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Originally Posted by skinsfan69
No way in hell would I would take Brady Quinn number one, or number two for that matter. I think he is 2nd round talent When I look at him as an overall QB, I don't see Peyton Manning, I don't see Carson Palmer, I don't see Tom Brady and I don't see Troy Aikman. I see an average to above average starting NFL QB. No more no less. I think many of the guys like Leak, Smith,Kolb and Drew Stanton could be just is good as Brady Quinn if they played in the same offense that he did. And that's no knocking Quinn cause all those guys are very good college QB's.
I could see Russell being as good as McNabb, which is really really good and a chance to be great. His arm is the best I've seen in a long long time. And that is why he is going to go #1. People see his overall potential.
But I will be the first to admit I'm not draft expert. All we can do is wait it out and see. Let's review this thread a year from now.
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I agree 100%, if anyone is overated it is Quinn. Going into 2006 season Quinn was the Heisman favorite and a media darling at golden ND. A QB named "Brady" with Patriots Tom Brady's QB coach as his Head Coach. Alot was expected of Quinn and ND and it did not turn out well.
I think alot of this Russell/Quinn debate is heightened by the fact that ND/Quinn is on national TV every weekend beating weak teams like northeastern. When the time came to play the top teams Quinn did not shine and thus lost the Heisman.
Russell is in much tougher SEC. they were not on National TV very often and not many people saw him on a rregular basis.
This the same situation that happened last year with Vince Young/Matt Leinart. Leinart was on national TV all the time being on the multi-national champion USC. Leinart is a classic drop back, pocket passer that ran a pro system at USC for a former NFL head coach. USC played in the far inferior PAC 10.
Vince Young played in a college style offense, is an unconventional scarmbling option qb that also threw the ball well, but made his living running the ball as a QB. Texas was not on national TV all that much and Vince was not a big media darling until after they USC, even though they beat OSU in Ohio. Texas plays in the much tougher Big 12 than the pass happy PAC 10.
GTripp0012-
You talk about the repeated mistakes NFL front office make on players year after year. I agree and this is one of them. NFL teams blow it each year because of their insistance on certain criteria for players.
Like:
1) QB's have to be to be tall pocket passers. Says who? Eddie LaBaron, Fran Tarkenton, Steve Young were all scrambling, not very tall and had Hall of Fame careers.
2) Rb's and WR's have to run sub 4.5 in the 40. Emmit Smith ran a 4.6 and dropped to the bottom half of the first round. There is a long lst of WR's that did not have lightnening speed and had long/great careers. Art Monk comes to mind.
ETC. ETC
I could go on position by position about the stupid measurements the NFL team measure college player. What happened to the good old fashioned watching film and draft a good "FOOTBALL PLAYER" and not a combine work out freak.