safe to say that if Dak played in both of those games, we probably lose at least one of them. If Burrow doesn't get hurt, we perhaps lose to the Bengals. And if Hurts plays that whole game, we again could have easily dropped that one too. Not crazy to think we were close to being 4-12 and completely different expectations for this year.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1298747]It also didn't help that TH had a magical game and everyone went nuts over him... Thinking he was the next Romo or something.[/quote]

Yeah and TH's performance seemed to make people forget the Bucs absolutely carved up our defense for 500+ yards. And CY was totally invisible.

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[quote=MTK;1298751]Yeah and TH's performance seemed to make people forget the Bucs absolutely carved up our defense for 500+ yards. And CY was totally invisible.[/quote]

yep, we were lucky Dak was out all season or else we wouldn't have even come close to the division

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Jag with above average physical prowess

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Young seems to have regressed......he doesn't even have 5 sacks so fat this year.....knowing what we know now Justin zHerbert would have been the more impactful pick.

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I apologize if someone said this already but CY is following Orakpo's path, only quicker. Orakpo came in like a ball of fire and after two seasons he started relying on one move and started relying on the Refs to call holding.

Young seems to be doing the same thing, one move if it doesn't work he quits on the play IMO

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;1299119]Young seems to have regressed......he doesn't even have 5 sacks so fat this year.....knowing what we know now Justin zHerbert would have been the more impactful pick.[/quote]

I don´t know about that. Yes, he has more impact for the Chargers than CY has for us. But are we sure that he wouldn´t just be downcoached and left alone here, too?

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jag

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CY today “y’all just wait and keep watching”


also when asked about his offseason commercial shoots during OTAs and minicamp: “I was making money, baby. Gotta make that money. None of y’all would’ve ducked the money. At the end of the day it’s a job. You feel me? Just like y’all do your job, I do my job.”

It is a job no doubt and I can't blame him for making $$ but he is clearly not as dedicated to the game as we all thought he was.

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Yeah I just hope he will be motivated to work harder after this season

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1299289]CY today “y’all just wait and keep watching”


also when asked about his offseason commercial shoots during OTAs and minicamp: “I was making money, baby. Gotta make that money. None of y’all would’ve ducked the money. At the end of the day it’s a job. You feel me? Just like y’all do your job, I do my job.”

It is a job no doubt and I can't blame him for making $$ but he is clearly not as dedicated to the game as we all thought he was.[/quote]

Snyder..."Yeah Chase you go do those commercials baby!!! Don't worry about these dumb OTAs...you get your face out there and make us proud! I got you man...you my dog!!!" RGIII 2.0 Rookie of the year, goes to his head, Snyder lifts them above the coaches, becomes entitled, play drops off, not the player he was thought to be, team loses, rinse and repeat.