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Originally Posted by The Goat

Very tough to see any quantifiable improvement. Still very little depth, pretty terrible drafting record overall. I would even say Mikes done a worse job managing the roster/team assets than he previous couple predecessors. So you're stuck with esoteric things like culture as improvements, but that's hard to buy into because team discipline sucks and preparedness sucks.

I have no doubt Mike and Kyle talk a good game with the insiders. But what specifically is improved with respect to the team?? Would Vinny not have been able to pull off the RG trade for example? And as part of the comparison we have to acknowledge the defense would be better with basically any other coaching/mgmt in place here...

This conversation, as most with you, will go in circles. So let's just move on