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skinsfaninok 03-26-2021 08:00 AM

Pre Draft Thread 2.0
 
Time for a fresh start..

1 Month away from the Draft!

What are some of your thoughts on players to target at 19?

Now that this offense is all but assembled, I think you can go BPA at 19 or even trade down..

My top 3 guys right now are :

Z. Collins - LB / Tulsa
C. Derrisaw - LT / VT
T . Moehrig - S / TCU

AnonEmouse 03-26-2021 08:31 AM

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I definitely don't believe in trading up or down from the #19 pick. Unless we get a stupid offer (who does that lower in the 1st?) then there's unlikely any real need. The teams immediately above us have similar needs so why trade down, and who do we want so bad that this becomes sensible? The teams below us don't really have the same needs, so they're unlikely to want to trade up. Unless one of the best QB's is still within range and the trade is feasible, who would we move up for anyway?

For me we take the most impactful LT, LB or S still available, and in that priority order. But I actually think the top 2/3 LT's will be gone by 19, so I'm leaning towards the mocks suggesting we take Koramoah. An athletic, rangy, savvy LB could work wonders in defending the run. And I've said it before, we need a DL/LB/S trio to make this defence truly memorable, a la Suggs, Lewis & Reed @ Ravens.

So if we go best LB at #19 and can pick up a FS diamond later on, then it would only leave our OL as a potential weakness, and who knows what we can find in the lower rounds, or even via post draft FA (when guys like Fisher might still be available AND cheaper).

skinsfaninok 03-26-2021 01:09 PM

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Filed to ESPN: Dolphins trading No. 3 overall pick to the San Francisco 49ers for the No. 12 pick, a 2021 third-round pick (SFís comp pick for Robert Saleh hiring) and first-round picks in 2022 and 2023, per sources.

Blockbuster deal with massive ramifications for years to come.

WOW

Chico23231 03-26-2021 01:19 PM

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San Fran getting a QB...gotta think itís Trey Lance so he wouldnít fall to Carolina

EARTHQUAKE2689 03-26-2021 01:23 PM

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[quote=Chico23231;1280324]San Fran getting a QB...gotta think itís Trey Lance so he wouldnít fall to Carolina[/quote]

I think it ends up being Fields or Wilson, whichever one the Jets dont take

Chico23231 03-26-2021 01:34 PM

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1280325]I think it ends up being Fields or Wilson, whichever one the Jets dont take[/quote]

Yup. Crazy how I keep forgetting Fields is a big QB prospect. I personally like Wilson as the 2nd best prospect at QB

Ruhskins 03-26-2021 01:37 PM

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@AdamSchefter
Eagles traded their sixth to the Dolphins for No. 12 and their 2022 first-round pick. Teams also swapped mid-round picks -- Eagles' pick 156 for No. 123.

Translation: Iggles want extra picks to get a QB in 2022.

Chico23231 03-26-2021 01:46 PM

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[quote=Ruhskins;1280327]@AdamSchefter
Eagles traded their sixth to the Dolphins for No. 12 and their 2022 first-round pick. Teams also swapped mid-round picks -- Eagles' pick 156 for No. 123.

Translation: Iggles want extra picks to get a QB in 2022.[/quote]

Damn!

Really this is the way to go if your in a rebuild, nice move by eagles. Also they could have another 1 if Wentz starts and finishes in Indy

MTK 03-26-2021 01:51 PM

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1280319]Filed to ESPN: Dolphins trading No. 3 overall pick to the San Francisco 49ers for the No. 12 pick, a 2021 third-round pick (SFís comp pick for Robert Saleh hiring) and first-round picks in 2022 and 2023, per sources.

Blockbuster deal with massive ramifications for years to come.

WOW[/quote]

Nice haul for Miami

sdskinsfan2001 03-26-2021 01:53 PM

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Dolphins gonna be really nasty if Tua can be average or above.

Niners going QB for sure, guarantees 1 more position player option available to us. I approve this trade.

