[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by jsarno

Not really sure what you're getting at here, I know you weren't talking to me with this comment, but it could easily apply to me. If you followed the threads you would know that I was a QB in college, and played several sports at a high level.
Honestly, all the people that ride VY's jock gets frustrating cause he's the worst QB in the league that has a solid starting job. He didn't deserve the ROY last year, but SEVERAL people here think he's amazing, and he's not. Stats don't always show everything, you're right, but in this case, it is proving a very good point.
Last year he played in 15 games and his team went 8-7 in those games. It's not like he beat amazing opponants either (something the "stats" don't show). He beat the Skins, Bills, Texans twice, Jags, Giants, Eagles, and Colts. They had a combined record of 62-66. This year, they have beat the Jags, Saints and Falcons who have a combined record of 6-9. Again I must say, they would have lost to the Jags had it not been for an injury to Scobee and not being able to kick the field goal in the red zone TWICE. But still...the past two seasons, their wins came from teams that have a combined 68-75 record. Not very impressive. People say "count the important stats...count the wins." OK, they won't make the playoffs this year with a GREAT D, (if VY plays anyway) and they didn't make the playoffs last year. People here dismiss Marino as the one of the best because he never won the big one, well Vince hasn't even made the playoffs.
I know he's only in his second season, and if you look at his stats, you have to recognize that there aren't many QB's (if any) that have worse stats than he does. Can VY become a good QB...sure...if he learns (like McNabb for instance) that being a pocket passer is what it's all about and use your legs as a last resort. (like Campbell and Steve Young later in his career as well) Right now he's on a horrible path. His passing skills are some of the worst, if not overall worst in all the league, yet people still talk about him like he's a top 5 QB. That's wrong. He's a bottom 5 QB at best, and will do so until he feels like proving otherwise.

Jsarno I respect your opinion on VY. He needs to get better. No question about it. The media does hype him up a bit. But part of that is what he did in college and part of that is what he did with a below average NFL offense last year.

But here is my problem. I can't stand it when people say that he played against bad teams. That the teams he played had a losing record. Sorry but that's a bunch of BS. I have news for you. It's the NFL. Anyone can beat anyone and that's why it's such a great league. NO sucks this year and beat Seattle at home. Buff should have beaten Dallas last week w/ a rookie QB. That's the NFL.

The Texans had a good defense for most of last year. The Colts, Eagles and Giants were all playoff teams. They beat us at home. The Titans beat all those teams. Any win on the road with a rookie Qb is impressive. That is a tough thing to do in the NFL. So how about giving the guy a little credit for that. And saying things like the only reason they beat the Jags is because the kicker got hurt is just silly. It's almost like your trying to find reasons to prove your point.