Analyzing Mike Shanahan at the Midway Point

[SmootSmack]

Good read

Thumbs up, or thumbs down? Analyzing Mike Shanahan at the midway point - @TBD Skins | TBD.com

[Player_HTTR]

Very good read. Not much to disagree with IMO.

[GhettoDogAllStars]

This pretty much sums it up for me:

"There are games that they wouldn’t have won had it not been for Shanahan’s leadership, but there are also games that they lost that they had no business losing, indicating that this still is very much a work in progress."

[SFREDSKIN]

My question is: We have to give up 2 conditional picks to the Eagles and Saints for McNabb and Brown, neither has performed as the 3rd rounder that those teams will awarded, if anything they've performed like 4th rounders or less. Who gets the 3rd rounder Eagles or Saints?

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

My question is: We have to give up 2 conditional picks to the Eagles and Saints for McNabb and Brown, neither has performed as the 3rd rounder that those teams will awarded, if anything they've performed like 4th rounders or less. Who gets the 3rd rounder Eagles or Saints?

If I remember right, the Redskins have to do one of the following: win 9 games or make the playoffs and Philly gets the 3rd rounder and the Saints get the 4th rounder. If neither happens, it's reversed

If the Saints get the 4th pick I believe we get a 6th from them, if they get the 3rd we get a 5th.

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

If I remember right, the Redskins have to do one of the following: win 9 games or make the playoffs and Philly gets the 3rd rounder and the Saints get the 4th rounder. If neither happens, it's reversed

If the Saints get the 4th pick I believe we get a 6th from them, if they get the 3rd we get a 5th.

Thanks.

[Longtimefan]

Good read SS, lengthly and contains a great deal of basic knowledge of which we're all familiar, but decent to read nonetheless.

I'm going to proceed with caution on Shanahan mainly because of the position he's in as HC and personell decision maker. It's a difficult role to fill and the results can only be determined over time. His time in office has been too short to identify him with any degree of clarity.

I'm still waiting to see something that vastly distinguishes him and seperates him from the rest of pack. We've won a couple of games this year that had nothing to do with coaching, but more to do with commonplace occurances that take place during the course of many football games.

Don't get me wrong, I believe in giving credit where it's due, but a player picking up a fumble, returning it for a touchdown to win a game, or the F/G kicker for the opposition missing [by inches] a FG with 3 sec. left in regulation play dosen't have anything to do with good or bad coaching.

[SFREDSKIN]

Ex-NFL QB Jake Plummer is playing a new sport these days - Shutdown Corner - NFL - Yahoo! Sports

This is what Jake Plummer had to say about Shanahan:

The grind of playing for an uber-perfectionist like Shanahan wore on Plummer during his time in the Rockies.

"I had a coach that, regardless of how well I thought I was playing or how well the majority of fans across the country thought I was playing, it was never good enough for him," Plummer said, not bitter but very matter-of-fact. "And that kind of gets frustrating."

"It just seemed like every game I could have completed these four more passes or these five more shots here and it would have been perfect. And that just wasn't my personality... But Shanahan wanted perfection and he wore a lot of us down there."

Plummer didn't sound surprised by the current circus unfolding in Washington, D.C., between Shanahan and Redskins quarterback Donovan McNabb(notes).

"I think Shanahan is still searching for John Elway," Plummer said. "Somehow, someway, he thinks there's going to be another guy like John Elway."

"He coached a team to almost perfection (with Elway) so he wanted that again, he wanted that every time we went out there. It's just not realistic."

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

Ex-NFL QB Jake Plummer is playing a new sport these days - Shutdown Corner - NFL* - Yahoo! Sports

This is what Jake Plummer had to say about Shanahan:

The grind of playing for an uber-perfectionist like Shanahan wore on Plummer during his time in the Rockies.

"I had a coach that, regardless of how well I thought I was playing or how well the majority of fans across the country thought I was playing, it was never good enough for him," Plummer said, not bitter but very matter-of-fact. "And that kind of gets frustrating."

"It just seemed like every game I could have completed these four more passes or these five more shots here and it would have been perfect. And that just wasn't my personality... But Shanahan wanted perfection and he wore a lot of us down there."