Ruhskins 03-26-2021 01:55 PM

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[quote=Chico23231;1280328]Damn!

Really this is the way to go if your in a rebuild, nice move by eagles. Also they could have another 1 if Wentz starts and finishes in Indy[/quote]

@AndrewBrandt
In sum, the Eagles may have three first-round picks next year as ammunition to replace the QB who replaced the QB who's counting $34 million on their Cap this year.

Chief X_Phackter 03-26-2021 02:26 PM

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[quote=Ruhskins;1280331]@AndrewBrandt
In sum, the Eagles may have three first-round picks next year as ammunition to replace the QB who replaced the QB who's counting $34 million on their Cap this year.[/quote]

It's way too early to write off Hurts at this point.

Ruhskins 03-26-2021 02:35 PM

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1280338]It's way too early to write off Hurts at this point.[/quote]

It is, but history shows new coaches want their own guys. Also, despite the benching fiasco, Doug Pederson was the coach that wanted Hurts over Wentz. The Iggles fired him, and hired a new coach that has no allegiances to Hurts.

I guess best case scenario for them is that Hurts works out, but they don't have a great team, and their unwillingness to add an elite talent like Jamarr Chase at #6 makes me think that they are fine sucking it up this year and going for a top QB in 2022.

Monkeydad 03-26-2021 02:49 PM

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1280325]I think it ends up being Fields or Wilson, whichever one the Jets dont take[/quote]

SF could also take Lance at #3.

I'm not as high on an OSU QB as others..

Monkeydad 03-26-2021 02:52 PM

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[quote=MTK;1280329]Nice haul for Miami[/quote]

So their net gain is:

Moved from 2021 #3 to 2021 #6
Picked up 2021 #102 (SF 3rd Round)
Moved back from 2021 #123 (MIA 4th Round) to 2021 #156 (PHI 5th Round)
Picked up 2023 1st from SF



Who would I pick at #6 if I were them?

Devonta Smith, WR Alabama.

He, Devante Parker and Will Fuller together would be insane and if Tua can't win with that WR group, he's the biggest bust of all time.

Chief X_Phackter 03-26-2021 03:34 PM

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[quote=Monkeydad;1280342]So their net gain is:

Moved from 2021 #3 to 2021 #6
Picked up 2021 #102 (SF 3rd Round)
Moved back from 2021 #123 (MIA 4th Round) to 2021 #156 (PHI 5th Round)
Picked up 2023 1st from SF



Who would I pick at #6 if I were them?

Devonta Smith, WR Alabama.

He, Devante Parker and Will Fuller together would be insane and if Tua can't win with that WR group, he's the biggest bust of all time.[/quote]

No way it's Devonte Smith. If they are going offense, and the first four picks are QBs which appears to be a great possibility, it has to be Ja'Marr Chase or Kyle Pitts.

Chief X_Phackter 03-26-2021 03:37 PM

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[quote=Ruhskins;1280340]It is, but history shows new coaches want their own guys. Also, despite the benching fiasco, Doug Pederson was the coach that wanted Hurts over Wentz. The Iggles fired him, and hired a new coach that has no allegiances to Hurts.

I guess best case scenario for them is that Hurts works out, but they don't have a great team, and their unwillingness to add an elite talent like Jamarr Chase at #6 makes me think that they are fine sucking it up this year and going for a top QB in 2022.[/quote]

Yeah, but this is the year to get your "QB of the future", if you are not sold on Hurts. This year's crop projects to be much better than 2022s.

sdskinsfan2001 03-27-2021 10:55 AM

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19: R1 P19 LB Micah Parsons - Penn State
51: R2 P19 S Richie Grant - Central Florida
74: R3 P10 CB Elijah Molden - Washington
82: R3 P18 LB Cameron McGrone - Michigan
124: R4 P19 RB Chuba Hubbard - Oklahoma State
163: R5 P19 WR Jonathan Adams - Arkansas State
244: R7 P16 G Robert Hainsey - Notre Dame
246: R7 P18 OT Jaylon Moore - Western Michigan

Pervis_Griffith 03-27-2021 11:12 AM

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1280360]19: R1 P19 LB Micah Parsons - Penn State
51: R2 P19 S Richie Grant - Central Florida
74: R3 P10 CB Elijah Molden - Washington
82: R3 P18 LB Cameron McGrone - Michigan
124: R4 P19 RB Chuba Hubbard - Oklahoma State
163: R5 P19 WR Jonathan Adams - Arkansas State
244: R7 P16 G Robert Hainsey - Notre Dame
246: R7 P18 OT Jaylon Moore - Western Michigan[/quote]


Love Richie Grant. And Adams in round 5 is sneaky good.

Hubbard is good, but I'm not sold on him. Would rather go OT there, but I have no idea who was available for ya there.

Chico23231 03-28-2021 10:16 AM

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^
First, I agree with getting your needs together going into a draft...but BPA approach when your slot arrives.

With the OL, the versatility of Ismel and Charles needs to be noted. Both can play guard and both best fit could be there. C,G is set imo.

Your on the right path with RB. I think we could use another guy, but not a great RB draft. IMO, 4-7 round selection

TE and WR just depends on how the draft falls. Finding an TE in the 2-3 round would be ideal

The spots we should focus draft exiting free agency

1.LB
2.TE
3.Tackle

Other:


4.WR
5.Free Safety
6.CB...slot versatility
7.RB

simbosargos75 03-28-2021 10:58 AM

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[quote=Monkeydad;1280342]So their net gain is:

Moved from 2021 #3 to 2021 #6
Picked up 2021 #102 (SF 3rd Round)
Moved back from 2021 #123 (MIA 4th Round) to 2021 #156 (PHI 5th Round)
Picked up 2023 1st from SF



Who would I pick at #6 if I were them?

Devonta Smith, WR Alabama.

He, Devante Parker and Will Fuller together would be insane and if Tua can't win with that WR group, he's the biggest bust of all time.[/quote]


And most likely moved up in the 2022 draft significantly.

Chico23231 03-29-2021 08:35 AM

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ESPN's John Keim reports the Washington Football Team will "strongly consider" taking a quarterback in the 2021 NFL Draft.

The team, according to Ryan Fitzpatrick himself, did not sign the 38-year-old journeyman as the unquestioned Week 1 starter. With the No. 19 pick, Washington could have a shot at Kellen Mond out of Texas A&M or Florida's Kyle Trask. That is, of course, unless Washington trades up to have a shot at one of the top-five QBs off the board. For now, Fitzpatrick is the likely starter while Taylor Heinicke could see playing time if Fitz struggles in 2021.

skinsfaninok 03-29-2021 08:40 AM

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I Just don't see a QB falling to 19, they would have to trade up most likely

MTK 03-29-2021 08:42 AM

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1280385]I Just don't see a QB falling to 19, they would have to trade up most likely[/quote]

Seems unlikely we'd have the ammo to trade into the top 5 or 10, so most likely we could trade up to 12-15 or so if someone fell there.

skinsfaninok 03-29-2021 08:47 AM

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[quote=MTK;1280386]Seems unlikely we'd have the ammo to trade into the top 5 or 10, so most likely we could trade up to 12-15 or so if someone fell there.[/quote]

One thing Ron has said in the past is he doesn't like to lose draft stock.. Now if a QB they love is there in the teens I'm sure he'd reconsider that. I'm more of a fan of drafting Mond in the 3rd or Mills and letting Fitz run the show in 2021

skinsfaninok 03-29-2021 08:56 AM

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[url]https://thedraftnetwork.com/articles/2021-nfl-mock-draft-harris-6.0?fbclid=IwAR2KTrzmGcnY1lHI4ioqiQxupOH_aKOcjyP9q3esPXibynfBrxfc36uk2fg[/url]

I don't see us trading up for Jones but they have it here

Chico23231 03-29-2021 10:25 AM

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These are the guys who if they slide will be BPA I want us to grab:

LB Michah Parson
WR Smith
WR Waddle
CB Surtain

Those are the no brainers, if they are there you take and I think itís not likely but possible one may fall

I know Tackle is a need, but IMO the best value there is 2nd-3rd round. I see a lot of name in the first round who kinda meh.