Plummer didn't sound surprised by the current circus unfolding in Washington, D.C., between Shanahan and Redskins quarterback Donovan McNabb(notes).

"I think Shanahan is still searching for John Elway," Plummer said. "Somehow, someway, he thinks there's going to be another guy like John Elway."

"He coached a team to almost perfection (with Elway) so he wanted that again, he wanted that every time we went out there. It's just not realistic."

MS is the leader any leader who wants less then perfection is wasting their time.

When I worked for Marriott in the Revenue office our director was just like MS always want the best and demand it. I never slacked in fear of her wrath, guess what though the year I worked for her I had my highest quarterly bonus and won a bunch of awards.

I just looked for other places for praise like my immediate manager or my co-workers I just knew she never be happy and that was her game to get the most out of you.

[hagams]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

Ex-NFL QB Jake Plummer is playing a new sport these days - Shutdown Corner - NFL* - Yahoo! Sports

This is what Jake Plummer had to say about Shanahan:

The grind of playing for an uber-perfectionist like Shanahan wore on Plummer during his time in the Rockies.

"I had a coach that, regardless of how well I thought I was playing or how well the majority of fans across the country thought I was playing, it was never good enough for him," Plummer said, not bitter but very matter-of-fact. "And that kind of gets frustrating."

"It just seemed like every game I could have completed these four more passes or these five more shots here and it would have been perfect. And that just wasn't my personality... But Shanahan wanted perfection and he wore a lot of us down there."

Plummer didn't sound surprised by the current circus unfolding in Washington, D.C., between Shanahan and Redskins quarterback Donovan McNabb(notes).

"I think Shanahan is still searching for John Elway," Plummer said. "Somehow, someway, he thinks there's going to be another guy like John Elway."

"He coached a team to almost perfection (with Elway) so he wanted that again, he wanted that every time we went out there. It's just not realistic."

BooHoo, your a grown man. Why do you need a pat on the back for doing what's your paid to do? As a Marine, I'm always telling my guys/gals "If I accept how you are, I'm failing you. If I push you for more each day, you will improve and be better". Coach is the same way, don't except someone's best. Push them and their best will get better.

[rypper11]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

This is what Jake Plummer had to say about Shanahan:

"It just seemed like every game I could have completed these four more passes or these five more shots here and it would have been perfect. And that just wasn't my personality... But Shanahan wanted perfection and he wore a lot of us down there."

Isn't this what everyone should want? I would never hire someone who didn't want to do his job to perfection and I expect nothing less from myself. Praise, praise poke. We can always do better and should strive to do so.

[skinsnut]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Good read

Thumbs up, or thumbs down? Analyzing Mike Shanahan at the midway point - @TBD Skins | TBD.com

Very good read.

It ends with a pretty speculative comment though.
I just don't understand how he could make such a claim.:cheeky-sm

"Without Shanahan, this team could be 2-6 right now, so although I don’t always get him, I give the coach a thumbs up at the midway point."

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by skinsnut

Very good read.

It ends with a pretty speculative comment though.
I just don't understand how he could make such a claim.:cheeky-sm

"Without Shanahan, this team could be 2-6 right now, so although I don’t always get him, I give the coach a thumbs up at the midway point."

I thought it was Jim Zorn who guided the team to a 6-2 record through the first eight games of his first year here. Finished 2-6 leaving him at 8-8 the same record many have already predicted for this team. Let's wait and see how Shanahan's first year here compares to that of his predecessor. Only a few can honestly say, based on the way these games have been played this year, the end result of any of them is due to any form of genius in coaching. Tbh, some might say it's quite the contrary.

[freddyg12]

I can easily see this team finish 6-10 & w/a lot of drama along the way. Overall though, I think Shanny has taken a big picture view of things & made decisions for the best of the organization long-term. That's something we haven't seen too much of here.

Like Casserly said, he let everyone know who's in charge, that had to be done. Combined w/Allen's fiscal conservatism, there really is change underway. Still, my fear of Shanny is that he thinks too much like Danny. In his time in denver, he was willing to make big deals & go after big name guys. We've already seen this regime trade some valuable draft picks to try to 'win now.' When does "now" arrive?

[skinsfaninok]

Shanny gets a B so far IMO. I do think he will build a legit contender