MTK 03-29-2021 10:29 AM

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Man, Parsons would be a total stud in this D. I'd consider moving up to get him.

TheMalcolmConnection 03-29-2021 10:45 AM

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Prior to Rivera, I would have said no way in hell, but if there's a locker room that would keep his head on straight, it's this one.

SunnySide 03-29-2021 10:53 AM

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[quote=Chico23231;1280395]These are the guys who if they slide will be BPA I want us to grab:

LB Michah Parson
WR Smith
WR Waddle
CB Surtain

Those are the no brainers, if they are there you take and I think itís not likely but possible one may fall

I know Tackle is a need, but IMO the best value there is 2nd-3rd round. I see a lot of name in the first round who kinda meh.[/quote]

I dont think those 4 will be available at 19 but Allen dropped to us, Derwin James dropped .. a player drops every year. 1 of those 4 would be amazing

A+ Talent seems to drop off at around 13 or so.

PFF and CBS mocks have us taking OT Jenkins from Oklahoma State

2nd round - if we could get Wr Bateman or Marshall, that would be ideal

Chico23231 03-29-2021 11:05 AM

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[quote=MTK;1280396]Man, Parsons would be a total stud in this D. I'd consider moving up to get him.[/quote]

Yeah Iím there too. We have the extra 3rd...if you believe he is the next Kuechly then u move up to complete the defense

Chief X_Phackter 03-29-2021 12:29 PM

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[quote=MTK;1280396]Man, Parsons would be a total stud in this D. I'd consider moving up to get him.[/quote]

I was thinking about that the other day. If there was a non-QB to move up for he would be the guy.

Monkeydad 03-29-2021 12:34 PM

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1280405]I was thinking about that the other day. If there was a non-QB to move up for he would be the guy.[/quote]

Also - [url]https://goducks.com/sports/football/roster/penei-sewell/8509[/url]

Chico23231 03-29-2021 12:42 PM

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[quote=Monkeydad;1280408]Also - [url]https://goducks.com/sports/football/roster/penei-sewell/8509[/url][/quote]

Heís not gonna fall...Kyle Pitts TE is the only other guy Iíd move up for

EdmundDorf 03-29-2021 12:44 PM

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Heard somewhere that Parsons has off field issues and half of teams have removed him from their draft board as a result. So he may well fall to 19, but it is likely that RR is one of those that doesn't want his off field baggage

EdmundDorf 03-29-2021 12:45 PM

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Pitts and Sewell will be gone inside the top 8, too expensive in draft capitol from 19. They aren't likely to slip past 10

Monkeydad 03-29-2021 12:47 PM

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[quote=EdmundDorf;1280411]Heard somewhere that Parsons has off field issues and half of teams have removed him from their draft board as a result. So he may well fall to 19, but it is likely that RR is one of those that doesn't want his off field baggage[/quote]

Some local PA news stories...

2018 fight with teammate -
[url]https://www.abc27.com/sports/former-penn-state-player-details-fight-with-micah-parsons-claims-james-franklin-told-him-not-to-talk-to-police-according-to-espn/[/url]

2016 suspended from his high school for inciting a riot, had to change schools
[url]https://www.pennlive.com/pennstatefootball/2016/10/penn_state_commit_micah_parson_3.html[/url]

Chief X_Phackter 03-29-2021 12:48 PM

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[quote=Monkeydad;1280408]Also - [url]https://goducks.com/sports/football/roster/penei-sewell/8509[/url][/quote]

I like it, but I think you would have to move up to #4 or #5 to get him. That's too much considering how deep the draft is in OTs.

Parsons [I]may[/I] fall a little further - to the 9-15 range in many mocks.


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